Harradin Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 However, if a person of interest is in the same social circle as you and the above method is put into play, it can (and probably will) cause awkwardness in the future. I'm in the same situation but haven't acted on it because she'll say no and then there would be this strange tension between us. I value her friendship too much to do that. I see your point, I was lucky in my situation that the girl I fancied wasn't in my social group so I never had that experience. But if she breaks her friendship with you just because you told her you liked her, wouldn't it just mean she wasn't worth being friends with? As you'll know she'll say no so you would have most likely gotten over her by the time you next see her, so it'll only be awkward if she chooses it to be? My 2 cents.
todreaminblue Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Women aren't "wired" to lead... they're reaction to rejection is 1000xs worse then men's and they over analyze words and psych themselves out. They need a "leader" to lead them with actions and they will follow and cheerlead for you Time to grow a pair and become confident please dont say its true....i actually agree with part of what captain save a ho says.....the cheerleader part and time to grow a pair and become confident is more you....dont you think? the rest i agree....shudder...i refuse to like your post.....smilin....oh crap i smiled at it....deb.
todreaminblue Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Just because a man has balls to ask a woman out and goes after what he wants does not mean she is going to be interested in him. There's other factors that determine whether or not a woman will be interested. Sometimes I get too shy to go after the women I want. But this is probably all a moot point since I don't even know for sure that she had interest in me to begin with. So why does a woman care if a man has balls to ask her out? If he has not even passed the physical attraction test then every other quality or flaw is moot. Looks do matter no matter if confidence is present or not. So she isn't going to care one way or the other that I did not have balls to pursue her Its hard when you are attracted to some one and you are shy naturally, it seems insurmountable to simply tell someone you like them or have feelings for them or want to date them.......you will never know half the time if they like you or not until you ask....i do ask shy guys....and it takes a lot for me to ask when i feel strongly about them......if i dont have those feelings off the ebat.......then its easy...because it means something to you is also a reason why it is hard not just the rejection factor.....it hold precedence in your thoughts.... you have to just move on that, when you realize that you are always going to have those fears.....it isnt going to change.....you will always feel scared of what the answer might be.......in spite of that you move......its what i do....i actually have a fear of heights i get vertigo........every time....i still manage to jump and climb down from those heights....even with vertigo and a healthy dose of fear...i actually find asking someone for a date scarier or letting them know how i feel...letting people into my heart and them not wanting to be there ro get to know that heart of mine....cuts me to the core.....much worse than jumping out of a helicoptor.................the fact is I still do it...i havent really dealt with rejection a lot.......but when i have...hey still kicking here.....and i much prefer a guy to ask me out.....i need to feel soemthing for that person fro that to happen....but i woudl never be mean about a denial...most fo the time if a guy works up the nerve to ask me for a date its an automatic yes...i normally do like that person anyway and have been giving signals........i would make that person feel the best that i could if i were to deny.....deb
Imported Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 No, THAT is BS. If there is no physical attraction you are automatically dismissed as a potential mate, regardless of the personality. Not exactly. I like cars. I always have nice cars. A junky 5 years old beat up looking Honda civic would be dismissed right away. It has nothing I want. It would never work with me. I don't care if it still runs great, great on gas and will be reliable. An old Ford Mustang fastback ('70s) would be an acceptable car, even though it is horrible on gas and how reliable it is is how resourceful I am....it looks great and projects an image I like. While it is not an Aston Martin DB9 Vanquish in Hunter green with black leather interior.....the old Mustang fastback would be acceptable. So, between a Mustang Fastback and an Aston martin DB9 Vanquish, looks don't matter too much......but an old beat up junky Honda Civic or anything like that is not acceptable at all. It's like rides at an amusement park, you must be at least this tall to get on the ride. You can be taller than that, but you must be at least this minimum. Looks don't matter, if you look good enough.
