todreaminblue Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 God doesn't need us, we need Him. The Lost Sheep Scripture: Matthew 18:12-14 (see also Luke 15:3-10) 12 What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go in search of the one that went astray? 13 And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. 14 So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. god might not need us....he wants us as a shepherd wants his complete flock......returned at the end of days........and he will seek u sout by sending his earthly shepherds to find us...fi we decide to jump off the cliff the shepherds wont follow they have the rest of the flock to look after....god wants us all to be as white when we come home....as we were when we left to come here...if we arent white we arent ready to return........thats my opinion...deb 2
todreaminblue Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I DID pray sincerely. He didn't answer. I wonder how many people pray with sincerity, and absolute faith that he will answer, but he doesn't. What's your reasoning then? He just wants to discriminate? if you pray only to receive an answer and you dont get one .....that isnt faith you are expecting god to change or fix something in your life to guide you when maybe it is your turn to do the hard yards......i complain to him when it gets hard for me i ask him to make it stop....i have a theory about the wilderness and being lost....if you are never lost you cant be found, if you never struggle to fidn th eanswers you expect them to come to you easily....life isnt easy....it can be easier......but not easy...... i think in the wilderness you get to see true suffering by others and have others make you suffer....if we all knew what the answers were at the drop of a hat how do we prove we can be faithful....even people who have rock solid faith struggle.....because basically everyone has free will that includes hurting others and yes peopel with faith can be hurt....... god says that he wont make us carry a load we cant handle........im still here....what that gives me faith about is .....crap i can handle a lot even though i stress and falter and stumble and do forward rolls once in a while god sees me through.....when i can thandle physcial pain he takes it away when i cant handle my mind playing tricks on me.....i get an answer i need to move on....... might not be what i was hoping for....but i do get release from pain that i am in.......without prescription drugs or alcohol...i can get a smile that wasnt expected just happens from someone.....or a pat on the shoulder when i need it..that happened today......god inspires others hearts to do good....you just have to not expect it to be in the answer form you wish for...i was in the wilderness not long ago .......i had had enough of medication of feeling like a zombie...i was actively planning to end my life i wasnt actually talking to god at all.i believed in him ...but i felt worthless......i gave up......he sent me the truth in an unexpected way ....my daughter dragging some missionaries ....off the street and dragged them in......for herself not for me she wanted to learn more about god...i wasnt really talking to anyone at that stage i was cutting myself off....... thats the first time i have said or admitted that...my daughter did not know how close i was to going..i told no one because they would hav eshoved me back in hospital .......as i said god doesnt answer me the way i want him too.......i just know i have a purpose now and i am not worthless...can you disprove that??????....you can say that they would have come anyway the truth is if i had answered the door and had kahlia not bought them in i would not have said ill speak to you..i didnt want to talk to anyone...i only spoke to them because kahlia bought them in..it had to be that way or i wouldnt be here..if someone else had answered the door to missionaries it would hav ebeen a no also ...it would hav ebeen polite but a no.........god knew my heart he knew th ehearts in my house he worked his answer through my youngest daughter.........though id share my story i am not trying to say you are wrong you have the right to your beliefs...i just shared with you a slice of mine........its not god i doubt ever...it always my own worthy or not worthy heart and mind.............deb Edited December 16, 2012 by todreaminblue 4
Author El Brujo Posted December 17, 2012 Author Posted December 17, 2012 I'm sure that's in the footnotes of Leviticus somewhere? Googling..."CHristians not have fun or laugh"...results www.godisnotcool.com: Fundies pretend they have joy, but it shows in Leviticus they can't have fun b/c God said not to eat rabbit and everyone knows that Elmer Fudd likes to eat rabbit and he's the funniest cartoon character ever created, so their life is a massive contradiction... Okay, that was dumb. Actually, that "if it feels enjoyable, it must be sinful" reasoning comes from this Puritan factoid that says "when mortals are given choices, they will invariably pick the one which is most sinful". Number one, this is a total crock (I don't invariably pick what's most sinful when I'm given choices), and number two, people who make the mistake of preaching that things like sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll are not sinful, generally get booed off of life's stage.
TheFinalWord Posted December 17, 2012 Posted December 17, 2012 Actually, that "if it feels enjoyable, it must be sinful" reasoning comes from this Puritan factoid that says "when mortals are given choices, they will invariably pick the one which is most sinful". Number one, this is a total crock (I don't invariably pick what's most sinful when I'm given choices), and number two, people who make the mistake of preaching that things like sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll are not sinful, generally get booed off of life's stage. This was a joke friend Ug, it doesn't sound like you got it. I won't quit my day job
Author El Brujo Posted January 5, 2013 Author Posted January 5, 2013 This was a joke friend Ug, it doesn't sound like you got it. I won't quit my day job Oh, I got the joke alrighty... but my sense of humor is quite sardonic and difficult for other people to appreciate. I mean, come on... who else but me has trouble envisioning Jesus as a guy who didn't regularly punctuate his speaking with "man" and "dude"??? Others wouldn't find that funny, but I do.
