jcrew11 Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 Wrong on several fronts: -I know how to flirt with women and have no problem meeting women/hooking up with them -You can't improve cold approach success, you can only improve your nervousness, but even when the nerves are gone, it's still up to the woman to decide if she likes you or not. If she likes tall black guys and you're a short white guy, doesn't matter how good you think you are at cold approaching. The more you do it, it doesn't make you better. Nerves are the only thing that improve, not success rate. I've been telling you how guys can improve cold approach success. You just don't accept the fact, that a guy can create attraction with a total stranger. You may think that you can only rely on class or work. But there will come a time where you see an amazing girl on the bus, at the bar, or at the park, and you will want to talk to her. If you never try, The failure rate will be 100%. You seem to think cold approaching is just "cat calling like construction workers" There are ways for guys to create attraction from random women. If the guy dresses nice, if he has a good personality, if he's doing a lot of fun things, if he has a cute puppy. You see a hot girl, you give her the "wink and smile" and say the Joey Tribiani line "How you Doin?" and she laughs. Guys who rely only on school or work to meet women may not only face rejection but being fired for sexual harrassment. There will come a time in every man's life that he wittingly or unwittingly does a "cold approach" to a woman.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 A guy who wants the easy way out will listen to someone who says just protect your ego. Some one who wants adventure will take a chance and be bold!
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 A guy who wants the easy way out will listen to someone who says just protect your ego. Some one who wants adventure will take a chance and be bold! The numbers speak for themselves buddy. People who are looking for proven success will take the path most traveled.
GirlontheLam Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 The problem is a lot of guys nowadays see cold approaching as "effort". It took me a while to start to loosen up and just see it as fun. Having said that, not much comes of it, although I have dated one girl recently off the back of one. But it's still should be fun, that's what I'm reframing it to be - thus I'm getting better at it. I'm still wack at it though . A lot of men fail to close the deal so to speak. Look at the threads in this forum. "There was this really cute girl on the bus, we talked for 10 minutes. Then she got off. How can I find her again?"
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) I've been telling you how guys can improve cold approach success. You just don't accept the fact, that a guy can create attraction with a total stranger. You may think that you can only rely on class or work. But there will come a time where you see an amazing girl on the bus, at the bar, or at the park, and you will want to talk to her. If you never try, The failure rate will be 100%. You seem to think cold approaching is just "cat calling like construction workers" There are ways for guys to create attraction from random women. If the guy dresses nice, if he has a good personality, if he's doing a lot of fun things, if he has a cute puppy. You see a hot girl, you give her the "wink and smile" and say the Joey Tribiani line "How you Doin?" and she laughs. Guys who rely only on school or work to meet women may not only face rejection but being fired for sexual harrassment. There will come a time in every man's life that he wittingly or unwittingly does a "cold approach" to a woman. You absolutely cannot improve cold approach success. Your odds never change. It's 50/50 every single time. That's a mathematical fact, stop ignoring the numbers, they don't lie. You approach a woman, it's either a yes, or a no, every single time. If you're dressed well but she doesn't like the style in which you dress, or your height, or the color of your skin, or whatever, you are going to get rejected. Doesn't matter that you approached 150 women before her, each approach is 50/50 chance of success. At the beginning of this thread you presented points that strongly reinforced my stance so I don't know why we're continuing this conversation. A lot of girls will just reject guys out of habit because they "are scared of strangers" and you don't look like Brad Pitt. Most girls need "social reinforcement" before dating a man such as approval from her friends, or if the guy has a good job. Girls will reject men if they are having a bad day. Some women just take time to gain trust and attraction. If you catch her off-guard, she might not be interested at that time or moment; but a few months later and she is lonely and desperate, she'll ring up your number. That was all you. I never said cold approach never works but it's better if you just take life as it comes and whatever happens happens, not actively go out and approach a certain amount of women, trying to force the odds in your favor. Like I said, you may come away with a few numbers, most of which will amount to nothing, and a whole bunch of rejections just to get to that point. You also talk about sexual harassment like it doesn't happen in public. You know one reason why it's harder to find success in cold approach? Yeah, because you're hitting on a total stranger. So don't give me that stuff, there's a reason why women are guarded on the street and your chances are less. Because when a guy they know socially asks them out, they're not thinking "Creep", when you approach her on the street, a lot of times, she is. You said it yourself. Edited December 7, 2012 by MrCastle
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 You fail to understand the full benefits of the Cold approach if you just keep saying 50/50. It helps with confidence, gets you into the right mind set, and even if a particular approach has little to no chance of leading to anything... a person who regularly approaches will likely increase their chances of finding their dream girl infinite fold. Oh and no such thing as a creep.
