The jerk,football, hippie, loser myth. (HOT)

[Necromancer]

I will only make this thread once.

 

All this stuff about women only going for what you call "Losers" is because of 5 letter word LOOKS.

 

Jerks, football guys are often tall and good looking. (football player=status).

 

There is a guy with a typical jerk look at my school but he is not a good looking guy, around average.

 

The girls he is getting are not "quality" women, i don´t give a **** about the women he is getting because they are low quality and not much better than average.

 

You guys are just jealous and justify it by claiming that he must be a jerk to protect your ego. In reality it is LOOKS!.

[Mr Scorpio]

Well, thank you for letting us know that you have been appointed to judge which women are "low-quality" and "not much better than average". Please be careful not to fall off of your ivory tower.

[MrCastle]

It's not all about looks.

 

I was unsuccessful, changed my attitude, improved my understanding of how females work, now, I'm successful. I look the same as I did when I was getting friend zoned.

[mammasita]

Of course its like that in high school.....

[mortensorchid]

You are not the first to make such an observation about what women want, to be sure. Sometimes I am not so sure if men are the ones who care about looks as much as women do, quite honestly. How often do I see men with far less attractive women? A lot. And it's reached a point where I can conclude that they want someone who's lesser than they are : less educated, never argues, lacks charisma (in terms of looks and personality). Prove it wrong.

 

As for women going for looks only? Hey, women by nature are more shallow and I think I can admit the same, so it's not news by any means.

[ThaWholigan]

Only sees good looking guys get laid. Still in school. Is a f*cking idiot and wonders why he cannot get laid. Is a try-hard and wonders why girls don't rate him. Blames looks, blames women for being shallow.

 

Doesn't even know how to be attractive. Attempts to force reality on people who are not only older, but much more experienced, and much smarter than he is.

 

Even the golden LMS triad wouldn't help this guy - he'd still have to pay for it.

Edited December 12, 2012 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[iris219]

I don't even know what you're talking about. Is the football player a loser? Or is the ugly jerk a loser? Where does the hippie come in?

 

Both guys (I think there's only two) in your example are getting girls, so what's your point?

[Necromancer]

 

Only sees good looking guys get laid. Still in school. Is a f*cking idiot and wonders why he cannot get laid. Is a try-hard and wonders why girls don't rate him. Blames looks, blames women for being shallow.

 

Doesn't even know how to be attractive. Attempts to force reality on people who are not only older, but much more experienced, and much smarter than he is.

 

Even the golden LMS triad wouldn't help this guy - he'd still have to pay for it.

 

First i was whining and now i am a try-hard. The uck?.

 

You know that i am 18 dude, is there anything wrong with being in school at that age?.

 

You got rejected 32 times in a row, I am amazed. What a great results. Teach me bro.

 

My good looking friends very rarely get rejected.

 

Face= attraction.

Edited December 12, 2012 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[ThaWholigan]

First i was whining and now i am a try-hard. The uck?.

 

You know that i am 18 dude, is there anything wrong with being in school at that age?.

 

You got rejected 32 times in a row, I am amazed. What a great results. Teach me bro.

 

My good looking friends very rarely get rejected.

 

Face= attraction.

I sure did get rejected 32 times in a row a few years back. Probably because I was a young buck who didn't know sh*t - just like you are now .

 

Looks matter. They do. You are right about that. But if you really think it's the be all and end all? .

Edited December 12, 2012 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[ascendotum]

The girls he is getting are not "quality" women, i don´t give a **** about the women he is getting because they are low quality and not much better than average.

 

So are they low quality girls or above average girls or are average girls below low quality these days?

(I assume you mean low quality in behaviour and slightly better than average in looks)

[Mrlonelyone]

The idea that being on the football team would magically make a young man popular and well liked is false. Back during the late 90's age of school shootings more than one of the outcast young men who went on a rampage were athletically gifted. At least one I can remember was on the football team.

 

So, kiddies, stop obsessing over the archie comics version of high school. Plenty of people are on the varsity teams, football, cheerleading, ...but totally outcast and miserable.

[PJKino]

Only sees good looking guys get laid. Still in school. Is a f*cking idiot and wonders why he cannot get laid. Is a try-hard and wonders why girls don't rate him. Blames looks, blames women for being shallow.