TheFinalWord Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Oh, I got the joke alrighty... but my sense of humor is quite sardonic and difficult for other people to appreciate. ...duuuudddde Edited January 5, 2013 by TheFinalWord 1
pureinheart Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Huh? Not following your logic here. Just because God DOESN'T do something doesn't mean He CAN'T do it. And He has made abundantly clear that we're not "pestering" Him when we pray to Him. Great post! The Bible teaches to pray without ceasing...and with that I'm very thankful for unanswered prayer, as it has saved me much grief:D 2
pureinheart Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 if you pray only to receive an answer and you dont get one .....that isnt faith you are expecting god to change or fix something in your life to guide you when maybe it is your turn to do the hard yards......i complain to him when it gets hard for me i ask him to make it stop....i have a theory about the wilderness and being lost....if you are never lost you cant be found, if you never struggle to fidn th eanswers you expect them to come to you easily....life isnt easy....it can be easier......but not easy...... i think in the wilderness you get to see true suffering by others and have others make you suffer....if we all knew what the answers were at the drop of a hat how do we prove we can be faithful....even people who have rock solid faith struggle.....because basically everyone has free will that includes hurting others and yes peopel with faith can be hurt....... god says that he wont make us carry a load we cant handle........im still here....what that gives me faith about is .....crap i can handle a lot even though i stress and falter and stumble and do forward rolls once in a while god sees me through.....when i can thandle physcial pain he takes it away when i cant handle my mind playing tricks on me.....i get an answer i need to move on....... might not be what i was hoping for....but i do get release from pain that i am in.......without prescription drugs or alcohol...i can get a smile that wasnt expected just happens from someone.....or a pat on the shoulder when i need it..that happened today......god inspires others hearts to do good....you just have to not expect it to be in the answer form you wish for...i was in the wilderness not long ago .......i had had enough of medication of feeling like a zombie...i was actively planning to end my life i wasnt actually talking to god at all.i believed in him ...but i felt worthless......i gave up......he sent me the truth in an unexpected way ....my daughter dragging some missionaries ....off the street and dragged them in......for herself not for me she wanted to learn more about god...i wasnt really talking to anyone at that stage i was cutting myself off....... thats the first time i have said or admitted that...my daughter did not know how close i was to going..i told no one because they would hav eshoved me back in hospital .......as i said god doesnt answer me the way i want him too.......i just know i have a purpose now and i am not worthless...can you disprove that??????....you can say that they would have come anyway the truth is if i had answered the door and had kahlia not bought them in i would not have said ill speak to you..i didnt want to talk to anyone...i only spoke to them because kahlia bought them in..it had to be that way or i wouldnt be here..if someone else had answered the door to missionaries it would hav ebeen a no also ...it would hav ebeen polite but a no.........god knew my heart he knew th ehearts in my house he worked his answer through my youngest daughter.........though id share my story i am not trying to say you are wrong you have the right to your beliefs...i just shared with you a slice of mine........its not god i doubt ever...it always my own worthy or not worthy heart and mind.............deb Wilderness should have been my middle name:) Bold- this is a good place to be, had I been there more, many of my "wilderness" experiences would have been avoided, as many of them were brought on by me... 1
TheFinalWord Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Great post! The Bible teaches to pray without ceasing...and with that I'm very thankful for unanswered prayer, as it has saved me much grief:D You always have such witty ways to put things...I'm still laughing over divine woodshed. 1
TaraMaiden Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 "If God did not exist, it would be necessary for us to invent him." Voltaire. 1
M30USA Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 "If God did not exist, it would be necessary for us to invent him." Voltaire. So then invent him.
