Pyro Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 If you want to be part of the PUA world the first thing that you need to do is to change that avatar. 2
Author USMCHokie Posted November 19, 2012 Author Posted November 19, 2012 If you want to be part of the PUA world the first thing that you need to do is to change that avatar. No. --------
Kamille Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 No. -------- Here I was, crossing my fingers you would put pics of your real self up... BTW, I'm not that great at flirting, not unless the other person is able to put me at ease - and flirts back. Which means, Hokie's also a good on-line flirt. 2
dasein Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Definitely read The Game. Excellent starting point, but not at all a PUA manual or technique. If even a few of the detractors of PUA here read that book from cover to cover, much of the irrational PUA hate here would disapper. It's actually an -expose'- of personality flaws inherent in many people attracted to PUA, describes others whose social lives were truly in need of rehabilitation, and does as much poking fun at the industry as it does promoting it. A very balanced, excellent book with a great message. 3
Author USMCHokie Posted November 19, 2012 Author Posted November 19, 2012 Here I was, crossing my fingers you would put pics of your real self up... I'll put them back up after I leave this hole and go back home. BTW, I'm not that great at flirting, not unless the other person is able to put me at ease - and flirts back. Which means, Hokie's also a good on-line flirt. Ah, those were the days...we were so good together... :p
Author USMCHokie Posted November 19, 2012 Author Posted November 19, 2012 You suck:mad: <------ Don't hate the playa... 1
lino Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Not sure if that stuff will work here or not but most Aussies won't even know what pua is. Until I started reading this message board I didn't know what it was. Nobody I know talks about that type of stuff either, male or female. Here, you're either good at getting women to open their legs for you or you aren't... You're American accent will help with that to some degree. The rest will depend on you. Good luck Ps the Gold Coast is probably one of the best places for guys to pickup, especially foreigners.
peytondoll Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 OP- This will work. But its only going to work on certain women. Have fun with your weak minded, unintelligent women. Men who use these PUA tactics are manipulative and controlling IMO. I have had a few guys who I dated, looking back, whom I would not be surprised to learn they read PUA stuff. I was turned off by all of them
peytondoll Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Definitely read The Game. Excellent starting point, but not at all a PUA manual or technique. If even a few of the detractors of PUA here read that book from cover to cover, much of the irrational PUA hate here would disapper. It's actually an -expose'- of personality flaws inherent in many people attracted to PUA, describes others whose social lives were truly in need of rehabilitation, and does as much poking fun at the industry as it does promoting it. A very balanced, excellent book with a great message. I attest to that. Most men that use PUA are narcissistic, arrogant, entitled, sexist...I could keep going but Ill stop there.
MrCastle Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 I don't see why not. Why shouldn't try to see if it(PUA) works for you? Every guy should have the chance to sleep with as many women as possible, as its only fair to share the sexual power between the sexes. You know, I think the irony here is that PUA's value is in the mindset you helps you develop. That women are as abundant as the stars in the sky and if one shines dimmer for you; you move on to the next star. Dude that was beautiful. I got choked up. 1
Sun Devil Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Peytondoll, if you think pua is bad, then what would you suggest usmchokie do? If being yourself does not attract women, then I cannot see why you should not use pua. Prove to me that pua is not good.
