Do Men Want Relationships?

[udolipixie]

Why is it freaking insulting?? Why is insulting to acknowledge what anyone who glances through a men's magazine or porn and glances at popular celebrities or takes a look at ANY of the numerous threads here constantly picking apart... oh, sorry, admiring.... women's bodies.... would know?

 

Guys on this board, other places on the Internet, real life.... ALL of them say over and over that men are visual, that they can't help be attracted to hot women, that men are just biologically wired to prefer women with nice boobs and a small waist.

 

So how is it insulting to just repeat what I have been told, over and over, by men themselves??

 

Probably it's insulting to say anything remotely negative about guys even if they say it themselves.

 

Guys can 'admire' gals bodies, talk about how visual they are, how men are men, and such but if one talks about it in a negative light it's insulting guys.

[Drseussgrrl]

Well I can pretty much guarantee you that this average, chubby woman I met last night didn't snag a husband by creating threads like this and having no confidence that nobody could ever love her as she was. She didn't buy into this self-deprecating "reality" that all men only want skinny hot women with no flaws.

 

I'm seriously wondering where you get this stuff.

[Drseussgrrl]

Wow. So you think this girl's husband was "settling" for her?

 

If her ring size was any indication I'd have to argue with you there.

[udolipixie]

Well I can pretty much guarantee you that this average, chubby woman I met last night didn't snag a husband by creating threads like this and having no confidence that nobody could ever love her as she was. She didn't buy into this self-deprecating "reality" that all men only want skinny hot women with no flaws.

 

I'm seriously wondering where you get this stuff.

 

Probably from the majority of male fantasies, envied lifestyles, porn, and paradises being described as having lots of skinny yet curvy hot gals with no flaws.

[verhrzn]

Well I can pretty much guarantee you that this average, chubby woman I met last night didn't snag a husband by creating threads like this and having no confidence that nobody could ever love her as she was. She didn't buy into this self-deprecating "reality" that all men only want skinny hot women with no flaws.

 

I'm seriously wondering where you get this stuff.

 

.... By the fact that guys have spent my entire life insulting me and rejecting me for my looks, and that I know lots and lots of women who DO have awesome personalities and yet never get the time of day because they aren't gorgeous.

 

I also read lots of advice letters about middle-aged women whose husbands divorced them for younger and hotter models.

[PJKino]

Why is it freaking insulting?? Why is insulting to acknowledge what anyone who glances through a men's magazine or porn and glances at popular celebrities or takes a look at ANY of the numerous threads here constantly picking apart... oh, sorry, admiring.... women's bodies.... would know?

 

Guys on this board, other places on the Internet, real life.... ALL of them say over and over that men are visual, that they can't help be attracted to hot women, that men are just biologically wired to prefer women with nice boobs and a small waist.

 

So how is it insulting to just repeat what I have been told, over and over, by men themselves??

 

Umm that means nothing sex sells i think i see men with six pack abs doing commercials not men with guts

 

Magic Mike didnt have hair balding men no shape dancing

 

You also seem to cherry pick what a few sociopaths on here say as if its the opinion of all men,thats like me judging women by what udolopixie or mesmerized say

[verhrzn]

Hell, I get quite a bit of it from this forum. I used to have rose-colored glasses on, comparably, until I came here, and saw thread after thread bemoaning the existence of fat women, older women, ugly women. I never knew just how truly offensive I was to the majority of men until I found this forum.

[Drseussgrrl]

So guys like to look at hot women. Big effin' deal. There is a big difference between what a guy might want to jerk off to and what he might desire in a life partner, or fall in love with.

 

Heck, I look at beautiful women too. Doesn't mean I want to date one, or even f*ck one for that matter.

[verhrzn]

Umm that means nothing sex sells i think i see men with six pack abs doing commercials not men with guts

 

Magic Mike didnt have hair balding men no shape dancing

 

You also seem to cherry pick what a few sociopaths on here say as if its the opinion of all men,thats like me judging women by what udolopixie or mesmerized say

 

It isn't sociopaths. I see plenty of the "average day" posters, like ThaWhalogian or Pyro or Tmann posting in those same kinds of threads. That's what REALLY convinced me.... these "nice" guys were drooling over the same type of women put up by the sociopaths.

