JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Some women here don't seem to understand why LS guys buy into the 'alpha male' theory and post these endless threads about it, so I think this example will illustrate how females themselves help perpetuate it. Through work, school, and friends I've met many different women of varying races, backgrounds, and personality. White, black, Asian, Latina. Some are quiet and reserved, others are social but conservative, others are party animals, others straight laced sorority type girls. I'm friends with these women so they talk to me about stuff. And one of the things they are NEVER shy to relate to me is the "I'd go out with him" guy. That is when you're talking about something unrelated and trite such as NPR headlines, and all of the sudden the subject shifts to a guy you both know, and she remarks excitedly and unabashedly "I'd go out with Jimmy!" with a glow in her eyes as if someone had just offered her a free Prada bag. Jimmy is always a good looking, not short, pretty suave dude. Jimmy is NEVER the nice, kind of funny, pretty cool, OK looking guy. Ever. And here's the ringer. The woman who says "I'd go out with Jimmy!", it could be any of those types, from the party girl, down to the quiet shy one. Jimmy might not want her and Jimmy often has a girlfriend, but that doesn't stop them from remarking that they would date him. Gals, search yourselves and you will know it to be true. I know not ALL gals want Jimmy but a whole lot do, and so this where guys get the 'alpha' theories from. You're all gonna say, "But guys lust after the very top, hot women just the same." I don't really think that's true.
Mrlonelyone Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 The problem is that there's never just one "Jimmy" and often not all women agree on who the "Jimmy's" are. (Outside of closed campus like environments high school, college, some workplaces). There is a place in the world where every reasonably fit man is a Jimmy.
MrCastle Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 To his credit, Jimmy is pretty hot. Hell, I'd give him a go myself. 8
edgygirl Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 These days I'm thinking Prada bags are better than dates. With anyone. Even with Jimmy. 5
NoMoreJerks Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I never seem to agree with my girl friends as to which guys are hot. We have radically different tastes, all of us. 1
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 The problem is that there's never just one "Jimmy" and often not all women agree on who the "Jimmy's" are. (Outside of closed campus like environments high school, college, some workplaces). There is a place in the world where every reasonably fit man is a Jimmy. Jimmy might be white, Asian, black, or Latino. He might be preppy, jocky, hipster, or glam rock. But he is always a good looking top guy. I have NEVER heard a woman remark "I'd go out with [ok looking, kind of dorky, really funny guy]" even if she eventually does. I'm just trying to explain where the 'alpha' theory comes from. 2
MrCastle Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 These days I'm thinking Prada bags are better than dates. With anyone. Even with Jimmy. That's because you haven't been with this Jimmy. 2
edgygirl Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I have NEVER heard a woman remark "I'd go out with [ok looking, kind of dorky, really funny guy]" even if she eventually does. I've seen. MANY girls say it. Before you ask it, yes, good looking girls.
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 I never seem to agree with my girl friends as to which guys are hot. We have radically different tastes, all of us. OK. This ALWAYS the reply given. So here's my retort. Me and my friends can never agree on who the best quarterback in the NFL is. But they are all the same 5 group of guys in the discussion. All at the TOP. Maybe a few from the Top 8 here and there. But it will never be the quarterbacks from the middle and bottom. 4
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I've known a few Jimmy's in my short time on Earth. They didn't strike it lucky with every girl, but they got a lot of attention. What I learned from them is how comfortable they are, how at ease they are with themselves. As an autistic person, let me tell you, it's extremely difficult to be comfortable socially if it's not an innate gift. I was far more comfortable on stage than I ever was in the company of women - until not too long ago. You could call my brother a "Jimmy", except that he's short, balding, and a bit of a rogue. Still, women of all ages (and heights ) seem to like him. The Eddie Murphy adage of "pussy falling out my pockets" could apply to my brother. In fact, all of them are pretty successful. I know so many guys who are relatively successful with all kinds of women. I do know some simps, and only a couple who have never had a GF. I was the only known virgin in my circle until last year. Regarding girls, of the ones I've known, their tastes vary so ridiculously that I don't even know exactly what the majority of them want half the time. It's so funny to come here and see the Alpha argument, because it's like something I only see in limited circles and on TV. I know short, ugly, lame ass dudes who get laid all the time. I've been called a good looking guy more times than I can count, mostly in very recent times, and it took me AGES to finally "get my lengs in" as my friends put it . In my experience, it's not been as black and white as I read it on the internet, which is why my POV seems so odd to all you guys. It doesn't mean I'm a "white knight" , it means I've seen and experienced things differently. 2
carhill Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 The best line I ever heard was 'If I wasn't married, I'd fµck that'. Wait for it.... ExW. IME, the line the OP relates was heard far more often by myself from married women than single women, perhaps underscoring two things, one being married women knew how in demand they were around here and two simply because there were so few single women to listen to. And, yeah, the 'guys' were generally young and easy on the eyes. I saw nothing extraordinary about that. As the ladies used to say, 'I'm married, not dead'
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 I've seen. MANY girls say it. Before you ask it, yes, good looking girls. I haven't. Like I said, they may eventually date, even marry those guys, but they will never get all in a huff and excited about them.