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 You fail to understand the full benefits of the Cold approach if you just keep saying 50/50. Yeah, silly me using logic and such. It helps with confidence, gets you into the right mind set, and even if a particular approach has little to no chance of leading to anything... a person who regularly approaches will likely increase their chances of finding their dream girl infinite fold.[/Quote] You're listing potential benefits without listing the flaws, which I have pointed out in this thread more times than I can count. All the stuff you mentioned can happen, but at what cost? Again, it's rare that what you're talking about happens. It's precisely why the title of this thread is "Cold Approaches...Yes they WORK", because it's common knowledge they typically don't. You're not gonna get any views or posts if it was "Social circles...they WORK!" because people would say "uh, yeah." Talking to women here and there is fine, waking up with the sole purpose of approaching a set amount of women in the hopes of finding your "dream girl" as you put it is pretty lame, and a little too desperate in my opinion. Oh and no such thing as a creep. Let's ask the women.
NateC Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 They work but like anything else it depends on the situation and the people involved. /thread
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 Talking to women here and there is fine, waking up with the sole purpose of approaching a set amount of women in the hopes of finding your "dream girl" as you put it is pretty lame, and a little too desperate in my opinion. You say you have logic but I see great contradictions here. Who said cold approaches mean you wake up with the sole purpose of approaching a set number of women before you can sleep that night? I also said it's about not caring about being rejected so how's it desperate? I think it's more desperate to not be yourself for fear of being labeled a creep. Let's ask the women. You're not a woman, you should know better. Think about it. The word creep hardly describes anything but a girl calling a guy a creep. It means nothing. It's superficial.
SmileFace Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 It is an extra thing you can do to further your chances of meeting people. This goes for both guys and girls - from meeting friends to dating. It may or may not br benificial but it will add to your chances off meeting someone if you try. 3
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 It is an extra thing you can do to further your chances of meeting people. This goes for both guys and girls - from meeting friends to dating. It may or may not br benificial but it will add to your chances off meeting someone if you try. Certainly true. But if I'm giving advice to someone unsuccessful, I'm saving this quote for last. If mr. dateless comes up and asks mr. castle "how can I meet girls?" I'm telling him to build a social circle first and foremost. It has the highest rate of success, which is what I'm sure mr. dateless is looking for.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 Certainly true. But if I'm giving advice to someone unsuccessful, I'm saving this quote for last. If mr. dateless comes up and asks mr. castle "how can I meet girls?" I'm telling him to build a social circle first and foremost. It has the highest rate of success, which is what I'm sure mr. dateless is looking for. why not do both? Exactly, do both! It's not like doing cold approaches is going to take any real time out of your day. Plus as I keep saying it will add to your confidence which will help you in other areas such as the ability to approach a friend and do friend type social circle things. It adds to being more outgoing and not hiding away. 1
Necris Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 Exactly, do both! It's not like doing cold approaches is going to take any real time out of your day. Plus as I keep saying it will add to your confidence which will help you in other areas such as the ability to approach a friend and do friend type social circle things. It adds to being more outgoing and not hiding away. My confidence doesn't increase when I inevitably get rejected doing a cold approach so I'm not exactly sure how cold approaches increase confidence, now I still do cold approaches I just do not expect to get anything out of it at all.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 My confidence doesn't increase when I inevitably get rejected doing a cold approach so I'm not exactly sure how cold approaches increase confidence, now I still do cold approaches I just do not expect to get anything out of it at all. Than my friend you are doing it right. You shouldn't be expecting anything out of it at all. So if you're not worried about meeting a girl and don't expect anything you have 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.
Estate Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 You absolutely cannot improve cold approach success. Your odds never change. It's 50/50 every single time. That's a mathematical fact, stop ignoring the numbers, they don't lie. What numbers? Where is this documented? So If I go out tomorrow and approach 10 girls all quiet and shy and looking a mess, I will get 5 phone numbers. If I then clean myself up, dress well and approach girls with confidence and make them laugh and have fun talking to me, I will also get 5 phone numbers. This is YOUR logic. So you're basically saying, no matter what you do in any situation, it makes NO difference, it willhave the same outcome ALWAYS. So same goes for the bar tomorrow night. I can go in my pyjamas and **** in the corner playing nintendo because I will make out with 50% of however many girls are there anyway, all the time, every time... why bother make an effort. hahaha.