Charlie Harper Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Most of the stuff they sell you in movies and books is pure BS. Looks dont have nything to do with success with women. Back in the day, my closest friend and I would make bets and hang out with women and see who would score, we both were pretty good at it. Myself I am average height, I am handsome, have great voice and smile, quite funny so its natural that I would score everynow and then. but my friend was 1 inch taller than me, but ugly as they come, weird posture, weird looks and sometimes would be outright creepy. He always scored because he was a master at flirting and engaging women, he has been on the game for 27 years, has not married and has had like 20 ultra super hot women and countless 8 and 9´s, he now is fat and bald and women do ANYTHING for him... A hint a lot of women really test your balls saying things to you to be obedient and release control. Once you do that YOU ARE history, women love us to be in control and display control and be secure (even if we are literaly pissing our pants in fear), so they test us and ask us to do things DONT DO THEM, learn to argue on their level and make desicions together. 1
Necromancer Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Most of the stuff they sell you in movies and books is pure BS. Looks dont have nything to do with success with women. Back in the day, my closest friend and I would make bets and hang out with women and see who would score, we both were pretty good at it. Myself I am average height, I am handsome, have great voice and smile, quite funny so its natural that I would score everynow and then. but my friend was 1 inch taller than me, but ugly as they come, weird posture, weird looks and sometimes would be outright creepy. He always scored because he was a master at flirting and engaging women, he has been on the game for 27 years, has not married and has had like 20 ultra super hot women and countless 8 and 9´s, he now is fat and bald and women do ANYTHING for him... A hint a lot of women really test your balls saying things to you to be obedient and release control. Once you do that YOU ARE history, women love us to be in control and display control and be secure (even if we are literaly pissing our pants in fear), so they test us and ask us to do things DONT DO THEM, learn to argue on their level and make desicions together. Delusional beyond repair. Looks do matter. 1
Charlie Harper Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 If looks do matter no ugly people would breed. Damaged beyond repair....
CptSaveAho Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Most of the stuff they sell you in movies and books is pure BS. Looks dont have nything to do with success with women. Back in the day, my closest friend and I would make bets and hang out with women and see who would score, we both were pretty good at it. Myself I am average height, I am handsome, have great voice and smile, quite funny so its natural that I would score everynow and then. but my friend was 1 inch taller than me, but ugly as they come, weird posture, weird looks and sometimes would be outright creepy. He always scored because he was a master at flirting and engaging women, he has been on the game for 27 years, has not married and has had like 20 ultra super hot women and countless 8 and 9´s, he now is fat and bald and women do ANYTHING for him... A hint a lot of women really test your balls saying things to you to be obedient and release control. Once you do that YOU ARE history, women love us to be in control and display control and be secure (even if we are literaly pissing our pants in fear), so they test us and ask us to do things DONT DO THEM, learn to argue on their level and make desicions together. Absolutely true.... This entire post.... Looks are superficial.... Grow a pair of balls.... learn how to flirt.... and tell women like it is.... and be a little childish and rebel against them 1
kaylan Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Most of the stuff they sell you in movies and books is pure BS. Looks dont have nything to do with success with women. Back in the day, my closest friend and I would make bets and hang out with women and see who would score, we both were pretty good at it. Myself I am average height, I am handsome, have great voice and smile, quite funny so its natural that I would score everynow and then. but my friend was 1 inch taller than me, but ugly as they come, weird posture, weird looks and sometimes would be outright creepy. He always scored because he was a master at flirting and engaging women, he has been on the game for 27 years, has not married and has had like 20 ultra super hot women and countless 8 and 9´s, he now is fat and bald and women do ANYTHING for him... A hint a lot of women really test your balls saying things to you to be obedient and release control. Once you do that YOU ARE history, women love us to be in control and display control and be secure (even if we are literaly pissing our pants in fear), so they test us and ask us to do things DONT DO THEM, learn to argue on their level and make desicions together. riiiiight. Either your friend is rich, or you are blowing smoke up my bum. Why do guys love pushing the idea that plenty of women care about looks? Physical attraction matters to men and women. There are physical characteristics that trigger attraction in humans. Its a natural fact people. Stop trying to rewrite our genetic nature.If looks do matter no ugly people would breed. Damaged beyond repair....Ugly people have to breed with someone. It tends to be other ugly people. Theres a reason why in most couples, both people tend to be on the same attractiveness plane. Edited December 10, 2012 by kaylan 1
SteveC80 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 riiiiight. Either your friend is rich, or you are blowing smoke up my bum. Why do guys love pushing the idea that plenty of women care about looks? Physical attraction matters to men and women. There are physical characteristics that trigger attraction in humans. Its a natural fact people. Stop trying to rewrite our genetic nature.Ugly people have to breed with someone. It tends to be other ugly people. Theres a reason why in most couples, both people tend to be on the same attractiveness plane. I agree..and those ugly people dont breed with ugly people because theyre so attracted to them its usually that they finally realize proably after rejections from better looking people that this is the best they can do and for self preservation in the mating game settle for what they can get
CptSaveAho Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Kaylan... didnt you just lose your virginity this past year.... and now your dating a girl in gigs (27 right?) Yet you know how the world works..... Notice how one girl has not come in here and agreed or disagreed on this Men to women.... its about physical attraction Women to men.... its about emotional attraction People that think its all about looks are insecure and have no emotional depth.... Look at Tyler Durdan and Mystery... They are hideous and pull hot ass chicks 1
IT Geek Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 It's like rides at an amusement park, you must be at least this tall to get on the ride. You can be taller than that, but you must be at least this minimum. Looks don't matter, if you look good enough. Exactly. And there are some of us that aren't tall enough to go on that ride. So, looks DO matter up to a threshold point
IT Geek Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Absolutely true.... This entire post.... Looks are superficial.... Grow a pair of balls.... learn how to flirt.... and tell women like it is.... and be a little childish and rebel against them How are you supposed to learn to flirt if you are consistently rejected by women? It's not like there is a book out there you can read and know how to like you can with a calculus text.