 

Which is why it's really bizarre to then have them turn around and insist not all men think the same.

[Emilia]

Your real-life examples are examples of guys settling. Glance around the Internet.... those average girls are not the ones guys are drooling over.

 

but don't you understand that's meaningless??? I drool over Brad Pitt but it doesn't mean I think about him after watching him in a movie 5 minutes later! It's playing, it's a game.

 

Do you find that you are able to identify other people's motives (outside dating and love, let's say) or do you take everything at face value? Serious question. Cognition is complex and nuanced, not so black and white.

[ThaWholigan]

Why is it freaking insulting?? Why is insulting to acknowledge what anyone who glances through a men's magazine or porn and glances at popular celebrities or takes a look at ANY of the numerous threads here constantly picking apart... oh, sorry, admiring.... women's bodies.... would know?

 

Guys on this board, other places on the Internet, real life.... ALL of them say over and over that men are visual, that they can't help be attracted to hot women, that men are just biologically wired to prefer women with nice boobs and a small waist.

 

So how is it insulting to just repeat what I have been told, over and over, by men themselves??

Because it's insulting to assume that we are all like that.

 

Honestly, I'm equally as amused as I am disgusted .

[verhrzn]

So guys like to look at hot women. Big effin' deal. There is a big difference between what a guy might want to jerk off to and what he might desire in a life partner, or fall in love with.

 

Heck, I look at beautiful women too. Doesn't mean I want to date one, or even f*ck one for that matter.

 

Why the hell WOULDN'T he want a hot woman for a life partner?? If she had the good personality, why would he NOT choose her?

 

That's WHY I included smarts, independence/feminine, accomplished in my description. I am fully willing to admit a guy wants a good personality... but he wants it WITH the woman being hot to him.

 

Are you honestly arguing a guy will choose an ugly woman with a good personality over a hot woman with a good personality??

[udolipixie]

Why the hell WOULDN'T he want a hot woman for a life partner?? If she had the good personality, why would he NOT choose her?

 

That's WHY I included smarts, independence/feminine, accomplished in my description. I am fully willing to admit a guy wants a good personality... but he wants it WITH the woman being hot to him.

 

Are you honestly arguing a guy will choose an ugly woman with a good personality over a hot woman with a good personality??

 

I doubt she is or can argue such as it's highly unlikely that a guy would be in such a situation as he wouldn't have approached the ugly gal for her to be an option for him to choose from.

[verhrzn]

but don't you understand that's meaningless??? I drool over Brad Pitt but it doesn't mean I think about him after watching him in a movie 5 minutes later! It's playing, it's a game.

 

Do you find that you are able to identify other people's motives (outside dating and love, let's say) or do you take everything at face value? Serious question. Cognition is complex and nuanced, not so black and white.

 

I take most everything at face value. It's worthless to do otherwise, because I am not a mind reader and I can go round and round and round on people's motivations until I'm blue in the face.

 

Does it really matter WHY my friend gets mad at me for calling myself fat, even while she also calls me fat behind my back? No, her motivation really doesn't matter. Her behavior is what does, and her behavior isn't nice.... so what good would it do to determine her motivation for it.

 

And you MIGHT have a point about fantasy if guys didn't place such an over-emphasis on looks. If men didn't constantly rag on fat and ugly women to the point of leaning out cars just to holler insults at them.

[Treasa]

My dumbass ex, and the dumbass ex before him, want "a girlfriend." But neither of them were good enough to be with me. So there are definitely men out there like that.

 

You can't really label an entire gender. I'm not your typical 37-year-old female. While some other females my age are raising kids and whatever, I'm playing MMOs or FPSs when I'm not at work or the gym. So it's like asking if all women want to get married and have kids. No, not all of them.

 

At this point I kinda just want sex without commitment (not doing it, though), and someday I may still want kids. However, I reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow and want a relationship.

[Drseussgrrl]

I doubt she is or can argue such as it's highly unlikely that a guy would be in such a situation as he wouldn't have approached the ugly gal for her to be an option for him to choose from.

 

I don't even know what this means.

