Write off a guy who did not put out?

[peytondoll]

Double standards in this forum amaze me.

 

Also another thing Ive learned about men: they are all for feminism so far as in they are only the parts of feminism that benefit them. Men are selfish. Period. I am intrigued by this stereotype that women are overly emotional and not rational. Some certainly are, but not every single one. However, the vast majority of men are only rational when it doesnt involve their dick. Really, men are the lesser evolved sex and most of the men that post of this forum arent much better than apes. The fact that it is impossible for me to have a FWB where we dont go all the way proves that. There must be something inherently wrong with me and I am just a sex object to be disposed of when you dont get every single thing you want. How many women do this however? Much fewer.

 

And Im sory OP- but taking your health very seriously is no excuse to not have a girlfriend. I work out for an hour everyday, most of the time longer on the weekends and if I wanted a boyfriend I could make time for one. However, I enjoy reading other people's rationalizations and getting inside the minds of men who will at some point try to get in my pants

Edited November 27, 2012 by peytondoll

[ThaWholigan]

Double standards in this forum amaze me.

 

Also another thing Ive learned about men: they are all for feminism so far as in they are only the parts of feminism that benefit them. Men are selfish. Period. I am intrigued by this stereotype that women are overly emotional and not rational. Some certainly are, but not every single one. However, the vast majority of men are only rational when it doesnt involve their dick. Really, men are the lesser evolved sex and most of the men that post of this forum arent much better than apes. The fact that it is impossible for me to have a FWB where we dont go all the way proves that. There must be something inherently wrong with me and I am just a sex object to be disposed of when you dont get every single thing you want. How many women do this however? Much fewer.

 

And Im sory OP- but taking your health very seriously is no excuse to not have a girlfriend. I work out for an hour everyday, most of the time longer on the weekends and if I wanted a boyfriend I could make time for one. However, I enjoy reading other people's rationalizations and getting inside the minds of men who will at some point try to get in my pants

Steady on love. There is no need to insult all of us with that "vast majority" talk. You need to stop that.

[peytondoll]

Steady on love. There is no need to insult all of us with that "vast majority" talk. You need to stop that.

 

 

Sorry ThaWholigan. Maybe if I met you in real life Id enjoy talking to you but you fall into that stereotype whole heartedly. Ive read your posts on here for awhile.

 

You also making sweeping generalizations about women as well. Thing is, I know far more women that go against your stereotype than men that go against mine...and I dont think I hang out with a particularly shallow, sexist crowd either.

[ThaWholigan]

Sorry ThaWholigan. Maybe if I met you in real life Id enjoy talking to you but you fall into that stereotype whole heartedly. Ive read your posts on here for awhile.

 

You also making sweeping generalizations about women as well. Thing is, I know far more women that go against your stereotype than men that go against mine...and I dont think I hang out with a particularly shallow, sexist crowd either.

:lmao:

 

I would kindly request you post those "sweeping generalizations" I've made about anybody, let alone women.

[ThaWholigan]

Sorry ThaWholigan. Maybe if I met you in real life Id enjoy talking to you but you fall into that stereotype whole heartedly. Ive read your posts on here for awhile.

 

You also making sweeping generalizations about women as well. Thing is, I know far more women that go against your stereotype than men that go against mine...and I dont think I hang out with a particularly shallow, sexist crowd either.

 

Furthermore, I'm intrigued by this. What stereotype is it that you think I have made?

[Nightsky]

:lmao:

 

I would kindly request you post those "sweeping generalizations" I've made about anybody, let alone women.

 

Furthermore, I'm intrigued by this. What stereotype is it that you think I have made?

 

She's already called me sexist a word that can truly only be used against men and has no real meaning. Yet look at the crap she says. Really you shouldn't try to reason with such a woman. In fact she'll write you off for any what reason. She is the woman a feminist lover like kaylan is afraid of offending. This is the heart of the issue of why he shouldn't care.

[ThaWholigan]

She's already called me sexist a word that can truly only be used against men and has no real meaning. Yet look at the crap she says. Really you shouldn't try to reason with such a woman. In fact she'll write you off for any what reason. She is the woman a feminist lover like kaylan is afraid of offending. This is the heart of the issue of why he shouldn't care.

I'm not even going to reason, I want her to tell me where I have done what she's accused me of.