Imported Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 How are you supposed to learn to flirt if you are consistently rejected by women? It's not like there is a book out there you can read and know how to like you can with a calculus text. The Flirting Bible: Your Ultimate Photo Guide to Reading Body Language, Getting Noticed, and Meeting More People Than Yo: Fran Greene: Amazon.com: Kindle Store I never read it, but might try it out myself. I don't really flirt, but women do flirt with me and I just respond.
IT Geek Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 For some of us we never get signs of interest at all so we have to take a shot at any slight signs even if its nothing I wait for obvious signs probably too much and hardly ever approach women because i never get them There is this one woman in a weekly dinner group that is SO my type, especially sexy because she has a bit of a geek streak running through her. We talked a lot at dinner for a couple of weeks and I thought she was interested, but then I came back to reality and realized that was just her personality. Then she randomly poked me on FB and we've been poking back and forth. A friend of mine says that a poke is a flirt and that I should ask her out. But I know it's not a sign.
ThaWholigan Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Kaylan... didnt you just lose your virginity this past year.... No, that was me not Kaylan. Do people mix us up because we are black guys or something? And Mystery isn't hideous, he's just f*cking weird 1
Necromancer Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 If looks do matter no ugly people would breed. Damaged beyond repair.... Are you on something buddy?. So being 6´2, tall, dark, muscular and handsome doesn't give you a advantage over 5´4, fat, bad, ugly, full face of acne ridden guy?. Are you serious? this is a million dollar Question Yes/no who will do better with women?.
pbjbear Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I love threads like this Because I just sit here thinking about all the scientific research Ive read that shows men place more emphasis on looks in dating than women do The person above me who said a great personality can be very helpful is right None of the men I really liked were stunners
kaylan Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) riiiiight. Either your friend is rich, or you are blowing smoke up my bum. Why do guys love pushing the idea that plenty of dont women care about looks? Physical attraction matters to men and women. There are physical characteristics that trigger attraction in humans. Its a natural fact people. Stop trying to rewrite our genetic nature.Ugly people have to breed with someone. It tends to be other ugly people. Theres a reason why in most couples, both people tend to be on the same attractiveness plane. Fixed typo in bold.Kaylan... didnt you just lose your virginity this past year.... and now your dating a girl in gigs (27 right?) Yet you know how the world works..... Notice how one girl has not come in here and agreed or disagreed on this Men to women.... its about physical attraction Women to men.... its about emotional attraction People that think its all about looks are insecure and have no emotional depth.... Look at Tyler Durdan and Mystery... They are hideous and pull hot ass chicks Wtf? I lost my virginity as a teenager dude. Seeing as I am 26, that was a long time ago. And the girl I am currently dating is VERY into me. So considering how well things are presently going, Id like to think I know what I am talking about. Women all over this forum will tell you physical attraction matters to them. Men will tell you emotional attraction matters to them too. Both things matter to both genders when it comes to finding someone you really click with. Its not an either-or situation. I never said dating is solely about looks. Im merely stating the fact that its a component that too many dudes try to ignore. Ive experienced how looks affect dating...and Im just an average guy. And the girl Im presently dating goes ga-ga over my hair and my body. She also loves how sweet I am to her. So for her right now, shes got both physical and emotional attraction going on. And I wouldnt call the PUAs you mentioned "hideous". They are pretty decent looking fellas when they put effort into their appearance. Plus, they are rather famous...so that helps in pulling attractive mates. PS - Youre the second person in the last week or so to mistaken me for some guy who just recently lost his virginity in his 20s and had lame dating skills prior to that. You must not see many of my posts if Im mixed up like that. Edited December 11, 2012 by kaylan
Estate Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Just because a man has balls to ask a woman out and goes after what he wants does not mean she is going to be interested in him. There's other factors that determine whether or not a woman will be interested. Sometimes I get too shy to go after the women I want. But this is probably all a moot point since I don't even know for sure that she had interest in me to begin with. So why does a woman care if a man has balls to ask her out? If he has not even passed the physical attraction test then every other quality or flaw is moot. Looks do matter no matter if confidence is present or not. So she isn't going to care one way or the other that I did not have balls to pursue her and ask her out because she would have said no anyway. Oh boo hoo hoo.... Dude, stop hating the world. You waana ask someone out, then ask them out and stop acting like the whole world is against you. If you didn't ask her out, then someone else will.... and he will date her... and thats why she's not with you... you didn't even bother to ask.. So grow a pair or get out of the game.
