monicaelise Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 While i appreciate your emphasis on the correct use of English, may i remind you that there are users from as many as 200 nations here. Users who had to learn English, and not all of them have a certificate in it. Also, everything turns into anything. Nothing is lost. Conservation of mass and energy. Law of Conservation of Mass Energy No, you may not remind me. I've already explained why this particular error was so annoying. Feel free to go ahead and read the other posts regarding this matter if you deem it necessary to pursue the issue further. Also, I'm quite familiar with M. Lavoisier's little law, as totally inapplicable as it is here. You cannot "convert" one type of tissue into another within the same organism during the normal course of said organism's lifetime. The OP has to build more lean mass, and lose fat. He cannot turn his fat into muscle. Just doesn't happen. I'd have better luck turning water into wine. Anywhooo, back to you Mr. Necromancer... You're definitely carrying extra baggage if you're not on the sauce. A year-and-a-half total training time isn't actually very long. My recommendation is to work on the big lifts, the squat and the deadlift. Your bench is lovely, very nice for a boy your age. Keep that up, but add the other two into the rotation and make them your focus for a while. At your height, neither the squat or the deadlift should cause you any difficulty in terms of the physics so, if you haven't been doing them, toss 135 on, and find someone in your gym who can check your form. Once you've got a handle on the form, work on going heavier. Ideally your squat and deadlift should be heavier than your bench, there are far more large muscles involved in these lifts...quads, hammies, glutes, back and abs. Aim for 12-15 reps x 3 sets, minimum. Add reps before adding more weight if you want to unload your jelly. Keep your heart pumping. You might want to add a little cardiovascular work to your routine as well. If you're not warming up thoroughly before you lift, take the time to. That will add 10-20 min of cardio to your workout. On the days when you don't work legs, tack on another 30 min after you lift, when your glycogen stores are depleted. You'll whittle that middle in no time.
IndianBabu Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 At your height, neither the squat or the deadlift should cause you any difficulty in terms of the physics so, if you haven't been doing them, toss 135 on, and find someone in your gym who can check your form. Once you've got a handle on the form, work on going heavier. Ideally your squat and deadlift should be heavier than your bench, there are far more large muscles involved in these lifts...quads, hammies, glutes, back and abs. Aim for 12-15 reps x 3 sets, minimum. Add reps before adding more weight if you want to unload your jelly. Keep your heart pumping. You might want to add a little cardiovascular work to your routine as well. If you're not warming up thoroughly before you lift, take the time to. That will add 10-20 min of cardio to your workout. On the days when you don't work legs, tack on another 30 min after you lift, when your glycogen stores are depleted. You'll whittle that middle in no time. In terms of squats, it isn't very beneficial to stay at a light weight (13-15 reps). Your goal is to build mass (muscle). I would suggest something like a pyramid. 15 reps at 135, 12@185, 10@205, then repeat around 3-4 sets at say 255 for 5-6 reps each (just as an example) and then burn out with quick 20 reps @ 135. Your legs should feel like jello after this. Cardio (and more importantly a proper diet) is how you lose the extra flab. 30 minutes 3x a week should be more than enough. I think people sometimes underestimate the value of a proper diet and supplements (not steroids, natural supplements like protein that promote muscle recovery). Goodluck.
Els Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I really don't know how anyone can answer you without a picture. No, sorry, not hitting on you, but it's true. A 5'1" 130 lbs woman could look like Beyonce or Scarlett Johanssen, or she might have a 32-inch waist. The same goes for a man. Can't help ya without knowing.
Harradin Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I'm 6'1 and weigh in at 184lbs, looking at the past posts, people my height seem to be a lot heavier, considering I am muscular, a bit confused as I thought I was pretty heavy for my height! Haha. I'm 20 if that helps but wow haha. But on the subject, most women tell me that they like tall guys.
