dreamerisland Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Though, women are usually the genders initiating the divorce, and couldn't be happier when they do. You rarely hear about the men approaching their wives saying, "I want a divorce".When men ask for a divorce it's either cause they know she is cheating or cause she is too cold to be loved. And in both cases the women are shocked when a man leaves them. They figure whatever they do is ok and the man should just accept it.
Hawakai Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 You have to remember women only see the men that they see as attractive. If you are not attractive-to her-you don't exist. That's why they think men have it easier cause they are literally throwing themselves at the men they find attractive. I've actually wondered this. There are so many articles out there from women who are angry at men, for not ''maning-up.'' Or how men don't want commitment. Seen plenty of said articles crying that men can have sex so easily, no guy is going to want to commit/marry. It's "booze o'clock" on a recent Thursday night on New York's Fire Island—a rolling, inexact hour when 10 vacationing guys decide to kick off their nightly binge. Between tequila shots and pulls of beer, the sun-baked twentysomethings roar on the deck of their rented beach house, sounding the depths of maledom: sexual conquests, mastery of fire ("I'll grill that potato salad") and escape from the monotony of girlfriends and work. "I like starting things," says one guy, as if to sum up his generation. "Then it gets boring." Why Young Men Delay Adulthood to Stay in "Guyland" - Newsweek and The Daily Beast The only guys I see living that lifestyle are Alpha.
maybealone Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 When a man is attractive he doesn't need to ask women on a date. When the guy is average, asking a woman on a date is pointless. He's either rejected or he's just gonna get used for a free meal. What's a guy supposed to do? Ask another woman on a date? This college has thousands of female students but word gets around, especially since women form social networks within colleges and what one guy tries to do, every girl finds out. I'd be considered ''desperate'' if I was to ask on a date every woman I am attracted to. So in other words, the answer to the question "What have you done this week to get a date" is "Nothing."
Hawakai Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 So in other words, the answer to the question "What have you done this week to get a date" is "Nothing." What's the point of bashing my head against a wall? The wall's not gonna break, my head is, and I need it.
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Dear OP: I wonder. Inside your heart, are you truly wishing and hoping to have a girlfriend someday? A girl who really likes you for who you are, and cares about your well-being, and for whom you have the same feelings? I have a sense that you do, so I'll offer you some advice: You are very far off base in all of your pre-conceived notions about what women are like. Also, you are very young and inexperienced; I think you should be smart enough to realize that you can't possibly know much about women / relationships or even really basic dating. I don't even believe you have enough "bad" experiences to rationalize being a bitter guy. So, why don't you drop it all and pay attention? If you will, I predict a relationship with a girl you really like and who likes you in your future. But you'll have to open up and look at things a lot differently.
ThaWholigan Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 I aint gonna lie, I've been making it look kinda easy recently..... 3
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 I aint gonna lie, I've been making it look kinda easy recently..... So, it's all YOUR fault that we women all think this. Bad. 3
maybealone Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 What's the point of bashing my head against a wall? The wall's not gonna break, my head is, and I need it. I'm not bashing anyone's head against any wall. But if this was a job seekers forum with complaints about how workers cannot find work, there would be a difference between the person complaining who sent out one resume for a CEO position a year ago and the person complaining who regularly sends out resumes to jobs he is qualified for. 2
Hawakai Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 I'm not bashing anyone's head against any wall. But if this was a job seekers forum with complaints about how workers cannot find work, there would be a difference between the person complaining who sent out one resume for a CEO position a year ago and the person complaining who regularly sends out resumes to jobs he is qualified for. You're correct to a certain extent. Nevertheless, women have dozens of applicants per day. On my way to college I have to stand in line, I have to wait for the bus and for the train, and I notice that even the women who are nothing special are constantly approached. By guys who are good-looking and what not. These guys might be looking for an easy lay, yeah, but even so I don't see the average man who approaches the average woman getting even a reply to his ''hi.''