[peytondoll]

She's already called me sexist a word that can truly only be used against men and has no real meaning. Yet look at the crap she says. Really you shouldn't try to reason with such a woman. In fact she'll write you off for any what reason. She is the woman a feminist lover like kaylan is afraid of offending. This is the heart of the issue of why he shouldn't care.

 

Yep, shame on me. I expect women to not be treated as sex objects unless they want to be. Oh you caught me, Im such a terrible person.

[SmileFace]

I didn't read the thread. Basing my response off the op.

 

Unless we were in a relationship are heading towards one - which it seems like that is what she may be thinking by your op, I wouldn't mind holding off on sex. Since we could be taking our time to get to know each other and this wouldn't be a problem. We would have to be exclusive at this point .

 

However as you are saying - you aren't looking for a relationship and if you told me this, I personally wouldn't even bother with you. You would be friend zoned. I don't care to have male friends that I play around in 3rd base with.

 

I am either going to be in a relationship, in FB situation or we are friends. Because from what it seems - you don't know what you want with this girl but don't want to let her go , I don't buy the pregnacy thing - if that is a problem - don't have sex. And if you don't want STDs get tested and don't have sex. I think you may just end up leading this girl on.

 

I wouldn't stay with a guy who wants to hang out as we are in a relationship and not have sex. That is just me. If we were to have sex with out a relationship - I wouldn't waste my time getting to know you and hanging out casually.

[peytondoll]

I was just thinking out loud so to "speak."

 

I just want men to be men, and women to be women. At least free to be that way instead of the egalitarian agenda we see today. Thus my comment about the lesbianization of america.

 

 

 

Sorry this isn't how dating works and you know it.

[peytondoll]

I didn't read the thread. Basing my response off the op.

 

Unless we were in a relationship are heading towards one - which it seems like that is what she may be thinking by your op, I wouldn't mind holding off on sex. Since we could be taking our time to get to know each other and this wouldn't be a problem. We would have to be exclusive at this point .

 

However as you are saying - you aren't looking for a relationship and if you told me this, I personally wouldn't even bother with you. You would be friend zoned. I don't care to have male friends that I play around in 3rd base with.

 

I am either going to be in a relationship, in FB situation or we are friends. Because from what it seems - you don't know what you want with this girl but don't want to let her go , I don't buy the pregnacy thing - if that is a problem - don't have sex. And if you don't want STDs get tested and don't have sex. I think you may just end up leading this girl on.

 

I wouldn't stay with a guy who wants to hang out as we are in a relationship and not have sex. That is just me. If we were to have sex with out a relationship - I wouldn't waste my time getting to know you and hanging out casually.

 

Thank god...its not just me that seems to think he will lead her on...most men in this situation would do that!

[SmileFace]

Thank god...its not just me that seems to think he will lead her on...most men in this situation would do that!

I really don't know what else was said in the thread but I am not surprised that many won't share my POV..lol

 

I am sorry I am not going to let a guy cake eat while he makes up his mind.

 

He isn't allowed to keep me in limbo - it is either one thing or the other.

[peytondoll]

I really don't know what else was said in the thread but I am not surprised that many won't share my POV..lol

 

I am sorry I am not going to let a guy cake eat while he makes up his mind.

 

He isn't allowed to keep me in limbo - it is either one thing or the other.

 

No youre right. Men will always have their cake and eat it too. I have a few guys that do this, but they just flat out admit theyre selfish and want to use a girl physically and will state that to girls they hook up with (which weeds out the good ones). This guy, is making every excuse under the sun to cover this up. Hes trying to be this person while being the "nice guy" at the same time. Doesnt work that way. Any guy who does this is downgraded as a douche to me.

 

When i was in college, I went through a year where I did this. But I told every single guy I was going through a selfish phase and didnt want anything. I also didnt string any of them along

[kaylan]

All this aside, am I to understand that you want to wait until date 2 or 3 to be 100% clear on where this girl stands on STD's and unplanned pregnancy ?

 

 

Do you really think these few dates are going to put your mind at ease ?

 

Lets see :

She could not know she has an STD

She could lie about it

She could be pro choice, UNTIL she's actually knocked up

 

...those are just the first three that popped into my head, sure there are many more....

This could be said about committed relationships that are long term as well.

 

We arent talking about ifs though. We are assuming both parties are sure about their views and hones too.

[kaylan]

Yep guys always want sex. Its the top of their list for everything, hence why relationships with men in their 20's is pointless. Very few are mature enough to realize sex is not everything.