[udolipixie]

I take most everything at face value. It's worthless to do otherwise, because I am not a mind reader and I can go round and round and round on people's motivations until I'm blue in the face.

 

Does it really matter WHY my friend gets mad at me for calling myself fat, even while she also calls me fat behind my back? No, her motivation really doesn't matter. Her behavior is what does, and her behavior isn't nice.... so what good would it do to determine her motivation for it.

 

And you MIGHT have a point about fantasy if guys didn't place such an over-emphasis on looks. If men didn't constantly rag on fat and ugly women to the point of leaning out cars just to holler insults at them.

 

As well as if most dating, sex, and relationship advice for guys weren't about how to get a hot young gal.

 

Though I think what matters is why are you calling her your friend?

[ThaWholigan]

It isn't sociopaths. I see plenty of the "average day" posters, like ThaWhalogian or Pyro or Tmann posting in those same kinds of threads. That's what REALLY convinced me.... these "nice" guys were drooling over the same type of women put up by the sociopaths.

 

Which is why it's really bizarre to then have them turn around and insist not all men think the same.

 

"ThaWholigan" not.....whatever you just posted there

 

I'm not a "nice guy" either. And what same type of women are these? I like all kinds of women. I like big women, tall women, thick, occasionally I like a skinny girl, small boobs, big boobs, pretty, not so pretty etc etc. I have my tastes that are personal to me that may not be equal to another man. In fact, many of the women that I have posted up in old threads weren't exactly the same as the other guys, some of them were a lot bigger. It's not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be.

[PJKino]

It isn't sociopaths. I see plenty of the "average day" posters, like ThaWhalogian or Pyro or Tmann posting in those same kinds of threads. That's what REALLY convinced me.... these "nice" guys were drooling over the same type of women put up by the sociopaths.

 

Which is why it's really bizarre to then have them turn around and insist not all men think the same.

 

Its called "preferences" both genders have it

 

As i said if we start a thread about womens preferences which there are here youre not gonna find many at all if any say i want a short man so what we are not the ideal and yet most people i see walking around in relationships are not beautiful or IDEAL they are far from it

[udolipixie]

I don't even know what this means.

 

It means I doubt you're arguing or can argue a guy would choose 'ugly gal with a good personality' over 'hot gal with a good personality' when most guys wouldn't be in that situation since they don't approach gals they find ugly.

[ThaWholigan]

I doubt she is or can argue such as it's highly unlikely that a guy would be in such a situation as he wouldn't have approached the ugly gal for her to be an option for him to choose from.

You don't know that. There might be a man who thinks that "ugly" woman is hot.

[verhrzn]

"ThaWholigan" not.....whatever you just posted there

 

I'm not a "nice guy" either. And what same type of women are these? I like all kinds of women. I like big women, tall women, thick, occasionally I like a skinny girl, small boobs, big boobs, pretty, not so pretty etc etc. I have my tastes that are personal to me that may not be equal to another man. In fact, many of the women that I have posted up in old threads weren't exactly the same as the other guys, some of them were a lot bigger. It's not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be.

 

Go back and read my description of beauty. Liking size variety in boobs or height does NOT diverse taste make.

 

Yes, the girls you posted were "bigger," in that they weren't skinny, but they still had shapely legs, a defined butt, and a small waist.

[Drseussgrrl]

I have two friends where the guy is totally hot and his girlfriend has an average body and a rather unattractive face. Totally worships her.

 

This is another example.

[udolipixie]

You don't know that. There might be a man who thinks that "ugly" woman is hot.

 

I do know that.

 

In fact you supported my statement.

 

Him thinking she's hot shows that most guys don't approach a gal they find ugly.

[verhrzn]

Its called "preferences" both genders have it

 

As i said if we start a thread about womens preferences which there are here youre not gonna find many at all if any say i want a short man so what we are not the ideal and yet most people i see walking around in relationships are not beautiful or IDEAL they are far from it

 

I say it. I say it ALL THE DAMN TIME. I consistently like the "different" looking celebrities, and if you DID create a thread, you'd notice how women jump all over the map in terms of what they like (skinny, muscular, tall, short, bald, hair, etc.)

 

I say I like short men all the time, and I have YET to see a guy who says he just LOVES women with droopy boobs or a flat ass.