Author peytondoll Posted November 16, 2012 Author Posted November 16, 2012 If women are making their own money and aren't necessarily monogamous, maybe they shouldn't be so desperate to have boyfriends and husbands. Women evolving would mean not evaluating their success in life by whether they have some guy or not. Relax, enjoy a FWB, a new man every few years, and the company of your female friends and family. Oh I agree with you. The problem is most of the men I have heard say this want this to happen so they can live in a world where they use women as sexual objects. I run from guys Ive dated who say stuff like this to me because Ive never been wrong: they all turned out to be unable to control themselves and used this as a way to get what they want and justify acting like a ****head
Author peytondoll Posted November 16, 2012 Author Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Maybe women using the excuse that they marry for $$ and refuse to pay for dates because they're genetically built to seek powerful, wealthy providers for themselves. They can't help being cheap, full of themselves, cowardly, lazy, gold-diggers, and overall mooches. Thank you so much for writing this. Actually, the type of guy I describe in my original post you are 100% based on your responses to past topics. You are one of the guys that endorses sexual variety and satisfying your own evolutionary urges (maybe you havent written that evolution should be an excuse, but I am sure you use it in your head) yet degrades golddigger women. So you can use your urges, but myself as a woman, I must resist mine? So I live in a world where I am supposed to evolved but you arent? Hmmm....You are one of those insanely-selfish-but-i-will-find-any-excuse-to-be-a-narcissist types. People that endorse double standards like this are just looking out to benefit themselves. Personally, men like you should be put in a cave and never allowed to leave. Edited November 16, 2012 by peytondoll
charlietheginger Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 When a man tells a women he cheated Becuase of caveman banged women Blah blah blah... Ladies Tell him to find another cave to stick His bone inside of and close your cave 1
crude Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 You are one of the guys that endorses sexual variety and satisfying your own evolutionary urges (maybe you havent written that evolution should be an excuse, but I am sure you use it in your head) yet degrades golddigger women. So you can use your urges, but myself as a woman, I must resist mine? I don't think there are that many differences between men and women. The overlap would surprise you. I'm sure most women would like a little variety in their lives but fight the urge because of societal pressures messing with their minds. And men would love to be treated financially once in a while, and have a sugar mommy, but have to pretend they'd rather die than be appreciated financially. And when a woman uses cold and calculating, premeditated with spread sheets leeching, it's not evolutionary, just cheap and calculating. Woman Lets Match.com Dates Pay For All Of Her Dinners
Got it Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 It is connected Women are biologically wired to prefer men who have resources (money has only existed for a short period of time. so resources in preindustrial/civilization times meant a man who had food, status, shelter and other things...nowadays money can buy all of those things, and with status comes resources) It is a fact. I took evolutionary classes out the wazoo in college so men that try to say this isnt true are the ones who want to act like a ****head and get away with it. Throughout human existence, women who stuck by men who didnt have resources were more likely to die and their children were more likely to die Men are biologically wired to spread their seed, ensuring more of their offspring survive. This results in men wanting to **** every attractive woman they see and men in general crave more sexual variety than women. Nobody disputes this My point is- men say their evolution is the reason why they cheat and us women should accept it and put up with it. Well....evolution is the reason why women want to be with a guy who has money/resources. Yet I RARELY meet men who endorse this behavior and are like "ok well Ill accept it" Nope...they degrade women that have this attitude. Selfishness...you can act on your evolutionary urges....yet I cant act on mine? Bull****. Its a double standard Humans are wired for other things too...like racism or really not trusting anyone like yourself. But thats a whole other can of worms. This evolution stuff is a cop out I completely disagree with the bolded. Now women may have NEEDED to find mates that were able to provide resources while they were handicapped with child rearing but that does not mean that on a biological level that they need someone to have that capability. Survival may dictate something but survival needs are fluid and change as challenges change. So it would be a case by case basis on whether a woman needs a man to be able to provide for her. If her needs are already taken care of by herself or another external source the desire for the mate to do so would be nonexistent. I am a woman that is very self sufficient so I have no need for a mate to provide material services. My list has other items in which I look for. I also come from a family that I could lean on if I needed. So I am in no way financially tied to a man nor would I ever be. I do not consider having to depend on someone else financially to be the best course of survival for myself. Taking care of myself would be much smarter for survival of myself and my offspring. Sorry, not sure where you went to school but not quite the same message I walked away from my studies. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 I think it's a losing game and basically a waste of time to talk much about how we are "biologically wired" to explain things like promiscuity or materialism. We are WAY beyond that. Besides, if we are going down that road, I think we need to talk about ALL our instinctive urges and how they run us, not just pick and choose for "dating" purposes. You know, like fight / flight, resource guarding, hoarding, killing in territorial conflicts ... 2
Author peytondoll Posted November 16, 2012 Author Posted November 16, 2012 I completely disagree with the bolded. Now women may have NEEDED to find mates that were able to provide resources while they were handicapped with child rearing but that does not mean that on a biological level that they need someone to have that capability. Survival may dictate something but survival needs are fluid and change as challenges change. I am a woman that is very self sufficient so I have no need for a mate to provide material services. My list has other items in which I look for. I also come from a family that I could lean on if I needed. So I am in no way financially tied to a man nor would I ever be. I do not consider having to depend on someone else financially to be the best course of survival for myself. Taking care of myself would be much smarter for survival of myself and my offspring. Sorry, not sure where you went to school but not quite the same message I walked away from my studies. You are right! BTW- all the stuff you said about being self sufficient...I am the EXACT same way. FLUIDITY is the keyword you said. Men no longer need to spread their seed to ensure their offspring survive too.Times have changed. (However, men STILL use this as a justification....you sound much more evolved than them). This is why evolutionary studies are so fascinating...because our environment now is radically different than how it was during 99% of human existence.