Its not just men. And its not all men. But I wont put down young men or women for enjoying their natural urges and having some great sex. People have good relationships in their 20s all the time. Im sorry you didnt luck out.

Also, there is a huge double standard in this forum. Considering no one thinks anything wrong of the OP doing everything but sex with his FWB's but when a girl who does the same thing (like I did in the past) is bad because it makes men sexually frustrated.

Are you serious? Trust me this double standard isnt as real as you think. Most of those threads have people telling the female OP shes within her right...and then a few others tell her to put out. And in this thread, if you havent noticed, there were a couple of posters who were rather dismissive of my thread. And there were a couple who agreed theyd be annoyed if a guy did what my OP suggests.

 

In all of these threads you get two different opinions on the matter.

I wouldnt mind having a FWB with a guy...but Id want to do everything but sex (Im selective about who I let stick his dong inside me...most men today sleep around too much) but I tell ya....VERY FEW men would be okay with that. I had so many men get passive aggressive and degrading and nasty with me when I wouldnt go all the way...and I TOLD THEM beforehand.

Thats the thing...Im not holding off on sex indefinitely like you are. Its only for a meeting or few. Personally I feel its dumb and pointless to indefinitely do everything but sex. If a girl lets me go down on her, we might as well screw eventually. And in my experience, Im good enough that and our overall chemistry that most girls will just want to do the whole deed eventually.

[SmileFace]

So if you aren't holding off on sex in the long run.... what is the question?

 

Are you holding off on sex until you know she is clean and doesn't want kids?

 

Because that may just be common sense.

[gaius]

Care to elaborate?

Not a woman I know would enjoy being turned down for sex when they were ready and working up to it. Even if you had an excuse. In fact they would find it deeply insulting. Once you deeply insult a woman it can be hard to keep the relationship going.

 

I don't believe the women here who say they wouldn't care if they were going out with a guy and he turned them down for sex when they wanted it.

[kaylan]

Not a woman I know would enjoy being turned down for sex when they were ready and working up to it. Even if you had an excuse. In fact they would find it deeply insulting. Once you deeply insult a woman it can be hard to keep the relationship going.

 

I don't believe the women here who say they wouldn't care if they were going out with a guy and he turned them down for sex when they wanted it.

And thats the big double standard in the sex game. Guys are expected to have sex whenever some women want it, or her immature ego takes a huge hit.

I didn't read the thread. Basing my response off the op.

 

Unless we were in a relationship are heading towards one - which it seems like that is what she may be thinking by your op, I wouldn't mind holding off on sex. Since we could be taking our time to get to know each other and this wouldn't be a problem. We would have to be exclusive at this point .

You really arent following me, so lets clear some things up.

 

We arent heading towards a relationship. I met her at a party. Talked a little there, got her number, and have been texting the last week or so. We barely know anything about one another.

However as you are saying - you aren't looking for a relationship and if you told me this, I personally wouldn't even bother with you. You would be friend zoned. I don't care to have male friends that I play around in 3rd base with.

???Ever care to think that maybe she is looking for casual enjoyment as well? Why have you and another poster here stated how youd be done with me for not being open to a relationship? Um ok...but Im not trying to date you, im trying to date this other girl who may very well be ok with what I want.

 

I am either going to be in a relationship, in FB situation or we are friends. Because from what it seems - you don't know what you want with this girl but don't want to let her go , I don't buy the pregnacy thing - if that is a problem - don't have sex. And if you don't want STDs get tested and don't have sex. I think you may just end up leading this girl on.

How do I not know what I want? Did you read my posts properly?

 

I said I definitely want to have sex, but not right away after our first hang out before we know std status, feelings about pregnancy, and possibly what we may have going on on the side.

 

Id have NO problem letting this girl go because I barely know her. Weve met ONCE, and only texted so far. And wow...you dont buy the pregnancy thing? Really...seeing as a child could ruin my whole life right now, in what world are you living where its unbelievable that a young guy could be mature about sex and pregnancy? We arent that rare.

 

If you saw my posts, I have said Im upfront and honest about my intentions. And if she happens to want something different from what I want, I wont hook up with her.

I wouldn't stay with a guy who wants to hang out as we are in a relationship and not have sex. That is just me. If we were to have sex with out a relationship - I wouldn't waste my time getting to know you and hanging out casually.