 

Doesn't even know how to be attractive. Attempts to force reality on people who are not only older, but much more experienced, and much smarter than he is.

 

Even the golden LMS triad wouldn't help this guy - he'd still have to pay for it.

 

Even a women came in here and said women are more shallow

[ThaWholigan]

Even a women came in here and said women are more shallow

So?

 

Does that help you?

[GirlontheLam]

Since this thread is directed at me, I feel obligated to post in it.

 

 

High school is long gone in my case, and I can tell you things don't really change. Change 'hippie pothead who won't ever do anything usefull' by 'art student hippie pothead who won't ever do anything usefull', and 'football player who can't spell his name' by 'minimum wage cafetaria worker' and you got the situation for uni. Change 'cafetaria worker' to 'bartender' and 'art student' to 'art teacher' or 'yoga teacher' and you got the situation past uni in what (really shouldn't be) called the real world.

 

I know it's fiction, but if anyone has ever seen How to make it in America, you'll know what I'm talking about. 2 slackers are running around town without a plan or any clear goal, living hand to mouth because they are extremely irresponsible with money and they are getting laid and get in relationships left and right, while the intelligent, ambitious, hard working yuppie who's the nicest guy you can imagine can't get any. Like I said, it's fiction, but it's how the world works, unfortunately.

 

edit: if someone really didn't understand: not every footballplayer has it easy and not every smart guy has it tough, but the average footballplayer has it waaayyy easier than the average smart guy. Exceptions make the rule

 

If it is still like that in your town, when adults hit their mid 20s, it is probably time to relocate.

[PJKino]

So?

 

Does that help you?

 

No it hurts my chances that women are shallow and the misnformation hurts some of us when the exact opposite is usually said here. Its giving the wrong info out for struggling men who are thinking "wow im nice interesting and have a good personality why arent women giving me a chance when all i hear is women arent as shallow as men"

 

Then he overanalzyes every move he makes and every line he says as if somethings wrong with his personality or approach when it could be as simple as women arent physcially attracted to him who he approaches

Edited December 12, 2012 by PJKino

[ThaWholigan]

No it hurts my chances that women are shallow and the misnformation hurts some of us when the exact opposite is usually said here. Its giving the wrong info out for struggling men who are thinking "wow im nice interesting and have a good personality why arent women giving me a chance when all i hear is women arent as shallow as men"

 

Then he overanalzyes every move he makes and every line he says as if somethings wrong with his personality or approach when it could be as simple as women arent physcially attracted to him who he approaches

Well he should stop analyzing and start doing. Like I said, there are a lot of factors that matter, and looks are a significant part of the equation.

 

That doesn't mean that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the answer. I maintain that if I had the same attitude, I would still be a virgin right now. The fact that I happen to be tall and whatever adjective people wish to add on is pretty irrelevant after the fact, whether you want to believe that or not. I haven't seen a picture of Necris, but he is the same height as me and also black, for all we know he could be a looker like some people say I am. Yet he struggles.

 

It's more than personality (whatever personality means to you). But you also need to have a lot more about you in terms of attitude. It's no good folding up into a ball and just giving up, unless you can really hack it. If you can't and it annoys you, then continue to persevere. I know it can be difficult, but it's better to be at least somewhat positive about it to provide you with a balanced view and able to improve your dating life. It really can be done, you just have to start thinking that it can.

[PJKino]

Well he should stop analyzing and start doing. Like I said, there are a lot of factors that matter, and looks are a significant part of the equation.

 

That doesn't mean that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the answer. I maintain that if I had the same attitude, I would still be a virgin right now. The fact that I happen to be tall and whatever adjective people wish to add on is pretty irrelevant after the fact, whether you want to believe that or not. I haven't seen a picture of Necris, but he is the same height as me and also black, for all we know he could be a looker like some people say I am. Yet he struggles.

 

It's more than personality (whatever personality means to you). But you also need to have a lot more about you in terms of attitude. It's no good folding up into a ball and just giving up, unless you can really hack it. If you can't and it annoys you, then continue to persevere. I know it can be difficult, but it's better to be at least somewhat positive about it to provide you with a balanced view and able to improve your dating life. It really can be done, you just have to start thinking that it can.