Lonely Ronin Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 In terms of squats, it isn't very beneficial to stay at a light weight (13-15 reps). Your goal is to build mass (muscle). I would suggest something like a pyramid. 15 reps at 135, 12@185, 10@205, then repeat around 3-4 sets at say 255 for 5-6 reps each (just as an example) and then burn out with quick 20 reps @ 135. all that normally does is build a crap ton of bulk. women usually find bulk unattractive and it's usually goes to flab really quick if you stop working out. the best workout I've ever done is the following. 3 to 6 sets, of 12 to 15 reps with 30 to 120 seconds between sets. you start out at 3 sets, when you can do that comfortably then you go to 4 then 5 then 6. when you can do 6 sets comfortably then you drop back down to 3 and up the weight. how much time between sets depends on how good your cardiovascular system is. the above, builds high muscle density, and a little bulk. the kids usually don't like this program though, because they can't talk about big numbers. 1
fredchurch Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 im 5ft 11 inch 200 pounds. looks like im in trouble though my dodcor told me im in excellent shape.
kiss_andmakeup Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I'm having trouble picturing a man being 5'10 and 200lbs who isn't (a) extremely muscular (not a fan), or (b) significantly overweight (also not a fan). So I suppose that means that yes, 5'10" and 200lbs would probably be too big for me. Everyone carries their weight differently though, I suppose. My ex was 6'4" and 210ish and had what I consider to be my ideal body for a male. Not skinny, not bulky. Just lean with some muscle tone in the arms/shoulders/chest.
MrNate 2.0 Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) My penis size is... Oh wait, its not about that lol.. I'm 5 11". 6 11" including my penis. Edited December 31, 2012 by MrNate 2.0 3
Radu Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I'm having trouble picturing a man being 5'10 and 200lbs who isn't (a) extremely muscular (not a fan), or (b) significantly overweight (also not a fan). So I suppose that means that yes, 5'10" and 200lbs would probably be too big for me. Everyone carries their weight differently though, I suppose. My ex was 6'4" and 210ish and had what I consider to be my ideal body for a male. Not skinny, not bulky. Just lean with some muscle tone in the arms/shoulders/chest. Think rugby player type build.
TheFinalWord Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I started to lift at 15 worked out for over 2 years, took 6 month break and started again 4 months ago. I am putting 225 lbs x 12 on the bench. That's a solid bench for your age. Like I said, don't lift b/c of women. Do it for yourself. From my experience, there's a correlation between women that don't like muscular guys and women that don't exercise/eat healthy. I've dated both. The girl that didn't like health was always complaining about me going to the gym and eating healthy. The woman that was into it, actually motivated me. We had similar goals and it was a great dynamic. If health is a passion of yours, you don't want to be with a woman who cares nothing about it. Health is a lifestyle, not just a 1 hour gym session. If weight lifting and being healthy is a passion for you, it's a good red flag for you if a woman says you are too muscular. With that said, if you're obsessive or taking juice that is another ball game. But if you're a guy that has health-related goals and are serious, you'll want a woman that is like minded. Dude's Wife / Girlfriend Doesn't Let Him Go to the GYM !!!! - YouTube 1
iris219 Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 From my experience, there's a correlation between women that don't like muscular guys and women that don't exercise/eat healthy. [/url] What?! I've never in my life noticed this. I'm a healthy lifestyle aficionado. I could hold seminars on healthy eating and I work out regularly. I'm lean and very toned. I don't dig muscular guys at all.
TheZebra Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 From my experience, there's a correlation between women that don't like muscular guys and women that don't exercise/eat healthy. Ehhh, weak correlation. I exercise daily and try to eat healthy but I don't like a muscular guy. I don't think I'd like a muscular guy regardless of my lifestyle. I'm just not attracted to it; it doesn't do anything for me. On the opposite side of the spectrum I know plenty of girlfriends of mine who love bulky guys yet they gorge down KFC like water. A woman that doesn't have a healthy lifestyle is not a good match for you because your tastes and goals are ultimately different.