Its called FWB for a reason. People like the comfort of having a friend they trust, and can have sex with, but without all the drama or strings of a relationship. Ok cool, its not for you...but plenty of people do it...and plenty of people dont want to have a "wham, bam thank you mam" with someone they are sleeping with. Some want a connection even outside of a relationship.

So if you aren't holding off on sex in the long run.... what is the question?

 

Are you holding off on sex until you know she is clean and doesn't want kids?

 

Because that may just be common sense.

YES. Duh lol. But like gaius said...some women dont deal well with rejection at all. Part of that has to do with many men being so desperate for sex and setting a precedent that all men will want any sex thrown at them. And another part of that has to do with a womans sexual ego that results from male sexual behavior.

Edited November 27, 2012 by kaylan

[SmileFace]

Duh, my ass Kaylan.

 

First things first - your question was what will women think. I don't care to date you, however wouldn't my response be from what I think? It isn't about me dating you or anyone else on this board dating you for that matter. How you got that from my wording is beyond me. I should talk from the stance of someone else from now on so my posts can be to your liking so you won't get the horrid idea that I am talking about me dating you. If want to know what she really wants go ask her and don't start a thread about it.

 

I couldn't follow your op since it was misleading. Any grown person will have enough sense to check these things before sex and have enough sense to tell a girl this if she questions it. Your question was way off from what you meant to ask. You just wanted to make your self seem important as if you were withholding from sex so get over yourself dude..K!

 

Plus - you mention how common FWB are ... I hope you also see all the girls who run to ls complaining about being led on. So sorry that isn't something I will take part of. Plus I don't know what someone else saying about rejection has to do with anything I posted.

[kaylan]

Duh, my ass Kaylan.

 

First things first - your question was what will women think. I don't care to date you, however wouldn't my response be from what I think? It isn't about me dating you or anyone else on this board dating you for that matter. How you got that from my wording is beyond me. I should talk from the stance of someone else from now on so my posts can be to your liking so you won't get the horrid idea that I am talking about me dating you. If want to know what she really wants go ask her and don't start a thread about it.

Ill ask her once we have actually hung out duh. All I simply wanted to know from this thread is if sex would be expected if I so happened to end up at her place after a night or drinks and dancing.

I couldn't follow your op since it was misleading. Any grown person will have enough sense to check these things before sex and have enough sense to tell a girl this if she questions it. Your question was way off from what you meant to ask. You just wanted to make your self seem important as if you were withholding from sex so get over yourself dude..K!

Wow...you clearly misunderstood the OP. It CLEARLY asks if girls will have a problem with a guy not going for sex if she brings him home early on in their dating...especially considering taking someone home after a night out usually leads to sex.

 

I dont need to get over myself. You need to learn to read whats written.

 

Also, not many people checks things regarding stds and pregnancy before sex...which is exactly why so many people get stds and unplanned pregnancies. Sure you could say they have no sense...but the people with sense know that those topics are awkward and hard to bring up when caught up a moment. Which is why I think its better to wait till after hanging a few times, since by then it should have come up more easily.

Plus - you mention how common FWB are ... I hope you also see all the girls who run to ls complaining about being led on. So sorry that isn't something I will take part of. Plus I don't know what someone else saying about rejection has to do with anything I posted.

Yes I know girls who complain about being led on. It still doesnt mean they arent plenty out there who are enjoying flings. I see it all the time.

 

If you actually read the thread past the first post and wasnt lazy, youd see I specifically said I dont lie or lead women on. So if youre worried about taking part in something, maybe youll learn how to properly take part in a thread in the future by not jumping to unfounded conclusions about my character.

Edited November 27, 2012 by kaylan

[SmileFace]

Why do I need to read anything outside of the op? I even took my time to mention that initially incase I missed something. I posted 5 pages in... I am surprised I didn't only reply to the thread title. Since that is all I actually read most the times when you post anyway. Lazy because I didn't want to read 5 pages of text... mmmm,k.

 

How do you consider this dating? Early on in dating -- you already know it isn't going to be a relationship. I am sorry that it is common that people don't have these awkward conversations but I do and I can only base my opinion off of what I do. Pregnancy and Stds aren't new things - they are discussed.

 

And I never said people don't enjoy FWB or that you are leading her on since I don't think that is your intention but that doesn't mean she wouldn't be led on. Come on Kay, you see girls post here all the time talking about a guy treating them like a friend but since he is having sex with them - they get the impression of a relationship. I barely ever blame the guys in these instances so please don't act as if I am judging your intentions.

