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[edgygirl]

Well, yes that is what I was referring to. Meanwhile, I'd like to know WHO bashed women over 25. Name some names because I didn't see any such posts. I think you women are merely projecting to be honest.

 

Naming names from other threads is against the forum rules if you don't know it. Everyone here knows this is the case - including many men in the board (so no, we "women" are not projecting!). You know it is not only women saying it. So, please search the board because I am not going to do it.

[edgygirl]

Since I started this side tangent i feel coupled to respond to this.

 

 

 

Women are not the only ones who have a best buy date. Several studies have shown the men have a best buy date as well, it just happens to be later. Some studies have even suggested that if a man waits to long, he had a better chance of negatively affecting the child than a woman does.

 

True. That age last time I checked is... 40! For men! So while not common, men after 40 also have an increased chance of passing genetic diseases, as opposed to what was believed previously. Here's one of the articles in the NY Times:

 

The Biological Clock, Ticking for Men Too - NYTimes.com

 

I guess we women should also go for the 25 yo guys, hm? A "better deal"! Hmm, thanks but no thanks. I prefer to be with someone emotionally compatible with me than to have a baby. I can always adopt or go to a sperm bank. Apparently being with someone emotionally compatible is not the main interest of men who bash women over 25.

 

I did not say, imply or even hint at that most women do this. Nor did I say she was trying to catch me to lock me down. With the woman I specifically referred to everything about our interactions after a certain point indicated she wanted to have children as soon as possible, and didn't seem to care so much who it happened with as long as it happened.

 

Thanks LR. I did understand this by your previous posts. I think I was talking about the concept of a woman doing this, not necessarily your specific situation after you explained what happened. I am happy you could see that this specific woman's interest were not aligned with yours and let her go. If anything, I can say nature is "unfair" for putting us in this position.

[JuneJulySeptember]

 

But men are wising up and won't make the same mistakes that their father, uncle, or other male figure in their lives did. Men are realizing their true options and are seeing the vistas of opportunity before them that beta male white knights and desperate females tried to obscure.

 

It's a new day.

 

My father didn't have to do the stuff guys have to do nowadays to get gals.

 

He's just a really good man who works hard. I don't think he got many gals, but he got my mom. My mom actually says that's why she went for him.

 

He's passive to the point of wussiness, has shaky self confidence, and is pretty socially inept. If he had to play the game in this generation, I don't know if he could get a single woman. Pretty sad actually.

[KungFuJoe]

Now... This is the type of dialogue that pisses me off.

 

If you're trying to say that men are obsolete just because there's sperm banks, then you need your head screwed on right. If you want a child so much, go and march up to one and demand in vitro fertilization. Or adopt. Why are you complaining so much about your biological clock running out when this is an option?

 

You want to raise a child without a father, go ahead. Your son will be an effeminate sissy boy with no masculine direction and your daughter will be a misguided floozie when she gets into her college years desperately seeking the male attention she never had. A masculine man with a good head on his shoulders is a grounding presence in the home and provides stability that is taken for granted WAY too much in the modern world.

 

 

 

Well, this is wrong. If you can't see that there's a gender war going on right now, you need to open your eyes. Men and women will always be against each other simply because they have different directives. Modern society has only accentuated this.

 

What's with you guys and your stereotypes and generalizations? Really? Is this how you really think as you go about your daily lives, commute work, associate with coworkers, family, friends of the opposite sex? Do you have lunch with a female coworker and secretly sit there, across from her at the table, silently judging her and wondering if she deems you a worthy male while the only thought in her head is if it's going to rain later on or if she needs to buy eggs on the way home?

 

When you talk to your mothers, do you despise the woman she is and feel embarrassed on how your fathers must have been such beta males to have had to resort to such measures to find someone to love him and then to settle for an unworthy woman only to raise her offspring?

 

Serious questions. Answers appreciated.

[GoodOnPaper]

Do you have lunch with a female coworker and secretly sit there, across from her at the table, silently judging her and wondering if she deems you a worthy male while the only thought in her head is if it's going to rain later on or if she needs to buy eggs on the way home?