TheFinalWord Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 What?! I've never in my life noticed this. I'm a healthy lifestyle aficionado. I could hold seminars on healthy eating and I work out regularly. I'm lean and very toned. I don't dig muscular guys at all. There's exceptions to every rule. I'm also giving my personal experiences. So please don't get angry For one, a guy that isn't taking juice can only get so muscular. It will be his genetic maximum and will "fit" his body type as it is his natural genetics. If a woman is turned off by a guy that wants to reach for his genetic maximum, than that is her preference. But I wouldn't fault a guy that wants to achieve such a goal. It's a interesting goal to have; to test the limits of your body. It also often translates to learning how to set goals and push through barriers in other areas of life.
TheFinalWord Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 Ehhh, weak correlation. I exercise daily and try to eat healthy but I don't like a muscular guy. I don't think I'd like a muscular guy regardless of my lifestyle. I'm just not attracted to it; it doesn't do anything for me. On the opposite side of the spectrum I know plenty of girlfriends of mine who love bulky guys yet they gorge down KFC like water. A woman that doesn't have a healthy lifestyle is not a good match for you because your tastes and goals are ultimately different. I'm giving my personal experiences. That's your preference. No problem.
Lonely Ronin Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 But I wouldn't fault a guy that wants to achieve such a goal. It's a interesting goal to have; to test the limits of your body. It also often translates to learning how to set goals and push through barriers in other areas of life. Citius, Altius, Fortius 1
TheFinalWord Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 Ehhh, weak correlation. I exercise daily and try to eat healthy but I don't like a muscular guy. I don't think I'd like a muscular guy regardless of my lifestyle. I'm just not attracted to it; it doesn't do anything for me. On the opposite side of the spectrum I know plenty of girlfriends of mine who love bulky guys yet they gorge down KFC like water. A woman that doesn't have a healthy lifestyle is not a good match for you because your tastes and goals are ultimately different. I probably should have said, have a relationship with. Pure aesthetics, yes, many women that don't work out like the look of a muscular guy. I mean most male strippers aren't rail thin or obese But to care nothing about health and be in a relationship with a man committed to health-related goals...I don't know. It's never worked for me. Both girls always complained. But there are exceptions to everything
iris219 Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 There's exceptions to every rule. I'm also giving my personal experiences. So please don't get angry For one, a guy that isn't taking juice can only get so muscular. It will be his genetic maximum and will "fit" his body type as it is his natural genetics. If a woman is turned off by a guy that wants to reach for his genetic maximum, than that is her preference. But I wouldn't fault a guy that wants to achieve such a goal. It's a interesting goal to have; to test the limits of your body. It also often translates to learning how to set goals and push through barriers in other areas of life. I'm wasn't angry, just surprised. Maybe we different definitions of what muscular means. I like who are fit and toned. I also like guys who are thin. I'm not attracted to guys who are jacked.
TheFinalWord Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I'm wasn't angry, just surprised. Maybe we different definitions of what muscular means. I like who are fit and toned. I also like guys who are thin. I'm not attracted to guys who are jacked. Probably I agree, as I told OP, being muscular won't give you any leverage over other guys when it comes to dating. It's gotta be for yourself. Edited December 31, 2012 by TheFinalWord
IndianBabu Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) all that normally does is build a crap ton of bulk. women usually find bulk unattractive and it's usually goes to flab really quick if you stop working out. the best workout I've ever done is the following. 3 to 6 sets, of 12 to 15 reps with 30 to 120 seconds between sets. you start out at 3 sets, when you can do that comfortably then you go to 4 then 5 then 6. when you can do 6 sets comfortably then you drop back down to 3 and up the weight. how much time between sets depends on how good your cardiovascular system is. the above, builds high muscle density, and a little bulk. the kids usually don't like this program though, because they can't talk about big numbers. I beg to differ. I am 5'9", I weigh 160lbs. I am muscular, but not bulky. Most importantly, I dont do it to impress women. I do it to stay fit. Being active is something I enjoy doing. Also, muscle does not turn into 'flab' if you stop working out. You will atrophy, but you wont end up fatter than you were before, all other variables (diet) kept the same. The program you mentioned above is better suited to getting toned, it is not very efficient at increasing muscle density. Edited January 1, 2013 by IndianBabu
Lonely Ronin Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Also, muscle does not turn into 'flab' if you stop working out. You will atrophy, but you wont end up fatter than you were before, all other variables (diet) kept the same. I wasn't referring to fat, I was referring to how Arnold looks now for example. Now that he is older and not working out nearly as much every thing is slacker for lack of a better term.