NoMoreJerks Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 OK. This ALWAYS the reply given. So here's my retort. Me and my friends can never agree on who the best quarterback in the NFL is. But they are all the same 5 group of guys in the discussion. All at the TOP. Maybe a few from the Top 8 here and there. But it will never be the quarterbacks from the middle and bottom. Actually, no -- like I said, we have RADICALLY different opinions on who's hot and who's not. Some guy over whom my friend might drool, not only does not turn me on, but in fact, turns me off / I would never date him. And vice versa.... I have also been attracted to men who are not the typical great-looking alpha male.... Even my own tastes can vary by the time of the month (hormones? ).....
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) There is such a thing as an alpha male. How can people deny this? Is it not obvious to see that there are guys that are more desirable? There are guys wanted by only one woman and there are guys wanted by 1' date='000 women. Why is this so hard to understand?[/quote'] It's not hard to understand, it's just so exaggerated that it makes me laugh so much that people put such stock in it . I've had the Alpha Male conversation ever since I was a teen - it's boring now, there are quite a few Alpha dudes walking around, I can see them. The problem is that everyone thinks they are the same old stereotypically "top-tier" guys - they aren't always those guys. The Alpha/Beta stuff is a lot more complex than people actually understand. Furthermore, dudes need to stop crying about the Alpha Male and Beta Men. If you want certain character traits to complement who you are, work hard to acquire them. Edited January 9, 2013 by ThaWholigan 3
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 You could call my brother a "Jimmy", except that he's short, balding, and a bit of a rogue. Still, women of all ages (and heights ) seem to like him. The Eddie Murphy adage of "pussy falling out my pockets" could apply to my brother. In fact, all of them are pretty successful. In some VERY rare exceptional instances, a short, unattractive guy may be able to elevate himself to alpha male status, in which case, yes he'll be 'Jimmy'. But really, you're just proving my point. All girls want the same guys. 1
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 In some VERY rare exceptional instances, a short, unattractive guy may be able to elevate himself to alpha male status, in which case, yes he'll be 'Jimmy'. But really, you're just proving my point. All girls want the same guys. I disagree - I don't think women all want the same guys. I personally think that the day I started to believe that women all wanted different guys is the day I started to get somewhere with women. I felt better, I carried myself better. I was bolder with women, and all sorts. Girls may have liked me or been intrigued by me before, but now I have more attention. Because I didn't go around thinking it's rare that women will ever like me or some stupid sh*t. Really, I feel sorry for you guys, because I personally believe that you are the ones who make your own problems when it comes to attracting women. Just like I was. I keep trying to show you that looking at things the way you look at it may be getting in your way, and I keep hearing the same things. I have women friends too, and they don't all like the same guys. There are guys who are more popular than others, but generally EVERY GUY I KNOW (bar a very small handful) is good with women. 4
edgygirl Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 In some VERY rare exceptional instances, a short, unattractive guy may be able to elevate himself to alpha male status, in which case, yes he'll be 'Jimmy'. But really, you're just proving my point. All girls want the same guys. Yeah sure that's why only Jimmys get married or have relationships. You're saying all the other guys die alone? Come on... Btw, isn't this thread the same as the one that was already pinned? 2
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Yeah sure that's why only Jimmys get married or have relationships. You're saying all the other guys die alone? Come on... Btw, isn't this thread the same as the one that was already pinned? Pretty much - just trying to drive home the point of "why it's so incredibly hard on us that girls don't like us". It is the same thread. I feel like I should make a really long one outlining exactly how these things can be overcome - it's just that every time I've done that, nobody listens. Like, I'm trying to help, by not perpetuating these limiting beliefs. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 desirable? There are guys wanted by only one woman and there are guys wanted by 1' date='000 women. [/quote'] And there are women who are universally desired and many who can barely get a date. It's hard to be the unwanted ones whether you are a man or a woman. Is that the point you are trying to make? 1
