Lonely Ronin Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 5. Women will not date overweight guys Danny DeVito did fine for 30 years. He is significantly shorter than his wife, very heavy, and pretty much bald. And the dumb a** is soon to be divorced, because he wasn't happy with the wife he had.
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I wouldn't go as far as to say that Rhea Perlman is much above Devito in looks, not that it matters as high dollar celebs or other wealthy are outliers. IMO reality shows are much better gauge of broad audience appeal, preference and expectations.
Lonely Ronin Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I wouldn't go as far as to say that Rhea Perlman is much above Devito in looks, not that it matters as high dollar celebs or other wealthy are outliers. IMO reality shows are much better gauge of broad audience appeal, preference and expectations. you mean large dimwitted husbands with skinny wives, Like Family Guy and The Simpsons?
Revolver Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Danny DeVito did fine for 30 years. He is significantly shorter than his wife, very heavy, and pretty much bald. And the dumb a** is soon to be divorced, because he wasn't happy with the wife he had. Danny devito is rich lol. That cancels out whatever imperfections he has physically
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 you mean large dimwitted husbands with skinny wives, Like Family Guy and The Simpsons? Those are farcical cartoons, not reality shows, and the slobbishness of the male -cartoons- is part of the joke. Personally, I'd take neither of those -cartoon- females to bed, and doubt many other men would either.
xxoo Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) IME, men moan about their looks because they see a pronounced demarcation in looks that women tend to respond to en masse, and the bar is pretty high. You are either on one side of the line, dreamy, and get more attention than you can handle, things are ridiculously easy, or on the other side and are completely invisible and undesirable. Have experienced this in life several times myself over the years. That line occurs in male attraction also, but it is much much lower. Men see pretty much any woman who is not fat (and many fat girls too) getting loads of attention and response from men, yet the same is definitely not true for men who merely aren't fat. This seems to be the source of lots of the groaning that goes on here and elsewhere re male looks, and it's a fact. Just a given reality though that men must accept and calculate into whatever their goals are. If men don't like this reality, then it's up to men to become more discriminating and in control of their sexual desires. This is the place for people to "groan" generally about this or that, so what if they do? Yet men enjoy this reality when they are partnered with a woman, and she is completely sexually focused on him, whereas men are still generally attracted to any woman above a very low bar It's a double-edged sword. Women enjoy a lot of attention while single, but worry about wandering eyes, including the "P-word", when in a relationship. Men struggle a bit more to find a partner, but then enjoy her focused adoration and sexual attention. Generally speaking, of course. One is not "better" or easier than the other. Edited November 15, 2012 by xxoo
mesmerized Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I have seen the housewife shows, and you are simply wrong, unless you think applying hideous, garish layers of makeup is somehow "beautiful." Yeah, the average 40 50 something years old woman in US is tall and skinny with a fit body and large fake boobs. Fake or not, these women look hotter than their men. If this theory of yours was right, the men would also invest to look at least a bit better.
Hawakai Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 This is nothing new, and it is nothing wrong. When a man's got a gf, he's happy that she's not attracted to as many men as he is attracted to women! It has its advantages and disadvantages. The idea is to attract a few of the women you are attracted to--not all of them. She's still attracted to other men. Its just that she's only attracted to better-looking guys than most guys are. Guys are pretty much attracted to most women because most women are attractive even when they're average and guys have much higher levels of testosterone. she's with that guy because he's the best she can get at the moment. Nearly every woman is not going to choose a guy who is nothing special when the bigger, better deal is interested in her.
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Yet men enjoy this reality when they are partnered with a woman, and she is completely sexually focused on him, whereas men are still generally attracted to any woman above a very low bar Fade from the top echelon as a man, even a little, just a notch below "the line," and find out how "completely sexually focused on him" she remains for very long. Women are the primary "upgraders" and "dumpers" not men, despite bombardment of endless cliches of a man "trading in for a younger model" to the contrary. Get pudgy, get broke, and watch her get gone in a hurry. But not talking about marriage/LTR as much as keeping an early-mid relationship going. And yes, have already acknowledged this issue as men needing to accept given realities and master their own sexual desire. It's a double-edged sword. Women enjoy a lot of attention while single, but worry about wandering eyes, including the "P-word", when in a relationship. Men struggle a bit more to find a partner, but then enjoy her focused adoration and sexual attention. Generally speaking, of course. One is not "better" or easier than the other. My points were that there is a rational basis for all the whining men do about having to be tops in looks, etc., that it is a given reality to accept and work with, but if one does want to moan about it, this kind of place is the place to do it as opposed to letting simple realities that can be worked with fester into resentments that hamper one's chances in dating. And yes, as usual, my position is going to be that women can't stand hearing that they are just as fallible as men generally, not one bit better nor worse, despite what this means about the false "victimology" cultural view of women we've had to put up with for decades and hear every day of the world. Claiming that there are many ways in which women have it good or even better in life than men is not a claim of victimology or general disadvantage of men, merely a reaction to pervasive female victimology in our culture.