 

No im done getting rejected and hurt im bowing out of the game..I used to be mr happy go lucky positive and thought positive thinking and outlook would work well it hasnt so why set myself up for failure and heartache more by continually thinking its gonna happen to me then end up getting hurt in the end as always?

 

At least if i dont try anymore and dont think it will happen i dont have far too fall anymore..

[GirlontheLam]

I'd put charisma over looks any day as what attracts women.

[aed]

Well he should stop analyzing and start doing. Like I said, there are a lot of factors that matter, and looks are a significant part of the equation.

 

That doesn't mean that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the answer. I maintain that if I had the same attitude, I would still be a virgin right now. The fact that I happen to be tall and whatever adjective people wish to add on is pretty irrelevant after the fact, whether you want to believe that or not. I haven't seen a picture of Necris, but he is the same height as me and also black, for all we know he could be a looker like some people say I am. Yet he struggles.

 

It's more than personality (whatever personality means to you). But you also need to have a lot more about you in terms of attitude. It's no good folding up into a ball and just giving up, unless you can really hack it. If you can't and it annoys you, then continue to persevere. I know it can be difficult, but it's better to be at least somewhat positive about it to provide you with a balanced view and able to improve your dating life. It really can be done, you just have to start thinking that it can.

 

Partly true. But that doesn't help to overcome his problem. When some one gets rejected more then 40 times in a row (And rejected is not getting anywhere besides a phone number or a conversation.) What do you suggest they should do if their effort wont give any results. Keep trying it's easier said then done.

People need positive feedback and results to keep going. When they only fail, they can't grow and learn!

 

 

ps:

But people are saying that you are goodlooking (and when you havent heard that your friend is also, he is probably not), and you say you are succesfull with women, so how can you claime that looks don't matter?

Edited December 12, 2012 by aed

[ThaWholigan]

Partly true. But that doesn't help to overcome his problem. When some one gets rejected more then 40 times in a row (And rejected is not getting anywhere besides a phone number or a conversation.) What do you suggest they should do if their effort wont give any results. Keep trying it's easier said then done.

People need positive feedback and results to keep going. When they only fail, they can't grow and learn!

 

What is the alternative? If there was one, I would give it to him. I can't see him IRL so I don't know what he's like, it could be something to do with that IMO. There's always a fix, I do not believe that there isn't one. He has to keep trying unfortunately - if he wants to get anywhere.

 

Otherwise, what is your suggestion? I would hope if you have one, it is better than mine. I would be happy with that.

 

 

ps:

But people are saying that you are goodlooking (and when you havent heard that your friend is also, he is probably not), and you say you are succesfull with women, so how can you claime that looks don't matter?

 

SOME people say I am good looking. Looks are subjective enough in my experience that I have had people call me both really hot & really ugly. I also did not say I was "successful" with women - I lost my virginity this year, and have since slept with 2 girls and dating others. It is a quantum leap, but I'm very far from a casanova, nor do I particularly wish to be one.

 

I also claimed in the very post you quoted that looks in fact DO matter. However, the extent to which they matter is often greatly exaggerated by those who do not do so well with women, some of whom are probably not even ugly anyway.

[ThaWholigan]

You would have lost your virginity very soon after hitting puberty if you had these men's face genetics

 

 

http://www.gossipandsoaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/gabriel-aubry-20080126-368400.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p88UN.jpg

Are you saying I would have lost my virginity earlier if I was white?

 

Either way, I'm very happy with the way my face looks.....

[kaylacole]

I love it when other women chime in and say that looks do not matter, it is the inside that counts, and all that other sappy junk.

 

If you look at spending in the USA, which sex outspends the other on services or items involving nothing other than looks or vanity? Clothes, make-up, spas, salon, tanning, gym, fashion mags, etc?

We outspend you guys by billions and billions... the wallet speaks, actions speak.

 

Clearly any woman who says looks do not matter is such a laughing stock, a total farce...

 

That is actually great news for guys though, that is excellent news. Here is why: any guy can pack into a gym, bulk up or whatever, and get noticed for it. That is all you really have to do. Get your ass in the gym, and get the body we ladies want and won't leave, and strut around. We have to wait for you to get the confidence to approach us, and hope your confidence is actually well founded, e.g. you look good naked and we can see that in the first 5 seconds after meeting you.