 

I still think you op was misleading - your question could have easily said, "when do you discuss pregnancy and STDs with some when casually dating?" However you went into so long drawn out story and get mad that I replied YOUR original message. Next time p.m me the cliff notes from each of your thread's pages - K!

[peytondoll]

Its not just men. And its not all men. But I wont put down young men or women for enjoying their natural urges and having some great sex. People have good relationships in their 20s all the time. Im sorry you didnt luck out.

 

Are you serious? Trust me this double standard isnt as real as you think. Most of those threads have people telling the female OP shes within her right...and then a few others tell her to put out. And in this thread, if you havent noticed, there were a couple of posters who were rather dismissive of my thread. And there were a couple who agreed theyd be annoyed if a guy did what my OP suggests.

 

In all of these threads you get two different opinions on the matter.

 

Thats the thing...Im not holding off on sex indefinitely like you are. Its only for a meeting or few. Personally I feel its dumb and pointless to indefinitely do everything but sex. If a girl lets me go down on her, we might as well screw eventually. And in my experience, Im good enough that and our overall chemistry that most girls will just want to do the whole deed eventually.

 

I highly doubt you will be able to find a good relationship with your tactics. Men that go into FWB's never turn those women into gf's. Thats repeated over and over on this forum and Ive seen one case in my entire life where a guy was ****ing a girl and was "Oh! Ill be in a relationship with you now!"

 

I dont see that its pointless for a guy to go down on me but not have sex with me. Most men sleep around and condoms dont protect against all STD's, let alone diseases that harm a woman's fertility and I would know. I have never met a guy that tried to get a FWB situation with me that was a decent guy that didnt sleep around. My first job was at Planned Parenthood and I saw all sorts of crap.

Also, you cannot build chemistry. Its either there or not. Some women will pick up on the fact youre using them as a sex object and will be turned off. You will find a few not like this- have at it. But they are VERY likely to not be good quality girls. But again, not sure why I am bothering to say that. You dont want a good quality girl...you just want a hole.

 

I did luck out btw. If you read any of my posts I stated I had several FWB's when I was younger and none of them burned me. None of them were what i considered relationship material (I dont think you are either) and I never got attached... and when a few asked me to be their girlfriend I could not take them seriously

Edited November 27, 2012 by peytondoll

[kaylan]

Why do I need to read anything outside of the op? I even took my time to mention that initially incase I missed something. I posted 5 pages in... I am surprised I didn't only reply to the thread title. Since that is all I actually read most the times when you post anyway. Lazy because I didn't want to read 5 pages of text... mmmm,k.

Why read outside the OP? Well it prevents you from making unfounded assumptions about my character or intentions. If you enjoy looking stupid by generalizing me based on my gender, then dont read. I didnt say you needed to read 5 pages....its just common for people to at least read the first page. Suit yourself.

 

How do you consider this dating? Early on in dating -- you already know it isn't going to be a relationship. I am sorry that it is common that people don't have these awkward conversations but I do and I can only base my opinion off of what I do. Pregnancy and Stds aren't new things - they are discussed.

Dating for me means any kinda of hanging out that involves some form of romantic interest. My situation would be casual dating once I hang with this girl. We already know there is interest in one another.

 

I am glad you discuss stds and pregnancy early on without awkwardness. Its a shame more people dont.

And I never said people don't enjoy FWB or that you are leading her on since I don't think that is your intention but that doesn't mean she wouldn't be led on. Come on Kay, you see girls post here all the time talking about a guy treating them like a friend but since he is having sex with them - they get the impression of a relationship. I barely ever blame the guys in these instances so please don't act as if I am judging your intentions.

If Im honest from the get go, like I had said earlier, she wont be led on. She cant be led on if I tell her what Im looking for right from the start.

 

The difference between me and guys in those other threads, is that I will straight up tell a girl what I am or am not looking for. And if I can sense shes not on the same page with me, I will back off. Most guys will have sex with the girl because she said shes ok with their arrangement, even if he can tell she wants more. I wont do that.

I still think you op was misleading - your question could have easily said, "when do you discuss pregnancy and STDs with some when casually dating?" However you went into so long drawn out story and get mad that I replied YOUR original message. Next time p.m me the cliff notes from each of your thread's pages - K!