 

The bolded part used to be a big problem for me -- even after I got married. I hadn't really thought about this for a long time -- I guess life has gotten so busy it doesn't weigh on my mind like it used to.

[KungFuJoe]

To be honest, I really don't care what most modern women think. You see, unlike today's women, I respect the women in my family because they have a good head on their shoulders. Still, I dislike the fact that they tend to be ruled by emotion rather than reason, but in life concessions must be made. "Worthy male"? Worthy of what?

 

My father's no alpha but he sure isn't a beta schlub either.

 

Ahhh...selective judging. I like that.

 

Kinda like the mother with the bratty, spoiled child who "can do no wrong".

 

At least you're loyal along with your ignorance.

[KungFuJoe]

Do you respect everyone you meet? If you do' date=' you're a fool.[/quote']

 

I'm the fool? Says the person who has devolved to trolling dating forums. How many worthless threads and posts have you accumulated so far?

 

And for the record...yes, actually I do respect everyone I meet. ...Unless I'm given a reason not to. It's how I live my life and the main reason why I can easily say that I've had the LEAST amount of personal drama in my life compared to most people I know...and why I have many strong friendships and relationships, including a VERY successful marriage of over 10 years.

 

I don't go around judging or deeming people as inferior before I even have a chance to get to know them.

[TheBigQuestion]

What's with you guys and your stereotypes and generalizations? Really? Is this how you really think as you go about your daily lives, commute work, associate with coworkers, family, friends of the opposite sex? Do you have lunch with a female coworker and secretly sit there, across from her at the table, silently judging her and wondering if she deems you a worthy male while the only thought in her head is if it's going to rain later on or if she needs to buy eggs on the way home?

 

When you talk to your mothers, do you despise the woman she is and feel embarrassed on how your fathers must have been such beta males to have had to resort to such measures to find someone to love him and then to settle for an unworthy woman only to raise her offspring?

 

Serious questions. Answers appreciated.

 

While the questions you're proposing are fair ones, I don't really think you quoted the best post to make your point. Other than d'Argennes assertion that there is a true gender war going on (more on that later, perhaps), what else has he said that is wrong? Edgygirl's claims that women do not need a man present to raise children is certainly correct, but in many respects the lack of a stable, loving father figure will mess up the children's lives without repair in just the manner he described. There are no inaccurate stereotypes involved. And please spare me any protestations about how fully intact families "can be messed up too." It doesn't change the general point.

 

Do you think it's any coincidence that most of the female posters on LS who had (or have) serious issues with dating have had terrible relationships with their fathers, or no relationship with them at all? Do you think the girl who was flashing her boobs to everyone in my fraternity's basement a few years back and blowing guys behind our DJ booth had a functional relationship with her father? (I actually had a long conversation with her a few months later and, surprise surprise, daddy wasn't there).

[KungFuJoe]

Deeming people inferior and saying people aren't worthy of respect aren't the same thing.

 

So which are you saying, because now I'm honestly confused.

 

Are women inferior?

 

Or are women unworthy of respect?

 

And just what exactly is the difference?

[EasyHeart]

Most men over 48 are physical TRAINWRECKS. Overweight, balding, unattractive as HELL with their haggard faces and stooped over postures, the clear majority need ED medication due to a lifetime of smoking or drinking or eating in excess, alot of them have a host of physical maladies and/or general poor health, and most of them look MUCH older than their 50 years. I've turned down literally hundreds of these types because they look like my freakin grandfather!

HEY!!

 

Leave me out of this!!!

[Mme. Chaucer]

I'm the fool? Says the person who has devolved to trolling dating forums. How many worthless threads and posts have you accumulated so far?

 

I think he's in competition with the Necromancer and Leisuredude. I wonder who's ahead?

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

Do you think it's any coincidence that most of the female posters on LS who had (or have) serious issues with dating have had terrible relationships with their fathers, or no relationship with them at all? .

 

Where on Earth did you get this information? I read LoveShack pretty religiously (obviously ) and I've NEVER heard "most of the female posters" in the dating forum say anything much about their relationships with their fathers.