IT Geek Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I None of the men I really liked were stunners But I bet they weren't fat and/or ugly were they?
crude Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If women want men with balls, then give it to them. Hunt them down with confidence, get what you want from your prey sexually, then move on to another manly challenge when you spot a more attractive woman. Be careful what you wish for, it might come true.
Estate Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 But I bet they weren't fat and/or ugly were they? Fat and Ugly men can easily get dates if they show a bit of personality. From reading your posts in this thread you are just down on yourself and blaming the world for everything... if you approach a woman and look and sound miserable, then, no, she won't like you. I know plenty guys who are fat, bald, short, whatever... and they do just fine because they don't care. I'm 6ft tall... I've had women tell me I was too short! Do I get down about it and hate the world? NO! Beacuse it's BS, I'm not short, but that particular girl probably likes guys who are 6'5" or whatever, who cares, I'll date another girl. You just seem miserable within yourself. And THAT is what is unattractive. And besides that... not that I think fat and/or ugly are reasons not to get women there are PLENTY things you can do about it. - If you feel you are over-weight, work out and lose weight and feel better about yourself. - If you feel ugly, buy some new clothes, buy some nice cologne, get a cool new haircut, take care of your skin, just basically take care of yourself, this is EASY for men. It doesn't take as much work as women put into it. - Stop being so picky. Will a 300lb guy get a super-model? Sometimes!! But not always... look at girls who will realistically date you and start there, get some confidence.
IT Geek Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Fat and Ugly men can easily get dates if they show a bit of personality. From reading your posts in this thread you are just down on yourself and blaming the world for everything... if you approach a woman and look and sound miserable, then, no, she won't like you. I know plenty guys who are fat, bald, short, whatever... and they do just fine because they don't care. I'm 6ft tall... I've had women tell me I was too short! Do I get down about it and hate the world? NO! Beacuse it's BS, I'm not short, but that particular girl probably likes guys who are 6'5" or whatever, who cares, I'll date another girl. You just seem miserable within yourself. And THAT is what is unattractive. And besides that... not that I think fat and/or ugly are reasons not to get women there are PLENTY things you can do about it. - If you feel you are over-weight, work out and lose weight and feel better about yourself. - If you feel ugly, buy some new clothes, buy some nice cologne, get a cool new haircut, take care of your skin, just basically take care of yourself, this is EASY for men. It doesn't take as much work as women put into it. - Stop being so picky. Will a 300lb guy get a super-model? Sometimes!! But not always... look at girls who will realistically date you and start there, get some confidence. I'm not blaming or hating the world for anything. I just accept the fact that my combination of an unattractive face and being overweight is the kiss of death in the dating world. I don't blame women for rejecting me because there has to be a physical attraction for a relationship to work. Since I've accepted that fact, I don't approach women. What's the use? In fact, I was invited to a speed dating event and declined because I didn't want the women to have to spend 5 minutes of their time with someone who they obviously wouldn't be interested in. Even if I did, I have absolutely NO clue on how to start up a conversation with women, or have any "game" as they say. And I am losing weight and working out. But that doesn't do anything for the ugly face. I have NEVER in my life had a woman approach me, even when I wasn't overweight in college. That has to say something to my looks. Edited December 11, 2012 by IT Geek
Estate Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I'm not blaming or hating the world for anything. I just accept the fact that my combination of an unattractive face and being overweight is the kiss of death in the dating world. I don't blame women for rejecting me because there has to be a physical attraction for a relationship to work. Since I've accepted that fact, I don't approach women. What's the use? In fact, I was invited to a speed dating event and declined because I didn't want the women to have to spend 5 minutes of their time with someone who they obviously wouldn't be interested in. Even if I did, I have absolutely NO clue on how to start up a conversation with women, or have any "game" as they say. The LEARN how to have a conversation. And stop moaning. People come in all shapes and sizes and they still manage to meet someone. If you're not even trying then thats your problem right there..
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