Misleading? not at all. It asks a clear question. I know exactly when I want to talk to a girl about stds and pregnancy...so that wasnt my question. My question was whether or not women would be put off by a guy who came home with them and didnt have sex.

[kaylan]

I highly doubt you will be able to find a good relationship with your tactics. Men that go into FWB's never turn those women into gf's. Thats repeated over and over on this forum and Ive seen one case in my entire life where a guy was ****ing a girl and was "Oh! Ill be in a relationship with you now!"

Meh, I already know you are jaded when it comes to men and dating. So based on your posts, your doubt of my being able to find a good relationship doesnt concern me.

 

When you consider a lot of people are physical with each other before the commitment part of dating, Id call those FWBs turning into a relationship.

 

I dont see that its pointless for a guy to go down on me but not have sex with me. Most men sleep around and condoms dont protect against all STD's, let alone diseases that harm a woman's fertility and I would know. I have never met a guy that tried to get a FWB situation with me that was a decent guy that didnt sleep around. My first job was at Planned Parenthood and I saw all sorts of crap.

Well good luck finding a guy whos ok with oral and no sex for a long time. I can understand doing that for a little while, but even I know a woman wouldnt put up with me doing that more than a few times.

 

And most guys sleep around? Are you serious? Thats so false. Most guys dont even have the ability to sleep around. Planned Parenthood isnt representative of the entire population. Its filled with people who dont make smart sex decisions.

 

Also, you cannot build chemistry. Its either there or not. Some women will pick up on the fact youre using them as a sex object and will be turned off. You will find a few not like this- have at it. But they are VERY likely to not be good quality girls. But again, not sure why I am bothering to say that. You dont want a good quality girl...you just want a hole.

Id argue that chemistry can be built if theres at least a decent attraction foundation. Chemistry can definitely increase as you learn what each other likes in sex.

 

And who is anyone trying to use as a sex object? I hope you dont mean me because I specifically said I want more than a pump and dump. Im not using a girl as a sex object if Im trying to connect with her beyond mechanical sex.

 

You sure do seem better, because instead of reading my OP for what it is, you are emotional and upset that a guy dare wants to have sex with a girl without committing to her. In what way do I only want a hole if I said I want to make love to this girl, connect with her on a friendship and emotional level?

 

If I was just wanting to hump away and get my orgasm, then shed be just a hole. But I never said I wanted just that. Stop putting words in my mouth, and stop hearing what you want to hear because your bitter about men.

I did luck out btw. If you read any of my posts I stated I had several FWB's when I was younger and none of them burned me. None of them were what i considered relationship material (I dont think you are either) and I never got attached... and when a few asked me to be their girlfriend I could not take them seriously

Honey, if you really lucked out in dating, you wouldnt be so negative and bitter.

 

And trust me, if you knew me in real life, youd love to be with me, because I treat my girlfriends fabulously. Not that it really matter if you dont think Im relationship material. I know Id be a great boyfriend, but I chose not to be anyones boyfriend at the moment.

 

Its funny how you pass judgment on me and the guys you used to have FWBs with as not being relationship material...yet youll deride me as using women for just holes and leading them on when they want more...when you did that exact thing to the guys you used to fvk. Talk about a hypocrite.

[SmileFace]

If I was the first to reply to your thread - I would only have the op to go by right?, so I am not sure who actually looks stupid here since you are unnecessarily calling me stupid. When you can clearly seen that my intial response stated that I didn't read anything outside of the op.

 

Since if you must know - I wrote the reply when the thread was posted but forgot to submit since I recieved a call at work. However you decided to not only reply to my initial response but my second response in the same post where you can obviously see that my initial response was missing some information.

 

Plus I never generalized you by your gender. I didn't make any assumptions - you have been on this board long enough for me to have a opinion on what I know of you. I already said I didn't say anything about your intentions so please don't act as if I said anything about you. My second comment was in response to someone else and I never said it about you.

 

Plus from what I know - you can tell this girl that you don't even want a relationship with her and she can twist it any way she wants and let her self get lead on. That comment wasn't about guys leading girls on but girls letting themselves get lead on. So again I was not talking about your intentions in regards to letting a girl know it as it is.

 

Kaylan if you end up at some chicks house and you tell her that you rather wait until you both have discussed stds and pregnacy and she opposes or feel rejected. You should run for the hills. I personally don't see how that isn't a common thing. You should be put off if you mentioned this and she was put off. Do you get my point there?