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 What numbers? Where is this documented? So If I go out tomorrow and approach 10 girls all quiet and shy and looking a mess, I will get 5 phone numbers. If I then clean myself up, dress well and approach girls with confidence and make them laugh and have fun talking to me, I will also get 5 phone numbers. This is YOUR logic. So you're basically saying, no matter what you do in any situation, it makes NO difference, it willhave the same outcome ALWAYS. So same goes for the bar tomorrow night. I can go in my pyjamas and **** in the corner playing nintendo because I will make out with 50% of however many girls are there anyway, all the time, every time... why bother make an effort. hahaha. Your chance is always 50/50. Either she says yes or no? Is there a third option i'm unaware of? Wow. So dressing does the trick huh? So if you're short and the girl is into tall guys all you have to do is dress spiffy and that no becomes a yes? Ahhh, wait a minute, that's bull****.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 What numbers? Where is this documented? So If I go out tomorrow and approach 10 girls all quiet and shy and looking a mess, I will get 5 phone numbers. If I then clean myself up, dress well and approach girls with confidence and make them laugh and have fun talking to me, I will also get 5 phone numbers. This is YOUR logic. So you're basically saying, no matter what you do in any situation, it makes NO difference, it willhave the same outcome ALWAYS. So same goes for the bar tomorrow night. I can go in my pyjamas and **** in the corner playing nintendo because I will make out with 50% of however many girls are there anyway, all the time, every time... why bother make an effort. hahaha. I noticed this too but saw nothing good from calling him out on it. But haha you did a good job lol If you went to the bar in your pyjamas and **** in the corner playing nintendo you would be at the 100% level
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 I noticed this too but saw nothing good from calling him out on it. But haha you did a good job lol If you went to the bar in your pyjamas and **** in the corner playing nintendo you would be at the 100% level This is really getting scary. Now I have to explain 50/50? Either the girl likes you or she doesn't. Height, skin color, facial features, are all things you cannot change. You want to wear a suit? Wear a suit. And get rejected in a suit if she doesn't care for your face, height, ethnicity, etc. Either the girl says yes, or she says no. Those are your two options, hence 50/50.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 This is really getting scary. Now I have to explain 50/50? Either the girl likes you or she doesn't. Height, skin color, facial features, are all things you cannot change. You want to wear a suit? Wear a suit. And get rejected in a suit if she doesn't care for your face, height, ethnicity, etc. Either the girl says yes, or she says no. Those are your two options, hence 50/50. Well yes to possible outcomes... but hardly a 50/50 shot. Any ways since you're the one arguing against cold approaches as a generally good approach I'll let you say 50/50 because those are some damn good odds. 1
Imajerk17 Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 Well yeah there are only two outcomes but its not 50/50. Everyone gets either a Yes or a No but the cooler you are the more often you will get a Yes. Like in sports you either win or lose but good teams win more often than bad teams. If you are creepy then you will get a No at least 99% of the time. If you are a cool guy you will get a Yes maybe 33% of the time and a No the remaining 67%. (In a cold approach the girl is a stranger and who knows what is going on in her world or even the type of guy she is into.)
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 Well yes to possible outcomes... but hardly a 50/50 shot. Any ways since you're the one arguing against cold approaches as a generally good approach I'll let you say 50/50 because those are some damn good odds. Yeah I didn't expect 50/50 to be a controversial number but apparently it is.
MrCastle Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 If you are creepy then you will get a No at least 99% of the time. If you are a cool guy you will get a Yes maybe 33% of the time and a No the remaining 67%. (In a cold approach the girl is a stranger and who knows what is going on in her world or even the type of guy she is into.) Right but now it's getting dicey. All I'm saying is there are two outcomes. She is either gonna say yes, or she's gonna say no. You can "dress sharp" and it will work on one girl, but not on another, because she doesn't like your face, or your demeanor, or whatever. Girls are individuals that are into different things. There is no one size fits all with women. For every girl that digs your style, is a handful of others that don't. If there was only some way you could get to know a girl and find out if her personality meshes with yours. I wonder how this can be done.
Author Nightsky Posted December 7, 2012 Author Posted December 7, 2012 Yeah I didn't expect 50/50 to be a controversial number but apparently it is. I mean dude it's like saying my chances of winning the lottery are 50/50 because I'll either win or I won't. It's like saying my chances of getting into Harvard Medical are 50/50 because they'll either accept or reject me. I think that's what people are getting at. It's kind of making you look silly. 1
GirlontheLam Posted December 7, 2012 Posted December 7, 2012 If you go into a cold approach with no expectations, you will always win.
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