[TheBigQuestion]

Where on Earth did you get this information? I read LoveShack pretty religiously (obviously ) and I've NEVER heard "most of the female posters" in the dating forum say anything much about their relationships with their fathers.

 

I can think of at least three off the top of my head, although I will not disclose their names (obviously). Either way, why pick on that part of my post? Are you seriously denying that someone lacking a father figure in their lives doesn't quite frequently lead to daddy issues which manifest in poor dating habits and poor opinions of the male sex?

[Eternal Sunshine]

I am one of the bigger train wrecks on here and I have always had a great relationship with my dad. My parents have also been married for over 30 years. What's the alternative hypothesis? I am fat and ugly?

[somedude81]

I am one of the bigger train wrecks on here and I have always had a great relationship with my dad. My parents have also been married for over 30 years. What's the alternative hypothesis? I am fat and ugly?

It's cause you're an American woman.

 

Oh wait...

[Mme. Chaucer]

I can think of at least three off the top of my head, although I will not disclose their names (obviously). Either way, why pick on that part of my post? Are you seriously denying that someone lacking a father figure in their lives doesn't quite frequently lead to daddy issues which manifest in poor dating habits and poor opinions of the male sex?

 

Your whole post hinges on women having "issues" because of their problems with father figures. I don't even understand why you feel like making that point in this thread, and then you "back it up" by making up a pretty farfetched claim about "the majority of female posters."

 

Three is not a majority. There are probably thousands of women posting about their dating struggles here.

[Anela]

Where on Earth did you get this information? I read LoveShack pretty religiously (obviously ) and I've NEVER heard "most of the female posters" in the dating forum say anything much about their relationships with their fathers.

 

I have a great relationship with my dad most of the time, too. He is the best man in my life, and always has been.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I have a great relationship with my dad most of the time, too. He is the best man in my life, and always has been.

 

Obviously you and ES are not a part of the majority of 3.

[TheBigQuestion]

Your whole post hinges on women having "issues" because of their problems with father figures. I don't even understand why you feel like making that point in this thread, and then you "back it up" by making up a pretty farfetched claim about "the majority of female posters."

 

Three is not a majority. There are probably thousands of women posting about their dating struggles here.

 

If you don't understand why I made that point in this thread, you need to go back and read the entirety of my original post in response to KungFu, and in turn read the post to which he was responding. I admit that this whole thing is a somewhat off-topic tangent, but the only reason I brought anything up about fathers was because he was responding to the only post by d'Argennes that somewhat made sense. Edgygirl's viewpoint about not "needing men" to raise children is an asinine and potentially harmful one to hold, and d'Argennes was not out of line for calling her out on her BS, nor were the assertions contained therein incorrect. KungFu then proceeded to quote the entire thing and act as if THAT post, out of so many others made in this thread, was somehow misinformed and/or emblematic of a misogynist attitude. My post with which you are inexplicably taking issue was merely a suggestion to him to be wiser in picking what types of viewpoints he should hold up as representing something negative.

 

And furthermore, I absolutely CAN think of more than three posters now that I've went through a few names. I admit that I can't account for the thousands of female posters, but I was initially referring to the women who post regularly. Yes, there are plenty of women here with daddy issues, and while not every woman with dating struggles who posts here has daddy issues (a point that I never made anyway), plenty of them do. Many of the ones with 5-digit post counts do. Either way, it is irrelevant to the overall point of the thread. The accuracy of my estimates as to women with daddy issues who post on LS was just one example; it was not my point in the first place. The overall point that I was making, was that it is conventional wisdom to avoid dating women with daddy issues for the sake of one's own sanity, and that of all the posts KungFu could object to, one in which the pitfalls of thinking men are expendable as far as raising children are concerned is hardly one of them. Of course, you (purposely) missed the forest for the trees, refused to discuss the above-referenced conventional wisdom upon which my post was predicated, failed to read the sequence of responses that led to my post in the first place, but still deemed it appropriate to run your mouth anyway.

