mesmerized Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I don't know, mesmerized. My friends tend to be like me--natural, fit, obsessed with other things. One of my closest friends is a 28 year old woman, married 2 years now. Her husband is desirable. She only very rarely wears make up, and usually they are doing things together (their shared passion) which are not compatible with getting "dolled up". Where do you live? Its funny cause I know a guy with a fit woman around her age and they appear to have a great life but he tells me that he wishes his wife dolled up more. Im not claiming every single man is the like that but the majority certainly are and it's not smart to play against the odds.
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah, they just cheat on the side I'm not saying all men cheat, or that women don't cheat. But when men do cheat, they are less likely to leave for their affair partner. Women are more likely to leave for the new guy. But we are applying for different positions. Men are applying for sex partner. Women are applying for relationship partner. Tough, either way! So you've finally admitted that not all men cheat but you still believe that all men just want sex Check this, I'm willing to bet that nowadays it's easier for guys to find a girl for casual sex than somebody who wants to be in a committed monogamous relationship. woman do have it pretty bad. The one's looking to get wifed up that is. but it's because they can't tell the difference between ONS guy & RELATIONSHIP guy. Actually, they can tell the difference, they just choose to ignore it then say they couldn't tell the difference when it blows up in their face on the first date. literally, then he zips up & leaves. They keep accepting dates with guys whose dicks have traveled the equivalent distance of the Holland tunnel (round trip) then get pissed & upset the guy is only interested in sleeping with them. Well duh. Then when they hit their late 30's/early 40's they creep on all the decent guys they blew off/rejected/friendzoned ect. on facebook, see how successful & happy they are with their families & then ask themselves "gee, I wonder why we never got together". I honestly do feel sorry for a lot of women my age that are single/never married some with kids, some without & some with two kids from different fathers & both are dead-beat dads. This, so much this. If the guys she dates only want sex, then she needs to take a look at the guys she's actually going out with. There are guys out there who do want to be in exclusive relationships, but they aren't exciting don't give her butterflys and crap like that, so they get ignored. So women care about their looks for men. They care about edging out the competition, so that men will choose them. Women know how visual men are; they know men care about how we look. This is why women care about how they look. When I'm going to a female friend's house to watch a movie or drink wine, I sure don't care about my looks. I throw on yoga pants and go. Women don't obsess about their looks because they care about what other women think. I care about how I look for ME and in the hopes of attracting a man. In what world do women have to compete with each other for men? Oh wait, women have to compete when they are fighting for the top 20% of men. So women are complaining that they have to make themselves hot to get the top guys, and then they complain that he just wants sex. No sh*t, what did you think would happen? No they don't. The problem is you guys see it as "work". We all can't be tall and good looking. One of the most attractive qualities a man can have is to actually enjoy and appreciate women, and not see dating, sex, and relationships as "work." LOL what is this?! Love women and they will love you back? Do I really need to point out how asinine that is? Where this train of thought really goes off the rails is when some women mistakenly compare a man paying for dates to a woman "needing" to spend a ton of $$ on makeup, manicures, clothes, hair, etc. in order to attract a man or be dateable. It's not the same thing at all. I don't believe that most men actually care about the "dolled up babe." A woman can get just as much mileage with men out of the way she looks by spending little as when she chooses to spend a lot. He has no idea whether she got her makeup at Neiman Marcus or Rite-Aid. Most of us (me included) buy into all the plethora of "girly" stuff that is marketed to us because we like it. Wow, I actually agree with Mme. Chaucer Men just want a girl who looks clean, doesn't smell bad and at least tries to make herself look presentable (meaning she brushes her hair and stuff like that.) Everything else is superfluous.