zebracolors Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Apples and Oranges, everyone. I can pee anywhere, don't have babies, get paid more, live in a system slanted towards men, less prone to a multitude of health risks, and I'm not crazy. It's not the same hand of cards, and the argument comparing them is fruitless. Get over it OP and whoever feels so strongly about this hoooooorrrrible and slanted world of dating we live in. Doesn't matter anyways, most people (men and women) are stupid anyways, so however many times these stupid people chase each other doesn't effect my sniper-shot ratings Hawaii, on the nose. From an evolutionary standpoint, women have more potential investment risk to get from sex then men do. Yes, I mean becoming pregnant. And this is potentially a burden on her, unless the plan was to start a family. Men though technically can choose to not have anything to do with it after he has sowed his seed, leaving behind all the emotions that come with it. So don't wonder why many women feel that men have it easier. I would think this is why women tend to be attracted to stable and successful men. 1
maybealone Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 You're correct to a certain extent. Nevertheless, women have dozens of applicants per day. On my way to college I have to stand in line, I have to wait for the bus and for the train, and I notice that even the women who are nothing special are constantly approached. By guys who are good-looking and what not. These guys might be looking for an easy lay, yeah, but even so I don't see the average man who approaches the average woman getting even a reply to his ''hi.'' But that's not dating, which is what this thread is about. I have been single roughly six months. For me, on any given day during that time that I have been out and about, I get looked at or even leered at by three or four guys. In any given week, I get "approached" by two or three guys. I have not been asked out on a date by anyone. So I might have people looking at the job ad, but no one is actually sending in a resume.
USMCHokie Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 But that's not dating, which is what this thread is about. I have been single roughly six months. For me, on any given day during that time that I have been out and about, I get looked at or even leered at by three or four guys. In any given week, I get "approached" by two or three guys. I have not been asked out on a date by anyone. So I might have people looking at the job ad, but no one is actually sending in a resume. This is conditioned on the assumption that dating is a one way street, i.e., it is initiated only by the man. Akin to your employment analogy, companies often have recruiters, right? Those who actively seek out viable candidates rather than sit and wait for resumes to come in...?
Necris Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Women do have it easier in a way in the dating arena, unlike men the average woman does not have to approach, men come to her and its her job to try to sift through them and find the guy she really likes. While the man has to do most of the work like approaching her, trying to convince her in some way he's the guy she's looking for, holding her attention, etc. Women may think men have it easier because some men are capable of finding the girls they want while alot of women who normally take a more passive role may keep going with bad guy after bad guy after bad guy but that's because they either actually like going with those kind of guys or because of their more passive role they take and unwillingness to face rejection they do not approach the guys they want. Now in my own experience dating for me has been impossible and I'm a guy, women just aren't attracted to me in the slightest so I don't feel like dating is easier for me, but I feel like I can't really do much about it besides accept it, and just forget about it. Some guys worry about if they can have sex with the girl or not, for me I'm not even trying to have sex at all, I'm a virgin I can wait even if it takes years, I'm more concerned with just getting a 1st date which seems to be near impossible as I've only had a handful of dates in my lifetime but a ton of rejections. Edited November 24, 2012 by Necris
USMCHokie Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Women do have it easier in a way in the dating arena, unlike men the average woman does not have to approach, men come to her and its her job to try to sift through them and find the guy she really likes. While the man has to do most of the work like approaching her, trying to convince her in some way he's the guy she's looking for, holding her attention, etc. Women may think men have it easier because some men are capable of finding the girls they want while alot of women who normally take a more passive role may keep going with bad guy after bad guy after bad guy but that's because they either actually like going with those kind of guys or because of their more passive role they take and unwillingness to face rejection they do not approach the guys they want. This is an interesting observation on passivity, and one that I think might transcend gender. Notice who complains the most about dating being tough...women who complain that they don't get asked out by men, and the men who don't ask out women. Perhaps it's those who play a solely passive role in dating, regardless of gender, who have it the toughest... 3
Necris Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 This is an interesting observation on passivity, and one that I think might transcend gender. Notice who complains the most about dating being tough...women who complain that they don't get asked out by men, and the men who don't ask out women. Perhaps it's those who play a solely passive role in dating, regardless of gender, who have it the toughest... If you're a guy and not asking out women yet complaining that you can't get a date, you just need to realize this is just how it is, as a man you are expected to ask out the girl, so you can't really complain. If you're a woman you need to realize that if you want to better your odds in finding the guy you want you need to actually put in some effort and perhaps face rejection as well. Now for those like myself who do ask out girls and you are just constantly rejected then I can see the frustration. Though complaining still doesn't really help, I've grown to accept that I'm just not attractive to women in some way so while I'll continue to try, I'm not expecting anything really.
Napoolion Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Don't whine please. Nothing good comes with easy. Don't concentrate on your looks. Concentrate on self-confidence and don't be afraid to fail. Even better, Fail faster. You will learn faster. Don't take rejection personally. Learn from mistakes, try again. Persistence is the key here my friend.