Edited December 29, 2012 by TheBigQuestion

[TheBigQuestion]

The mere suggestion that single women are disadvantaged in raising their children when their household doesn't include a strong male role model is enough to make some women shoot steam out of their ears.

[Taramere]

Funny how this kind of advice in this kind of thread appeared right before Christmas.

 

Happy holidays !

 

No rest for the wicked!

[KungFuJoe]

I grew up with a single mother. Parents were divorced since I was five. My dad tried to see me as much as could but my mom, who has had severe depression for as long as I can remember kept me as far away as possible. Thus, I have no real relationship with my dad and my only feelings for my mom is that of "obligation" to care for her (she is in a nursing home) since I am the only child. I wasn't physically abused as a child but went through severe mental abuse as a pre teen through teenager due to my mom and even contemplated suicide at times (though I never would have actually done it...it was more a cry to get my mom to "care").

 

So lets see. No father figure in my life. Abusive mother.

 

I should be a wussy, pushover, sorry excuse of a man who hates women...right?

 

Wrong. I'm ALL man...and no one who knows me would ever say otherwise. I love and respect women as equals...but I also know that a man should take care of and be strong for his woman.

 

Having both parents help...yes. But ultimately it's up to the person to take what he/she has got and make the most of it. I wasn't given much in life. I grew up in shelters living off government food because my mom couldnt hold a job. Everything I have today, I earned it. I live a very happy life, with an amazing wife who I've been with for 13 years and I am very successful in my career.

 

I've lived my life with one credo. Enjoy it as much as you can. Because you get ONE shot, and then you're dead. No retries. But don't hurt anyone along the way of pursuing your own happiness. It's that simple.

 

Do you want to spend your ONE shot at life in bitterness and hatred? Despising the opposite sex due to FEAR? Yes...fear. Because that's what it is. Being scared of failing at relationships...failing with the opposite sex. It's this fear that leaves you unable to open your mind and your heart to someone..to trust them wholly. It's the fear that causes you despise the opposite sex.

 

Never forget that. You get ONE chance at life. Let that really sink in. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you are truly happy with yourself and the way your life is. And ask yourself how you see things in 5 years...10 years...30. How old are you now? Are you a third of the way through life? Halfway? How much time do you have left...and I mean really have left when you're still able to do all the things you want to do.

[Negative Nancy]

To be honest' date=' I really don't care what most modern women think. You see, unlike today's women, I respect the women in my family because they have a good head on their shoulders. Still, I dislike the fact that they tend to be ruled by emotion [b']rather than reason[/b], but in life concessions must be made. "Worthy male"? Worthy of what?

 

My father's no alpha but he sure isn't a beta schlub either.

 

LOL yes, because men are so ruled by reason when they see some cleavage and their other head takes over.

 

Men are no more logical than women, otherwise you wouldn't see so many men risk everything just for sex.

[Negative Nancy]

...but in many respects the lack of a stable, loving father figure will mess up the children's lives without repair ...

 

Do you think it's any coincidence that most of the female posters on LS who had (or have) serious issues with dating have had terrible relationships with their fathers, or no relationship with them at all? Do you think the girl who was flashing her boobs to everyone in my fraternity's basement a few years back and blowing guys behind our DJ booth had a functional relationship with her father? (I actually had a long conversation with her a few months later and, surprise surprise, daddy wasn't there).

 

"Daddy wasn't there?". Yeah, and whose fault is that? So many fathers cheat, leave the family for another woman or even take off running as soon as they find out the woman is pregnant, and you have the nerve to lecture women that the messed up dating world is the fault of not having stable males in their lives?

 

How about you direct your criticism towards the group that's actually at fault: Men who by leaving and destroying their families (and their daughters) failed to be those very role models that you're speaking of.

 

 

It has been proven that children who do not have a stable father figure in the house suffer in numerous ways for it.

 

Maybe men should start being responsible fathers then instead of cheating on their wives and leaving her and the children for a younger woman, as 99% of walkaway-men do nowadays.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Negative Nancy

[Eternal Sunshine]

Negative Nancy is awesome