SmileFace Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 So you've finally admitted that not all men cheat but you still believe that all men just want sex Check this, I'm willing to bet that nowadays it's easier for guys to find a girl for casual sex than somebody who wants to be in a committed monogamous relationship. This, so much this. If the guys she dates only want sex, then she needs to take a look at the guys she's actually going out with. There are guys out there who do want to be in exclusive relationships, but they aren't exciting don't give her butterflys and crap like that, so they get ignored. In what world do women have to compete with each other for men? Oh wait, women have to compete when they are fighting for the top 20% of men. So women are complaining that they have to make themselves hot to get the top guys, and then they complain that he just wants sex. No sh*t, what did you think would happen? We all can't be tall and good looking. LOL what is this?! Love women and they will love you back? Do I really need to point out how asinine that is? Wow, I actually agree with Mme. Chaucer Men just want a girl who looks clean, doesn't smell bad and at least tries to make herself look presentable (meaning she brushes her hair and stuff like that.) Everything else is superfluous. Yet you won't date a fat girl. So don't you want attraction which is the same as butterflies? So aren't you chasing a % of women too? 2
xxoo Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Where do you live? Its funny cause I know a guy with a fit woman around her age and they appear to have a great life but he tells me that he wishes his wife dolled up more. Im not claiming every single man is the like that but the majority certainly are and it's not smart to play against the odds. That's what date nights are for! It is the obsession that is unattractive and unnecessary. I'd even go as far to say that it attracts the wrong sort of guy: the shallowest kind, always looking for the next best thing.
maybealone Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 They don't really act like they do. The guy is usually way more affectionate and loving than the girl from what I've seen in relationships. The man is usuallly first to bring up exclusivity, and start initiate kisses, hugs and holdng hands and all that stuff. This is what guys talk about? I don't even know any women that talk to their girlfriends in such detail. It's behind doors that counts the most. And in any story about any relationship, you usually are only hearing one side of that story.
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yet you won't date a fat girl. So don't you want attraction which is the same as butterflies? So aren't you chasing a % of women too? No matter how many dozens of times this is pointed out to him, he continues to refuse or be incapable of understanding that the women he's encountered who are not interested in dating him are simply exercising their own preferences, just like he does. Yet, for some reason, when they do it they somehow victimizing him. When he does it … not so much. 2
xxoo Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 So you've finally admitted that not all men cheat but you still believe that all men just want sex I think you have me confused with someone else I have never suggested that even most men cheat! Or that men just want sex. 1
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yet you won't date a fat girl. So don't you want attraction which is the same as butterflies? So aren't you chasing a % of women too? Yeah I'm chasing 80% of the women in my age range. Maybe 85% Please tell me who it's the same as only wanting the top 20% of guys.
maybealone Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 LOL what is this?! Love women and they will love you back? Do I really need to point out how asinine that is? I can tell the difference between a guy who wants sex and homecooked meals and a guy who genuinely wants a best friend. And if you had ever been with a women who genuinely adores men vs. being with a woman who just needs a man, I think you would know the difference. 1
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I think you have me confused with someone else I have never suggested that even most men cheat! Or that men just want sex. How else am I supposed to interpret But we are applying for different positions. Men are applying for sex partner. Women are applying for relationship partner. ?
SmileFace Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah I'm chasing 80% of the women in my age range. Maybe 85% Please tell me who it's the same as only wanting the top 20% of guys. It wouldn't matter if you was chasing 99%. You are still chasing a percentage like the rest of us. It makes no difference.
ThaWholigan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 We all can't be tall and good looking. I was waiting for someone to be an idiot and say that SOCIAL ENGINEERING BABY!
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I can tell the difference between a guy who wants sex and homecooked meals and a guy who genuinely wants a best friend. And if you had ever been with a women who genuinely adores men vs. being with a woman who just needs a man, I think you would know the difference. So I guess getting punched in the face is an expression of love?
xxoo Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 How else am I supposed to interpret ? I was using your analogy, SD. We are "applying" for the thing we find difficult to achieve. That doesn't mean it is all we care about. Of course women also care about sex, and men also care about relationships--but we find those things easier to achieve, respectively, and thus don't need to "apply" for that "job".
ThaWholigan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah I'm chasing 80% of the women in my age range. Maybe 85% Please tell me who it's the same as only wanting the top 20% of guys. Please, you and the other guys sound like retards when you start talking about this mythical top 20% 1
maybealone Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah I'm chasing 80% of the women in my age range. Maybe 85% With all this chasing and work you are putting in to find a woman to date/have sex with, I am incredibly surprised that you have enough free time left to continually post here. 4
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 It wouldn't matter if you was chasing 99%. You are still chasing a percentage like the rest of us. It makes no difference. Come on smile, you're smarter than this. I was waiting for someone to be an idiot and say that SOCIAL ENGINEERING BABY! How am I being an idiot for saying the truth? Are you denying that women want to be physically attracted to a man? Are you denying that you are physically attractive to women?