Author peytondoll Posted November 16, 2012 Author Posted November 16, 2012 I think it's a losing game and basically a waste of time to talk much about how we are "biologically wired" to explain things like promiscuity or materialism. We are WAY beyond that. Besides, if we are going down that road, I think we need to talk about ALL our instinctive urges and how they run us, not just pick and choose for "dating" purposes. You know, like fight / flight, resource guarding, hoarding, killing in territorial conflicts ... Are you married? I like you.
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 Are you married? I like you. I am! And I'm a woman, too!
GorillaTheater Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 Are you married? I like you. Get in line, bub. 3
Got it Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 You are right! BTW- all the stuff you said about being self sufficient...I am the EXACT same way. FLUIDITY is the keyword you said. Men no longer need to spread their seed to ensure their offspring survive too.Times have changed. (However, men STILL use this as a justification....you sound much more evolved than them). This is why evolutionary studies are so fascinating...because our environment now is radically different than how it was during 99% of human existence. A guy can say he will get blue balls and it will wither and die if you don't help him out. What does it matter? A person can say and do anything they want. It doesn't mean a hill a beans if you don't assess any authority or validity to it. For the record, I don't know any men that use that as justification to cheat. It might be the men you are around.
Got it Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 Since I don't confess to feeling like I know someone just because an anonymous person posts on a website, I don't see them as people I know or believe. I didn't say that people don't say it. I am saying I don't know any men who say it in my real life (which is not in a computer).
Sasu Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 All men are programmed to cheat evolutionary ? Instinct ? lol. Wish world could be so black & white,not to mention how BS it sounds as an excuse .Some people have other priorities in life besides banging women for pleasure \ competition among other males\ego boost. Pride,Self respect are some of little words which matter to some .. One shouldn't label around ^^ 1
EasyHeart Posted November 16, 2012 Posted November 16, 2012 I think it's a losing game and basically a waste of time to talk much about how we are "biologically wired" to explain things like promiscuity or materialism. We are WAY beyond that. Besides, if we are going down that road, I think we need to talk about ALL our instinctive urges and how they run us, not just pick and choose for "dating" purposes. You know, like fight / flight, resource guarding, hoarding, killing in territorial conflicts ...I think it depends on how you use the information. If you think, "I am biologically wired to be attracted to multiple women, therefore when I find myself attracted to someone besides my SO, I need to be extra careful and not get into a situation where I might cheat," then you are using the information in a constructive manner. If you think, "I am biologically wired to be attracted to multiple women, therefore when I find myself attracted to someone besides my SO, it's okay for me to cheat," then you are being an @ss. 2
Got it Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 What is your point? I said I didn't know any guys and said that it may be the men in the OP's life. And then you posted how you have seen WS and AP on LS say the same thing. So ??? What does that have to do with my comment and whether or not I have heard men say it?
Author peytondoll Posted November 26, 2012 Author Posted November 26, 2012 If women are making their own money and aren't necessarily monogamous, maybe they shouldn't be so desperate to have boyfriends and husbands. Women evolving would mean not evaluating their success in life by whether they have some guy or not. Relax, enjoy a FWB, a new man every few years, and the company of your female friends and family. I know plenty of women who arent desparate for a SO...in fact off the top of my head, I know far more men who constantly need to have a girlfriend than the other way around. But based on your comments on other threads, this is a perpetual belief of yours.
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