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 If this theory of yours was right, the men would also invest to look at least a bit better. They don't have time, as a caked makeup, garishly adorned and dressed vampire is attached to their wallets. No wonder the men look run down in the housewife shows, they are sucked dry to the point of dying early, as so many men with these types of living arrangements do today. At least in death they are finally free.
Lonely Ronin Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 She's still attracted to other men. Its just that she's only attracted to better-looking guys than most guys are. Guys are pretty much attracted to most women because most women are attractive even when they're average and guys have much higher levels of testosterone. she's with that guy because he's the best she can get at the moment. Nearly every woman is not going to choose a guy who is nothing special when the bigger, better deal is interested in her. What deep dark hole did you crawl out of? 1
xxoo Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Fade from the top echelon as a man, even a little, just a notch below "the line," and find out how "completely sexually focused on him" she remains for very long. Women are the primary "upgraders" and "dumpers" not men, despite bombardment of endless cliches of a man "trading in for a younger model" to the contrary. Get pudgy, get broke, and watch her get gone in a hurry. But not talking about marriage/LTR as much as keeping an early-mid relationship going. And yes, have already acknowledged this issue as men needing to accept given realities and master their own sexual desire. A guy doesn't need to be "top echelon" to have a sexually focused woman. He just needs to be able to drive her wild in bed, and make her feel like a prize. Men don't understand how much of that is a mental game for women. And when they don't understand, they fill in the blanks in ways that make sense to them--and it is just a fail. 2
mesmerized Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 They don't have time, as a caked makeup, garishly adorned and dressed vampire is attached to their wallets. No wonder the men look run down in the housewife shows, they are sucked dry to the point of dying early, as so many men with these types of living arrangements do today. At least in death they are finally free. We both know why, cause they don't CARE. What they care about is having money and a pretty woman on their side to accessorize them. Frankly the arrangement seem to be working for Mr. shallow and miss golddigger and you're here defending these men? I've seen the same men in these shows saying horrible things to their wives or just objectify them as sex objects. From making fun of one showing one or two gray hair to saying their boobs are not good enough.
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 A guy doesn't need to be "top echelon" to have a sexually focused woman. He just needs to be able to drive her wild in bed, and make her feel like a prize. Men don't understand how much of that is a mental game for women. And when they don't understand, they fill in the blanks in ways that make sense to them--and it is just a fail. Mild blame shift, but a blame shift nonetheless. You may not even realize you are doing it. So it's always -his- fault for being bad in bed when she upgrades or dumps, that's what you are saying right? Have seen this sentiment expressed many ways here and elsewhere. 1
Hawakai Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 What deep dark hole did you crawl out of? From this hole called ''reality'.'' Can I join you in your fantastical dimension where male looks don't matter, just how cool you appear to be to women?
KatZee Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Guys all talk about how being physically attractive is the holy grail and girls won't date any guy who isn't an 8 or some sh*t like that. Or over 6 foot. It gets jarring. Get over it. I actually read some stuff on this site. It's an anti-PUA site, which I don't mind because it actually talks about an alternative viewpoint that makes more sense than some of the other stuff that's anti-game. HER TYPE | Seduction Myth I want guys to read this article because it's at least a small shred of evidence that just maybe it doesn't really matter what you look like (or maybe it does ), you just have to stop being a pussy and get on with it. So, how do you plan on rectifying your looks? Are you going to bitch about it or figure out how to get on with it? This is interesting because I was just watching Dr. Drew last night and they were talking about what women are REALLY drawn to, and they showed the women who had fallen for high profile men. I can't recall the men's or women's names because I was listening with one ear while doing stuff around the apartment, but they were saying how these women were not drawn to these men because they "Looked like Leo DiCaprio" it was because they held positions of power, and that to a woman was more important.