peytondoll Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Peytondoll, if you think pua is bad, then what would you suggest usmchokie do? If being yourself does not attract women, then I cannot see why you should not use pua. Prove to me that pua is not good. Men that use PUA ALWAYS describe women as objects. Do I really need to give you an in-depth psychoanalysis on why that isnt good? Oh...its good for YOU. The guy who said its a guys destiny to **** around and manipulate as many women as possible (above me) is full of ****- I pay for all my own dates so Id never put up with a PUA man. I dont owe you anything. Every single man I met who used PUA was insincere, lacking in compassion, entitled and way too self absorbed. But dont worry- there are plenty of docile, weakminded women out there for you that will gobble it up and let you walk all over them. Continue to use PUA tactics- but dont come back here bitching you cant get a girl who is smarter, with high self esteem (oh wait...you dont care about these...you just want some p**** ok I get why PUA attracts certain people now) or that girls dont find you to be genuine Being yourself DOES attract women assuming you dont have some atrocious personality traits. In fact it is the best approach because that way you attract the best person for you...so you dont have to *gasp* change for someone
ThaWholigan Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Men that use PUA ALWAYS describe women as objects. Do I really need to give you an in-depth psychoanalysis on why that isnt good? Oh...its good for YOU. The guy who said its a guys destiny to **** around and manipulate as many women as possible (above me) is full of ****- I pay for all my own dates so Id never put up with a PUA man. I dont owe you anything. Every single man I met who used PUA was insincere, lacking in compassion, entitled and way too self absorbed. But dont worry- there are plenty of docile, weakminded women out there for you that will gobble it up and let you walk all over them. Continue to use PUA tactics- but dont come back here bitching you cant get a girl who is smarter, with high self esteem (oh wait...you dont care about these...you just want some p**** ok I get why PUA attracts certain people now) or that girls dont find you to be genuine Being yourself DOES attract women assuming you dont have some atrocious personality traits. In fact it is the best approach because that way you attract the best person for you...so you dont have to *gasp* change for someone Edit: If being yourself isn't working, that means you are doing something wrong. What is the alternative then? I can attest to the fact that whenever I was told to "be myself", it never worked for me because I did not know how to even date girls who WERE attracted to me. If it were not for PUA, I would not even be able to date, even though some of it is BS. I have never manipulated anybody either. I learned more about myself doing it, so I discarded the BS, and NOW I'm able to "be myself", only this time I can be comfortable being myself. Edited November 19, 2012 by ThaWholigan
Kamille Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Every single man I met who used PUA was insincere, lacking in compassion, entitled and way too self absorbed. If the problematic PUA tactics are that obvious, I don't see why we, as women, should be worried about them. 3
ThaWholigan Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 If the problematic PUA tactics are that obvious, I don't see why we, as women, should be worried about them. What is more likely is that the man using the PUA stuff was likely already a manipulative, self-absorbed, insincere personality. Whereas I and a lot of other guys are none of those things, and - shock horror - reading a few PUA books to help us communicate better in a romantic setting hasn't changed that . 1
Kamille Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 What is more likely is that the man using the PUA stuff was likely already a manipulative, self-absorbed, insincere personality. Whereas I and a lot of other guys are none of those things, and - shock horror - reading a few PUA books to help us communicate better in a romantic setting hasn't changed that . I'm all for a world where lots of cute, interesting, funny guys have game. You and Hokie included. I also have faith in my own ability to judge wether or not a potential partner has integrity. 4
Sun Devil Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 It's obvious that peytondoll has never read anything about pua. I never have read any material that treated women like objects. 1
Pyro Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Edit: If being yourself isn't working, that means you are doing something wrong. What is the alternative then? When being myself wasn't working then I decided that I had to do something about it. This was during a time before LS existed to me and when I only used the internet for homework and email. I had to do things the old fashion way. My problem was that I lacked confidence, assertiveness and that I worried too much about what others thought of me. I knew that some things about ME needed to change. I read one simple book entitled 'People Skills' which helped me open up my communication skills and taught me how to be assertive. The confidence easily developed as a result of all that. My point is that there are ways that you can go about improving yourself without having to get involved with all that PUA stuff. 2
dasein Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Men that use PUA ALWAYS describe women as objects. By your logic, the relationship book and mag industry that women pour millions of dollars a year into ALWAYS describe men as dogs. How to Make Your Man Behave in 21 Days or Less Using the Secrets of Professional Dog Trainers: Karen Salmansohn, Alison Seiffer: 9781563056260: Amazon.com: Books Hint: get better logic 2
ThaWholigan Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 When being myself wasn't working then I decided that I had to do something about it. This was during a time before LS existed to me and when I only used the internet for homework and email. I had to do things the old fashion way. My problem was that I lacked confidence, assertiveness and that I worried too much about what others thought of me. I knew that some things about ME needed to change. I read one simple book entitled 'People Skills' which helped me open up my communication skills and taught me how to be assertive. The confidence easily developed as a result of all that. My point is that there are ways that you can go about improving yourself without having to get involved with all that PUA stuff. Oh certainly, I know that. I used other means outside of PUA to improve myself and am still doing so. However, I still had major problems dealing with girls in a romantic context. I read dating/relationship books but they did not help me, perhaps that Dale Carnegie book was the only other one that I still considered to be a good book, same with Power Of Now. PUA was straight to the point, it dealt with things in a manner that while I personally didn't jive with some of the "end goals" and the lifestyle, it got to the heart of very specific things that I was doing poorly in. The being able to flirt, and use my words better, how to actually be relaxed in that arena, how to be myself without screwing it up attraction-wise - I had a large vocabulary but didn't know how to use it in this particular arena. I had nowhere else to learn that stuff, and I didn't trust myself to be able to learn on the fly. And I wasn't bold enough, but perhaps had I been bold without PUA I would have had the same results, I'll never know but PUA was an adequate placebo for me to use.