 

Charisma, status, money, divorce courts are full of guys who have all that **** and were left for somebody who knew to go jogging 5 days a week.

[USMCHokie]

Well he should stop analyzing and start doing. Like I said, there are a lot of factors that matter, and looks are a significant part of the equation.

 

That doesn't mean that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the answer. I maintain that if I had the same attitude, I would still be a virgin right now. The fact that I happen to be tall and whatever adjective people wish to add on is pretty irrelevant after the fact, whether you want to believe that or not. I haven't seen a picture of Necris, but he is the same height as me and also black, for all we know he could be a looker like some people say I am. Yet he struggles.

 

It's more than personality (whatever personality means to you). But you also need to have a lot more about you in terms of attitude. It's no good folding up into a ball and just giving up, unless you can really hack it. If you can't and it annoys you, then continue to persevere. I know it can be difficult, but it's better to be at least somewhat positive about it to provide you with a balanced view and able to improve your dating life. It really can be done, you just have to start thinking that it can.

 

To be perfectly honest, I am 99% convinced that physical appearance is easier to change than personality, especially when we're talking lasting change, and especially as one gets older. If personalities, emotions, the heart, and the mind were so easily changed, there would be absolutely no need for the field of psychology, and there would be no crazy people out there. Changing a person's personality and attitude would be as easy as a boob job, no?

 

So in my opinion, when advising someone on how to improve their dating, I think they will find better success catering to the shallow part of women's minds...simply because it's easier to change physical appearance. Sure, you can fake it and play mind games with yourself to trick yourself into thinking another way, but we are far less impressionable as we think. We have preconceived notions, ideas, beliefs, and values ingrained into our minds from our formative years, and it takes a lot more effort to make those sorts of changes than it would to get into shape, learn basic dress and grooming, and alter physical behaviors and mannerisms.

[aed]

What is the alternative? If there was one, I would give it to him. I can't see him IRL so I don't know what he's like, it could be something to do with that IMO. There's always a fix, I do not believe that there isn't one. He has to keep trying unfortunately - if he wants to get anywhere.

 

Otherwise, what is your suggestion? I would hope if you have one, it is better than mine. I would be happy with that.

 

 

 

 

SOME people say I am good looking. Looks are subjective enough in my experience that I have had people call me both really hot & really ugly. I also did not say I was "successful" with women - I lost my virginity this year, and have since slept with 2 girls and dating others. It is a quantum leap, but I'm very far from a casanova, nor do I particularly wish to be one.

 

I also claimed in the very post you quoted that looks in fact DO matter. However, the extent to which they matter is often greatly exaggerated by those who do not do so well with women, some of whom are probably not even ugly anyway.

 

First how old are you? Because when you are 18 years old, this will put your comments in a very different perspective, then when you are 27 and made a life changing discovery. (also a goodlooking man that changes his personality and is learning to pickup the IOI's girls are giving is different then an ugly man becomming a true womenizer.)

 

Second I don't have an easy answer for his problem, I am not an expert myself, But I know how it is to feel that you are getting nowhere and being rejected by every girl you seem interested in and I have experienced girls calling me in the middle of the night or are having sex with me after 3 minutes that we met. So I have very different results and experiences when it comes to women.

 

 

I would advise him to get his mind of dating and women for a while. Revalue his goals and working on himself to feel about himself and built up a strong and happy life, with things he truly enjoys. Just focusing on making himself happy. In this period he also should let go of porn and masturbating.

Then he needs to set his goals about dating straight and stick to them! What does he want: Just having sex, ONS, meeting the girl of his dreams etc.? If he wants a girlfriend he should be honest and be straight about what he wants in a girlfriend. (And I hope he doesn't have expectations that she must be bikini model etc.) But what do want from her as a person?

And when he has his goals straight. Let his actions show this: don't befriend women first if you are hoping for a ONS. When he wants ONS he should communicate this, when you talk: go sexual, try to kiss her, when you talk with herl for like 5 minutes etc.

I know this won’t get him a girl automatic or in an instant. But he will notice a difference in how girls will interact with him.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Now I understand. All I care about is looks. Thanks for helping me, OP. Your threads are amazing.