pureinheart Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 You always have such witty ways to put things...I'm still laughing over divine woodshed. Thanks TFW. Thank God for grace eh, especially in my case. I see God much like my dad. My dad used to laugh and shake his head when I'd get into things, except for one time. Remember the old ejectable razor blades...I ruined a whole package and could have gotten hurt. Yep my dad was like our heavenly Father, the punishment fit the crime...my crimes got bigger though so God took over lol. While we're at it, you have ministered through posts to others big time...you are a true blessing on this site! 2
TheFinalWord Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Thanks TFW. Thank God for grace eh, especially in my case. I see God much like my dad. My dad used to laugh and shake his head when I'd get into things, except for one time. Remember the old ejectable razor blades...I ruined a whole package and could have gotten hurt. Yep my dad was like our heavenly Father, the punishment fit the crime...my crimes got bigger though so God took over lol. While we're at it, you have ministered through posts to others big time...you are a true blessing on this site! haha you're so witty! I love the illustrations Reminds me of a verse from my top 5 chapters in the bible. Psalm 103. I only know KJV by heart. "The Lord is merciful and gracious. Slow to anger and overflowing with mercy. He will not always chide, neither will he harbor his anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is as high above the earth, so is his mercy towards them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pittieth them that fear him. For he knowth our fame; he remebers that we are but dust. As for man, his days are as grass; as a flower of the field so he flourisheth. The wind passes over it and it is gone, and the place thereof knoweth it no more. But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him; to such that keep his covenant and those that remember to do his commandments. The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom ruleth overall." Might have missed a few parts, but it's been a long day Thanks for your kind words. I try to help when I can. Edited January 7, 2013 by TheFinalWord 1
BetheButterfly Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 The Lost Sheep Scripture: Matthew 18:12-14 (see also Luke 15:3-10) 12 What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go in search of the one that went astray? 13 And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. 14 So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. god might not need us....he wants us as a shepherd wants his complete flock......returned at the end of days........and he will seek u sout by sending his earthly shepherds to find us...fi we decide to jump off the cliff the shepherds wont follow they have the rest of the flock to look after....god wants us all to be as white when we come home....as we were when we left to come here...if we arent white we arent ready to return........thats my opinion...deb I love your posts Deb 100% agree with you and love the Bible passage you quoted! It is interesting how some people seem to think that humans are the all-in-all in the universe... that humans are the "most advanced" and the evolved, the most intelligent, yet really we are like sheep in comparison to God who is not confined to the earth nor is of the earth. The earth is a merely a dot on the page of the universe. Many scientists are searching for life outside of the earth, yet the fact remains that life on our planet is very special and is due to specific factors. For people who believe in God, those special factors are attributed to a Supreme Being who masterfully and purposely created life, like an artist creates a masterpiece. God does not need us. However, like you say, "he wants us as a shepherd wants his complete flock......"That is so beautiful and lovely:love: He doesn't want us like human shepherds want their sheep to provide them (the sheperds) with meat or wool or profit: who eat some of their sheep and sell others (many of which are eaten) or takes their wool in order to make a profit. He wants us because he loves us and because he made us, sort of like a dollmaker who makes a doll and does not sell the doll or make a profit out of the doll, but rather smiles everytime she sees the beautiful doll she has made, who treasures the doll and cares for the doll, even though all the doll does is smile back at her. Interestingly however, God did not make us as pretty little dolls who can only do his will. Rather, he gave people free will and minds. We can do what we want, though God also gave consequences for doing what displeases him. Both Judaism and Christianity believe that God made mankind in his image. I think this includes the fact that humans have the ability to create, like God does. Without God, I don't think people would exist. The reason is because life on earth and the specific factors that make life on earth possible is not just a chance or an accident. It shows intelligent design, same as when you see an amazing building, you know it was not made by chance or accident, but rather has intelligent design behind the purposeful construction.
3blindmice Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Classic verse about this: "When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor." (Psalms 8:3-5 ESV) After years of studying the Bible, I'm convinced that God made mankind as a testimony--so to speak--to the angels. We were not his initial or primary creation. But after 1/3 of the angels rebelled with Satan, he created us to show that something which is made out of dirt (mankind) can be be transformed by the power of God into something which was initially made glorious (angels) but chose not to depend on him. For those who disagree with this and believe that God has "nothing to prove", that sounds great, but there are too many examples where Satan goes up to God and basically says, paraphrased, "If you let me do such and such, I will show you how wrong you are!" And for reasons that will always mystify humans, God agrees. I'm not sure where in the bible I read we were created to teach the angels how to come together and help each other. Like we do when there's a disaster, we try to help the people in the disaster zone. I guess if a disaster happened to the angels it was like each angel for themselves.
TaraMaiden Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 So then invent him.# Oh, I don't care really, one way or the other...... I leave that to you..... 1
3blindmice Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I can't find it. But I know I didn't make it up. I've read the dead sea scrolls that were trans into english. I've watched lots of the bible explained shows and read the bible. Somewhere in all of that I got the 'we were put here to teach the angels.' Thank you for pointing out that it's wrong.
TaraMaiden Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 There are over 300 references to Angels in the Bible (both Testaments). It has to be remembered that the original meaning of the word 'Angel' is 'Messenger'.... In 1 Peter, it does indicate that there are Mysteries within God's work that even the Angels do not know, but are willing to investigate... They have intellect, will and the capacity to learn.... and one of my favourite quotations in the Bible, is Hebrews 13:2....
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