Pyro Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 PUA was straight to the point, it dealt with things in a manner that while I personally didn't jive with some of the "end goals" and the lifestyle, it got to the heart of very specific things that I was doing poorly in. The being able to flirt, and use my words better, how to actually be relaxed in that arena, how to be myself without screwing it up attraction-wise - I had a large vocabulary but didn't know how to use it in this particular arena. I had nowhere else to learn that stuff, and I didn't trust myself to be able to learn on the fly. And I wasn't bold enough, but perhaps had I been bold without PUA I would have had the same results, I'll never know but PUA was an adequate placebo for me to use. That is what I mean. There are other ways instead of having to work around the garbage (the stuff that you didn't jive with) There are other alternatives but when coming online PUA is all around.
jcrew11 Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 I guess the first question that comes to mind is, what does it even mean to be "down to earth"...? And as happy as I might be with "myself" and my personality, I've realized that being unassuming and modest doesn't really do much to expose that personality, or at least draw women to want to uncover the personality. I don't think I have the looks to prompt women to want to get to know me...so logically, I'd have to be the aggressor and give them a reason to want to get to know me. I.e., "force" my personality on them... We always hear about how men should be more "confident," but how exactly does one do that? In the Marines, we use the purpose, method, and endstate to lay out a concept of operations. The purpose is the reason why, the method is how you do it, and the endstate is what you're left with. For most guys, the purpose is clear, to become better with women. Yet they are constantly advised to be more confident. I believe that confidence is an endstate, not a method. They are never given that method. Perhaps PUA is the method to reaching the desired endstate? And I picked Australia because that's honestly the only social interaction I'll have for the next year... The key to PUA is "Emotional Connection" I haven't read much PUA stuff, but I think that is the difference between "players" and "nice guys." Men are attracted to women because of looks first, then personality. Women can improve their looks with makeup and dressing sluttier. Men should work to improve their looks, but many don't and blame their dating failures on being ugly. Some simple things a man can do to look better is to get a better haircut and put gel in their hair, it gives a noticeable shineness that girls notice. Dress better and work out. But looks are secondary, women really want a man that can create an "Emotional connection" in a short amount of time. Confidence - is about being Charismatic, a good public speaker, salesman, self-assured, self-confident, unflappable in difficult circumstances, doesn't get mad/angry at rejection or tough circumstances, happy, smiling, positive, generous, giving, makes a girl feel good. Men are usually poor communicators; and "Players" are amazing and sexy communicators. Develop a strong, confident, seductive voice. Have intersting and fun things to say and talk about. Treat yourself as socially better than the woman, and that you are the prize that she wants. Make women want you, and want to be around you, and spend time with you. 3
ThaWholigan Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 That is what I mean. There are other ways instead of having to work around the garbage (the stuff that you didn't jive with) There are other alternatives but when coming online PUA is all around. I don't know. I'm a hunter for information and I didn't find it - at least not the ones that specifically dealt with what I was looking for. Maybe DY is right, maybe I should write a book and filter out the bollocks . Let met get some dates/relationships under my belt first ......
peytondoll Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) It's obvious that peytondoll has never read anything about pua. I never have read any material that treated women like objects. LOL. I have read a crapload of stuff about it. Probably hours worth, when I get bored at work. Most guys who use PUA arent looking for a nice healthy mature relationship...theyre looking to use and overpower women. Do I need to attach links to male forums that are based on PUA? The vast majority of stuff I read on there appalls me. BTW- I dont think women should rule the world. Rather, I think neither gender should be overpowering the other and instead work as team. Building confidence is key no matter who you are so I can see why PUA is attractive in that aspect- but PUA is Alot more than that...I find few men dont buy into the whole thing Edited November 19, 2012 by peytondoll
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