mesmerized Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah I'm chasing 80% of the women in my age range. Maybe 85% Please tell me who it's the same as only wanting the top 20% of guys. No you're not. Something like 60+ percent of women your age range are obese and overweight. 1
SmileFace Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Come on smile, you're smarter than this. Haha....either way the 20% crap is crap and you know it. 1
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I was using your analogy, SD. We are "applying" for the thing we find difficult to achieve. That doesn't mean it is all we care about. Of course women also care about sex, and men also care about relationships--but we find those things easier to achieve, respectively, and thus don't need to "apply" for that "job". Xxoo, that is the whole premise of this thread, that women think men have it easier in getting a relationship. There is no truth behind that thought. Yes, certain guys do have it easier. That doesn't apply to the majority of men. With all this chasing and work you are putting in to find a woman to date/have sex with, I am incredibly surprised that you have enough free time left to continually post here. Oooh burn. You so funny
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) No you're not. Something like 60+ percent of women your age range are obese and overweight. Maybe you should move out of Fatopia. I don't live in a place where 60% of women are obese. It's amazing that people get all on my case for not wanting to date a fat girl and then they say that almost all women are fat. I only want to date women that I don't think are fat, and to me that is ~80% of women in my range. Edited November 25, 2012 by somedude81
xxoo Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Xxoo, that is the whole premise of this thread, that women think men have it easier in getting a relationship. There is no truth behind that thought. Yes, certain guys do have it easier. That doesn't apply to the majority of men. It does apply to the majority. Most men date, SD. It is pretty rare for a man to not be able to date at all. You could date and have a girlfriend right now, but you aren't attracted to the women who want that from you. The opposite is true for women and sex. 1
sweetjasmine Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 He has no idea whether she got her makeup at Neiman Marcus or Rite-Aid. Absolutely, but he does have an idea whether she's wearing any at all and he probably does care to some extent. I don't wear makeup very often since I'd find it an annoying chore (and waste of money, tbh) to put it on every single day. But I've had people - including men - ask me why I don't wear makeup or why I don't get mani-pedis and why I don't do this or that or the other thing with my hair. Because every other woman in my age group does it, so I'm an outlier and should have an explanation for it. My 12 year old (!) stepdaughter is already feeling like she has to wear makeup because her friends are doing it and she wants boys to notice her, too. When I was 12, no one wore makeup unless it was for a play or dance recital. Even my H cares about this stuff, which has always surprised me a little bit. When I do get "dolled up," he often asks me why I don't do it more often and tells me that I look even more beautiful with makeup on. He doesn't mean it in a negative way, and I don't really take offense to it, but he shares the attitudes I've seen in men in their 20s and 30s that when a woman primps and preens, she's showing you that she cares. And when I started painting my nails again after a 2 or 3 year hiatus, he asked me why I don't do that more often, as he happens to think it looks nice on my hands. I was thinking he wouldn't even notice or care. It's just fingernails. When I was asking him about this stuff a long time ago, he shared a story with me about an ex. He was returning from a deployment and was going to see her for the first time in months. When he got out and saw her, he noticed she wasn't wearing any makeup. He said it really upset him that she "didn't put in any effort" to pretty herself up and it made him feel like she didn't really care and wasn't really looking forward to seeing him. All because she didn't get dolled up for her man. Maybe it was a little different in the past, but these days, the primping and preening is pretty much expected, and it's starting at a younger age than ever before. Even the "natural" look some men prefer involves more makeup and hair removal than in the past. You can reject all of that and do your own thing, and it won't doom you to a life of misery and loneliness, but I really do think that the number of people who don't care about this kind of grooming is smaller now than in the past. 1
mesmerized Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Maybe you should move out of Fatopia. I don't live in a place where 60% of women are obese. It's amazing that people get all on my case for not wanting to date a fat girl and then they say that almost all women are fat. I only want to date women that I don't think are fat, and too me that is ~80% of women in my range. Haha, I actually live in fitopia. But the stats in US do not look good.
somedude81 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Haha....either way the 20% crap is crap and you know it. All I know is that a very small number of men have women throwing themselves at them. Everything is easy for these men.
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