Necris Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 If I had this mindset I would of blown my brains out a long time ago. This is overly cynical in my opinion (and I'm pretty cynical). Any man who feels this way is clearly targeting the top 20% of women who most men want. If you are willing to take a fatter, older or uglier woman, you can do fine. YES.. if you're only willing to date hot babes.. then you're gonna have to work hard and be impressive either physically, financially or socially. Simple as that. What if average and even a little below average women do not want you, then what? Also why would you feel like committing suicide if you can't get girls? I'm kind of pessimistic and while I feel women just aren't interested in me I don't feel suicidal about it, I have grown to accept it, while unfortunate, perhaps I'm not meant to have a relationship.
Hawakai Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 If I had this mindset I would of blown my brains out a long time ago. This is overly cynical in my opinion (and I'm pretty cynical). Any man who feels this way is clearly targeting the top 20% of women who most men want. If you are willing to take a fatter, older or uglier woman, you can do fine. YES.. if you're only willing to date hot babes.. then you're gonna have to work hard and be impressive either physically, financially or socially. Simple as that. Almost every woman in her late teens, and until she's in her mid to late 20's, can be considered part of the top 20% of female beauty. Fat women don't respect themselves. They don't take care of their health. And frankly, they don't give me boners. Older women are jaded. They're either bitter for having been pumped and dumped by the best-looking males or are looking into marriage and children, and my parents did not raise a sucker. Uglier women? So, stds, abortions, emotional baggage, and ugly? I'd rather go to escorts or use porn, if a decent-looking man has to settle with women who aren't on his level. This is absolutely true, the same girl who wanted to wait 6 months before having sex with you would spread her legs even before the first date had you been, for example, Ryan Gosling. A buddy of mine is better looking than that dude. He's fitter, and he's charming. He was chatting a top 20% beauty who had been cheated by her boyfriend and who proclaimed her hatred for all men, 24/7. She met my friend, a week later he's banging her all-night long. He even showed me a video of them banging. Why should any man work hard for sex with a below average woman when some guys are having it all for free? A social earthquake is coming, one so powerful that will see the birth rates plummet even further. Young men are tired of having to settle for 5-tier women. They're tired of seeing a handful of men have it all:These guys will turn their backs to society, and civilization will fall. Does that make me joyful? Yeah, a little bit. Am I bitter? Is water wet?
dasein Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Women think men have it easy dating because men have a choice between being passive and just taking what comes their way or being more proactive. Women don't have this choice, if women aren't proactive, only a tiny % of them will get any dates at all. The fact that a multimillion dollar industry exists to help women approach and meet men, where no such industry exists for men because they don't need it, is also evidence that men have it easy in dating. Erm... wait.
Hawakai Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Women think men have it easy dating because men have a choice between being passive and just taking what comes their way or being more proactive. Women don't have this choice, if women aren't proactive, only a tiny % of them will get any dates at all. The fact that a multimillion dollar industry exists to help women approach and meet men, where no such industry exists for men because they don't need it, is also evidence that men have it easy in dating. Erm... wait. Heh, thing is, most women below the age of 25 are proactive about going after what they want, and what they want is not the average joe, even when the women themselves are average. Women in their 30's do wait for the guy to seek them out, therefore its easier to have a receptive woman, but why would I want a woman in her 30s? Sorry, baby rabies too dangerous. Lets not forget that she wouldn't be really interested in me, only in my resources or the attention I can give to her. What I've learned a long time ago is that the one true signal(IOI) of interest is a woman coming up to me and sucking my penis right there.
Tara247 Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Women don't have this choice, if women aren't proactive, only a tiny % of them will get any dates at all. . Not sure where you're getting this from. I can walk outside in my pajamas and get a date.
HeavenOrHell Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 In answer to your question; for the same (nonsensical) reason that guys think women have it easy in dating. Men get rejected constantly, i don't get it how women think men have it easy. The only guys i know who have it easy are 7+ looking guys, while my less attractive friends get rejected like trash. Women have so many options even if they are average looking, that if you are not James Bond on the white horse himself(best option they got), then you are as dead in the water as flies on a poop.
HeavenOrHell Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 No, women don't have a lot more options 'as a rule'. What makes you think women believe men have it easy? No one really has it easy. Women have a lot more options as a rule, but also a lot more headaches as a result.
Imported Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Women are completely oblivious to how hard average and below average men have it in the dating world. Should it matter to them? Is it their job to make it easier? What exactly do you want them to do? I am sure there are some women, with birth defects or horrible accidents that have it far worse than any average to below average man, what about them? Have you looked into making it easier for them? Or are you completely oblivious to them? 1
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