Author JuneJulySeptember Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 Yeah sure that's why only Jimmys get married or have relationships. You're saying all the other guys die alone? Come on... Btw, isn't this thread the same as the one that was already pinned? I already answered this in post 13. And there are women who are universally desired and many who can barely get a date. It's hard to be the unwanted ones whether you are a man or a woman. Is that the point you are trying to make? No. It's different. I used to work with this gal who was chubby, had bad acne and scars, and generally no social couth, though deep down she was a nice gal. When we went out for a work happy hour, one of my male coworkers brought his male friend. He was a decent looking tall guy. He declared her hot and started chasing her all night. Good looking guys think average and mediocre women (both in status and looks) are hot ALL the time. A good looking girl will never think a mediocre looking guy is hot off the bat. 1
todreaminblue Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Some women here don't seem to understand why LS guys buy into the 'alpha male' theory and post these endless threads about it, so I think this example will illustrate how females themselves help perpetuate it. Through work, school, and friends I've met many different women of varying races, backgrounds, and personality. White, black, Asian, Latina. Some are quiet and reserved, others are social but conservative, others are party animals, others straight laced sorority type girls. I'm friends with these women so they talk to me about stuff. And one of the things they are NEVER shy to relate to me is the "I'd go out with him" guy. That is when you're talking about something unrelated and trite such as NPR headlines, and all of the sudden the subject shifts to a guy you both know, and she remarks excitedly and unabashedly "I'd go out with Jimmy!" with a glow in her eyes as if someone had just offered her a free Prada bag. Jimmy is always a good looking, not short, pretty suave dude. Jimmy is NEVER the nice, kind of funny, pretty cool, OK looking guy. Ever. And here's the ringer. The woman who says "I'd go out with Jimmy!", it could be any of those types, from the party girl, down to the quiet shy one. Jimmy might not want her and Jimmy often has a girlfriend, but that doesn't stop them from remarking that they would date him. Gals, search yourselves and you will know it to be true. I know not ALL gals want Jimmy but a whole lot do, and so this where guys get the 'alpha' theories from. You're all gonna say, "But guys lust after the very top, hot women just the same." I don't really think that's true. Not all women are attracted to jimmy.......is he wearing a white shirt or white singlet?
ThaWholigan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 . Good looking guys think average and mediocre women (both in status and looks) are hot ALL the time. A good looking girl will never think a mediocre looking guy is hot off the bat. Oh man, you would be surprised I have some stories to tell you guys it seems 4
suladas Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I already answered this in post 13. No. It's different. I used to work with this gal who was chubby, had bad acne and scars, and generally no social couth, though deep down she was a nice gal. When we went out for a work happy hour, one of my male coworkers brought his male friend. He was a decent looking tall guy. He declared her hot and started chasing her all night. Good looking guys think average and mediocre women (both in status and looks) are hot ALL the time. A good looking girl will never think a mediocre looking guy is hot off the bat. Really? Then I must not be mediocre in looks then..... Because i've had it happen to me. Granted it hasn't happened to me many times, it has happened. 1
edgygirl Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I haven't. Like I said, they may eventually date, even marry those guys, but they will never get all in a huff and excited about them. you use a lot of "never" I. A good looking girl will never think a mediocre looking guy is hot off the bat. you use a lot of "never" II. . I honestly think you should revise your black and white life philosophy. How old are you OP? Again, I've seen many hot and interesting girls get all hot by non typical attractive males specially in college and after. Ahhh I'm sick of these threads over and over about the same thing. Sorry. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I already answered this in post 13. No. It's different. I used to work with this gal who was chubby, had bad acne and scars, and generally no social couth, though deep down she was a nice gal. When we went out for a work happy hour, one of my male coworkers brought his male friend. He was a decent looking tall guy. He declared her hot and started chasing her all night. Good looking guys think average and mediocre women (both in status and looks) are hot ALL the time. A good looking girl will never think a mediocre looking guy is hot off the bat. You should see my brother and his wife … and my sister with her husband, for that matter.
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