Hawakai Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 A guy doesn't need to be "top echelon" to have a sexually focused woman. He just needs to be able to drive her wild in bed, and make her feel like a prize. Men don't understand how much of that is a mental game for women. And when they don't understand, they fill in the blanks in ways that make sense to them--and it is just a fail. You don't seem to understand that in order to drive her wild in bed the guy first has to get her in his bed and to do that he has to attract her. What attracts women to men? Maculinity. What is masculinity? Above average height(every time I'm out - and I see thousands and thousands of people everyday) I always see the guy in the couple dynamic as much taller than most guys, and the women go from being short to tall. Muscles. Most guys can't grow muscles like arnie, and most can't look lean like Brad Pitt in fight club.
xxoo Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Mild blame shift, but a blame shift nonetheless. You may not even realize you are doing it. So it's always -his- fault for being bad in bed when she upgrades or dumps, that's what you are saying right? Have seen this sentiment expressed many ways here and elsewhere. "Bad in bed" is even a misunderstanding....because so much is a mental game. A huge part of driving a woman wild in bed is what happens out of bed. What I'm saying is--once I started dating the man I married, money and pounds became insignificant because I felt so incredibly great around him. All I wanted was more time with him, more sex with him, more of him.
Hawakai Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 This is interesting because I was just watching Dr. Drew last night and they were talking about what women are REALLY drawn to, and they showed the women who had fallen for high profile men. I can't recall the men's or women's names because I was listening with one ear while doing stuff around the apartment, but they were saying how these women were not drawn to these men because they "Looked like Leo DiCaprio" it was because they held positions of power, and that to a woman was more important. Yeah, so the advice to men who aren't Prince Harry or the local male model is: work your butt off in college, do whatever it takes to find yourself in a position of power, build great wealth, and get ready for the deluge of women interested in your money and in your social standing. Seems legit.
KatZee Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 I actually just tried Googling it because it was fascinating here is one of the women they talked about: Paula Broadwell. I recognize her face from the screen. Men in Power: Why Do Women Have Affairs with Men like Petraeus? | Love + Sex - Yahoo! Shine Look at the man she had an affair with--- nothing much to look at. Same with the other examples. "Like the 'tall, dark, and handsome' cliche, some women are attracted to men who possess the three qualities of wealth, celebrity, and influence," Dr. Terri Orbuch." There we go. It's not always all about looks.
mesmerized Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 You don't seem to understand that in order to drive her wild in bed the guy first has to get her in his bed and to do that he has to attract her. What attracts women to men? Maculinity. What is masculinity? Above average height(every time I'm out - and I see thousands and thousands of people everyday) I always see the guy in the couple dynamic as much taller than most guys, and the women go from being short to tall. Muscles. Most guys can't grow muscles like arnie, and most can't look lean like Brad Pitt in fight club. Why exactly can't most guys look lean???
xxoo Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 You don't seem to understand that in order to drive her wild in bed the guy first has to get her in his bed and to do that he has to attract her. What attracts women to men? Maculinity. What is masculinity? Above average height(every time I'm out - and I see thousands and thousands of people everyday) I always see the guy in the couple dynamic as much taller than most guys, and the women go from being short to tall. Muscles. Most guys can't grow muscles like arnie, and most can't look lean like Brad Pitt in fight club. Have you seen how many women go for pasty artsy types?
dasein Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 you're here defending these men? I'm not defending anyone, just following up on your claim that these "beautiful" housewife reality show women are matched to fugly men. This also demonstrates one of my points, I don't think women, due to whatever factors, can objectively gauge relative attractiveness of either gender as well as men can. None of you ever want to discuss that OK Cupid survey posted often here other than in a rationalizing way. Have heard and seen so many times women categorizing fugly or especially fat women as "good looking," well at least those they don't perceive as a threat (also categorizing reasonably good looking guys as average or worse). It's like a game they play, "Don't you think she's pretty? She's so pretty, don't you think so?" and the girl in question is 40 or so pounds OW with an unfortunate face. It's like they "win the game" by getting the guy to admit that the reality that really exists is subservient to the reality she wants to concoct out of thin air. Then I wonder WTF? What is this woman seeing? I don't find men doing this kind of thing -at all- IME, always women.
KatZee Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 It's not always about looks and not always about being a young golddigger either: "From a purely biological perspective, for females success implies that the male will be a good provider and offer security. Of course, this makes little sense in the case of a married man, but it is nevertheless part of the underlying, unconscious appeal such men have to women."
Hawakai Posted November 15, 2012 Posted November 15, 2012 Have you seen how many women go for pasty artsy types? I'm in a arts college. The pasty-artsy/skinny/balding/great personalities guys are busy sharing their adventures in the video game skyrim. The vast majority of the women are: A)Looking for a boyfriend(minimum height x; looks etc) B) in FWB's with the hot guys. C)Hitting the nightclubs for male attention and not worrying about relationships nor sex. it could be that when you were young women went for the artistic type, but nowadays women only go for the male model/drug dealer/bad boy/Prince Harry type.
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