monicaelise Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) I beg to differ. I am 5'9", I weigh 160lbs. I am muscular, but not bulky. Most importantly, I dont do it to impress women. I do it to stay fit. Being active is something I enjoy doing. Also, muscle does not turn into 'flab' if you stop working out. You will atrophy, but you wont end up fatter than you were before, all other variables (diet) kept the same. The program you mentioned above is better suited to getting toned, it is not very efficient at increasing muscle density. This is wrong. When you stop training, your muscles do atrophy. This means there will be an overall decrease in lean mass and, as a result, a lower metabolic rate all around. Additionally, the calorie deficit created through exercise (both at the time you exercise and for the 12-24 hours following a weight training session while your resting metabolic rate is elevated) is no longer there. Therefore, if you keep all the other variables (diet) the same, you will gain fat. This is the real reason so many former bodybuilders go to hell. You absolutely cannot maintain the same lifestyle you had while training once you stop. When I'm training hard I eat between 2500 and 3000 calories a day. If I tried to do that right now, while I'm not allowed to use my upper body to lift anything heavier than ten lbs, I'd be a total lardass by the time I got back into the gym. Everything has to be adjusted when you change your training routine. Edited January 1, 2013 by monicaelise
IndianBabu Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 This is wrong. When you stop training, your muscles do atrophy. This means there will be an overall decrease in lean mass and, as a result, a lower metabolic rate all around. Additionally, the calorie deficit created through exercise (both at the time you exercise and for the 12-24 hours following a weight training session while your resting metabolic rate is elevated) is no longer there. Therefore, if you keep all the other variables (diet) the same, you will gain fat. This is the real reason so many former bodybuilders go to hell. You absolutely cannot maintain the same lifestyle you had while training once you stop. When I'm training hard I eat between 2500 and 3000 calories a day. If I tried to do that right now, while I'm not allowed to use my upper body to lift anything heavier than ten lbs, I'd be a total lardass by the time I got back into the gym. Everything has to be adjusted when you change your training routine. You are right. In my head it made more sense, but what I meant by "all other variables kept the same" is that when you stop training, you would proportionally decrease your caloric intake as well....almost like balancing a chemical equation. haha Forgive my non-lucid train of thought, it made much more sense in my head than in my post. I've been on call for 28 hours. Cheers to a speedy recovery! 1
monicaelise Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 You are right. In my head it made more sense, but what I meant by "all other variables kept the same" is that when you stop training, you would proportionally decrease your caloric intake as well....almost like balancing a chemical equation. haha Forgive my non-lucid train of thought, it made much more sense in my head than in my post. I've been on call for 28 hours. Cheers to a speedy recovery! Thanks.
TheFinalWord Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 If I tried to do that right now, while I'm not allowed to use my upper body to lift anything heavier than ten lbs, I'd be a total lardass by the time I got back into the gym. Everything has to be adjusted when you change your training routine. I'm sorry to hear that! I wish you good health in 2013! I know how brutal it is to not be able to lift due to a health set back. Good advice you've given in this thread BTW
monicaelise Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 I'm sorry to hear that! I wish you good health in 2013! I know how brutal it is to not be able to lift due to a health set back. Good advice you've given in this thread BTW Thank you. I'll be back in there as soon as I get the green light. In the meantime, I'll be keeping an eye on your posts for new ideas and inspiration.
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