ThaWholigan Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Thats the thing these women seemed like fine classy women maybe women just cant control themselves around certain men Or maybe they can and they are just enjoying themselves. The dynamic varies and to the observant may not be what it appears. Even I make mistakes in that regard. I don't think you should use those limited experiences within one social circle as the rule, and I say that with the greatest of respect.
ThaWholigan Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 How to Make Love Like a Porn Star: A Cautionary Tale: Jenna Jameson, Neil Strauss: Amazon.com: Kindle Store Just got this one when I went to get the link for the other. Always been meaning to. You should also get the Sex God Method. It's controversial but it's amazing. 1
dasein Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Can I ask you though...... Have any of them actually gone ahead and f*cked him? I used to be in banking in an executive capacity. Required travel to many branches and working directly with lots of line personnel, mostly female and younger, many attractive, mostly married. I don't like the "alpha" term, but was in that kind of position with these women. I'm an average looking guy with some people skills and charm. The come-ons I got constantly from married women then boggle my mind to this day. I had them openly ask me out, to meet up after work, to go to hotels with them and try to give me keys, to come to their house when their husband was away. They were physically forward, back rubs, butt grabbing, giving me gifts. Something like this happened with a third or more of the younger (22-40) married women I worked with, and I was only in that area a year. These were normal women, college degrees, church goers, many with children, many whose husbands I had met. I didn't accept any of the offers, but they were definitely there. This was a founding experience for some of my more cynical views about dating and relationships, including the hypergamous nature of many women. I mean these were the ones who found me attractive, had I been a real stud? Who knows? I mention it because it is a very similar experience, I think, to men who become successful PUAs, and is informative to men generally. There's another male poster here who gets heat for posting the same kind of thing, maybe repetitively, but still. I know -exactly- what he is talking about because I have experienced it from a broad array of married women, in that job and others. And I'm just an average guy. The social value of my position was the key, as social value is the key to PUA.
Anela Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Thats the thing these women seemed like fine classy women maybe women just cant control themselves around certain men This is what I hate: that women who are seen as classy, aren't "allowed" to put out quickly. I haven't done it, because I didn't feel comfortable doing so, but sometimes I wish I was just up for that. It seems like it would be freeing at times. Most of you seem to expect girls/women to sleep with you right away, you WANT them to, but then you judge them when they do so with other men. I don't see why they should want to do YOU right away, but not the other guys. 1
Imported Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Honestly, I think if you have confidence that you can **** like a champ and make a girl feel great sexually, you will exude a lot more confidence approaching a girl. Because if you don't......wtf are going to do if a hot girl wants to go back to your room right now? Not saying you don't know what to do, but do you know multiple ways to do it? Pick up on ques for what she wants and know how to respond? Are you conditioned for it? Pelvic thrust like you're just going through the motions, no passion in it at all hoping you can keep a hard on?
AD1980 Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 This is what I hate: that women who are seen as classy, aren't "allowed" to put out quickly. I haven't done it, because I didn't feel comfortable doing so, but sometimes I wish I was just up for that. It seems like it would be freeing at times. Most of you seem to expect girls/women to sleep with you right away, you WANT them to, but then you judge them when they do so with other men. I don't see why they should want to do YOU right away, but not the other guys. These are married women in my social circle hitting on my friend im talking about:confused:
Imported Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Don't get " How to make love like a porn star" it is actually a biography of a porn actress.
ThaWholigan Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Don't get " How to make love like a porn star" it is actually a biography of a porn actress. noted
Anela Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 These are married women in my social circle hitting on my friend im talking about:confused: Oh! okay. i understand it there then. It still seems like I see a regular stream of complaints that I mentioned before, though.
Eternal Sunshine Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Don't get " How to make love like a porn star" it is actually a biography of a porn actress. It's a great read though. I really enjoyed it
Sun Devil Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Are there anyone out there whose dating life was made worse with pua? Some people say that pua is bad, but I have never met anyone whose dating life got worse through it.
TheBigQuestion Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I used to be in banking in an executive capacity. Required travel to many branches and working directly with lots of line personnel, mostly female and younger, many attractive, mostly married. I don't like the "alpha" term, but was in that kind of position with these women. I'm an average looking guy with some people skills and charm. The come-ons I got constantly from married women then boggle my mind to this day. I had them openly ask me out, to meet up after work, to go to hotels with them and try to give me keys, to come to their house when their husband was away. They were physically forward, back rubs, butt grabbing, giving me gifts. Something like this happened with a third or more of the younger (22-40) married women I worked with, and I was only in that area a year. These were normal women, college degrees, church goers, many with children, many whose husbands I had met. I didn't accept any of the offers, but they were definitely there. This was a founding experience for some of my more cynical views about dating and relationships, including the hypergamous nature of many women. I mean these were the ones who found me attractive, had I been a real stud? Who knows? I mention it because it is a very similar experience, I think, to men who become successful PUAs, and is informative to men generally. There's another male poster here who gets heat for posting the same kind of thing, maybe repetitively, but still. I know -exactly- what he is talking about because I have experienced it from a broad array of married women, in that job and others. And I'm just an average guy. The social value of my position was the key, as social value is the key to PUA. Hah. Just being president of my college fraternity some years back gave me the first taste of this phenomenon. Being the guy in charge of something as ultimately trivial as a house where a bunch of dudes hang out, drink cheap beer, and play pranks on each other produced similar results. I had "social value" in the eyes of these girls because I was in charge of one of their social environments.
Imported Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Are there anyone out there whose dating life was made worse with pua? Some people say that pua is bad, but I have never met anyone whose dating life got worse through it. Only that one link of some dumb ass saying how after he saw how easy it was to get pussy, even from married women, it makes him worried about getting married and how some "pua" will seduce his wife. So it has permanently damaged him from being able to have a real relationship. That is just stupid. If he was still clueless, would it be better? And he is wrong anyway. And I'd bet it was some made up ****, because I don't think anybody is that weak minded.
aussietigerwolf Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I don't know about American women but Australian and north Irish women? This crap wouldn't work
Imported Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I don't know about American women but Australian and north Irish women? This crap wouldn't work Sweet, that is good to know. Thank you for the information. Do you think it will work on any of the South Irish women or maybe some of the Kiwi's? Assuming you know every single one of them as well.
aussietigerwolf Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Sweet, that is good to know. Thank you for the information. Do you think it will work on any of the South Irish women or maybe some of the Kiwi's? Assuming you know every single one of them as well. Don't know about the kiwis and as for the south Irish, I doubt it but they'd likely be more polite about it.
Emilia Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 These are married women in my social circle hitting on my friend im talking about:confused: What I think the other poster was implying is that those women were having fun and flirted with your friend but drew the line there. It's common and harmless.
dasein Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Hah. Just being president of my college fraternity some years back gave me the first taste of this phenomenon...had "social value" in the eyes of these girls because I was in charge of one of their social environments. I saw that in school also, when I was a freshman, the fraternity president had a box with maybe 50 pairs of panties in it. He was the equivalent of a movie star merely for being the "top guy" in a social club. There is another side of the social value equation that is useful to a discussion of PUA. I call it the "vacation" effect or "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." No idea what PUAs call it. The original realization came in HS, the guys who had lake houses or some kind of family getaway, and it could be a plain cabin, always had women, always more lucky in the sex department. Originally thought it was about money but it's not. What it bolls down to is if you can create an exotic aura, or take a woman out of her day to day existence either figuratively or literally, those who find a man baseline attractive will be much more receptive to seduction. When I was a banker, I represented not only social value due to my position, but something new and exotic, not another guy in the neighborhood, not someone they saw every day. This is why a whole group of men get women by taking them on trips. Doesn't have to be a big trip, can be a relatively short road trip. For some reason or reasons, women are more dtf when taken out of their daily element into a new, strange environment. Maybe this is partially due to some romantic or adventure factor. This can be accomplished without ever leaving the room you meet them in with practice. If you can create a "vacation" attitude in a woman who is basically attracted to begin with, even if no actual vacation takes place, the attraction will most likely intensify.
Imported Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) This is why a whole group of men get women by taking them on trips. Doesn't have to be a big trip, can be a relatively short road trip. For some reason or reasons, women are more dtf when taken out of their daily element into a new, strange environment. Maybe this is partially due to some romantic or adventure factor. This can be accomplished without ever leaving the room you meet them in with practice. If you can create a "vacation" attitude in a woman who is basically attracted to begin with, even if no actual vacation takes place, the attraction will most likely intensify. Try doing extended business trips, stay at nice hotels in major airports with nice bars. Women doing the same or the ones on vacation are diffinently up for a good time, especially the ones that are on their own. I think besides being taken out of their norm, they also have no worries of them being thought of as a slut by people they know, because those people aren't there. But yeah, women on the road are a lot more......adventurous. Edited November 23, 2012 by Imported
Author USMCHokie Posted November 23, 2012 Author Posted November 23, 2012 Dasein, I'm almost halfway through the book and can definite tell I'm about to reach a turning point in the main character's attitude...and reading that lifestyle journey blog has definitely painted the story in a different light than I first anticipated...
Author USMCHokie Posted November 24, 2012 Author Posted November 24, 2012 So today I started reading another blog written by the same guy who wrote the Lifestyle Journey blog, chronicling some of his dating stories. I finally understand why he wrote all that anti-PUA stuff...to put it bluntly, he kind of sucked at life and was a bit of a giant p*ssy...and so reading about his dating life completely changed the way I looked at his anti-PUA blog...because he was nothing more than a frustrated dude who relied solely on PUA tactics to get women. He was able to charm some, but that's where his success ended. He had nothing to offer them beyond that. He is extremely weak and often apologetic. He waited weeks before calling or emailing a girl he met. He ask a girl days later whether it was ok that he kissed her. He simply didn't know what to do with a woman once he got her remotely interested. He often got numbers that resulted in nothing. Instead of switching gears and fanning the fire of interest, he continued using what he thought was proper application of PUA tactics to put out the fire altogether. His two blogs combined showed me exactly why I was never a fan of PUA to begin with. It seems like a very accurate reflection of what happens with a lot of PUAs. You take a dude who sucks at life and then you give him the power of the PUA. He's somehow able to charm her temporarily with magic tricks and nonsense, but he immediately runs out of steam and she loses interest. He then justifies all the reasons why she lost interest, either by blaming women in general (the misogynist approach), blaming his mechanics of the game (the PUA approach), or blaming any other reason. But at the end of the day, he failed because he sucked at life, and no amount of PUA would hide that. A pig in a tuxedo is nothing more than a well-dressed pig. That being said, I'm still fully motivated in continuing down this path! 2
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