xxoo Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 First the guy needs to get in bed with her. That makes it necessary to have something that makes her sexually attracted. No, he can wriggle with desire before that. It's a mental game.... I have varied tastes in women but if i find a women unatractive i dont care how nice she is its not gonna make me sexually into her if i cant picture making out with her never mind beign naked with her Haven't you ever been very sexually attracted (want to see naked) to a woman who isn't conventionally attractive?
PJKino Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 You are the exact kind of guy I'm talking about - making excuses. That's why you'll always be in the position you're in. If you aren't willing, you cannot complain. And who says you can only get someone you don't like? That is only your fear. Either way, it doesn't seem like there's anything I can do to help you. I've been trying almost since the day I came to this forum, and none of you have listened. While I took my own advice and actually got somewhere. So it's whatever. You can continue to carry on like this and bitch about girls only liking good looking guys..... Of course there are outliers it doesnt mean its the norm or happens most of the time I for one am tired of rejection, wheter it be the harsh rejection of a women straight up being nasty or the look in her eyes as you talk to her that shes bored as hell as she makes blatant eye contract with her friend to come in and save her and take her away both make me feel like **** and that im an unattractive bore Being constnatly todl youre not good enough by womens reactions to you is draining id rather just not try 1
PJKino Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 No, he can wriggle with desire before that. It's a mental game.... Haven't you ever been very sexually attracted (want to see naked) to a woman who isn't conventionally attractive? Once again i have varied tastes in women they are not all 9's 10's by any stretch but if i find her unappelaing physically nothing will magically change that for me
GorillaTheater Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Haven't you ever been very sexually attracted (want to see naked) to a woman who isn't conventionally attractive? Trick question. We want to see most women naked.
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Of course there are outliers it doesnt mean its the norm or happens most of the time I for one am tired of rejection, wheter it be the harsh rejection of a women straight up being nasty or the look in her eyes as you talk to her that shes bored as hell as she makes blatant eye contract with her friend to come in and save her and take her away both make me feel like **** and that im an unattractive bore Being constnatly todl youre not good enough by womens reactions to you is draining id rather just not tryHow well would you say you understand social cues, facial expressions and body language, within the context of any social interaction?
PJKino Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 How well would you say you understand social cues, facial expressions and body language, within the context of any social interaction? Pretty well which is why i dotn approach alot because i never get many signs of interest,if a women ever looks and smiles or anyhting close to what cmna be interepretd as a sign i approach because very rarely does a women ever seem to see that i exist when im out
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Pretty well which is why i dotn approach alot because i never get many signs of interest,if a women ever looks and smiles or anyhting close to what cmna be interepretd as a sign i approach because very rarely does a women ever seem to see that i exist when im outConsider your logic. "I don't make myself noticeable because women don't notice me". 3
Author ThaWholigan Posted November 14, 2012 Author Posted November 14, 2012 Of course there are outliers it doesnt mean its the norm or happens most of the time I'm really sorry man, but that just has "excuse" written all over it. So what if it is an outlier? Or appears to be? Be that outlier. I for one am tired of rejection, wheter it be the harsh rejection of a women straight up being nasty or the look in her eyes as you talk to her that shes bored as hell as she makes blatant eye contract with her friend to come in and save her and take her away both make me feel like **** and that im an unattractive bore Being constnatly todl youre not good enough by womens reactions to you is draining id rather just not try That happens to a lot of men dude. They don't give up and stop trying. Rejection is annoying, it can be infuriating, it can even be harsh. I've had some extremely harsh rejections, and it hasn't stopped me. And consider that I have a neurological disability that I will never be able to get rid of. And still I continue to overcome. Try to give yourself a lift man, it will only help you in the long run 1
Hawakai Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 How well would you say you understand social cues, facial expressions and body language, within the context of any social interaction? Social cues? You mean women displaying common courtesy? Facial expressions, I don't bring my microscope with me, and body language is very generalist. I've seen women with closed-off body langauge and they end up going home with the guy. I've had very enthusiastic women broadcast signs of interest and upon asking them out I was rejected. One thing I learned from looking at the guys who had the looks to be successful is that women: 1) Approach the guys. 2) quickly have sex with them. 3) Don't create drama.
Art_Critic Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 I want guys to read this article because it's at least a small shred of evidence that just maybe it doesn't really matter what you look like (or maybe it does ), you just have to stop being a pussy and get on with it. So, how do you plan on rectifying your looks? Are you going to bitch about it or figure out how to get on with it? As a guy, I'll say that a personality will over shadow a man's looks. I've always considered myself average in looks but while I was in my dating years I found that a great personality and humor made me more desired than my other average peers, even to the point where I was more desired than many of the men I would say were hotter than I. If a guy works on how he presents himself, meaning dress and his personality then his looks are kinda meaningless unless the girl is just arm candy and only after a ken doll. Trick question. We want to see most women naked. or ALL, if the lights are out ..... 2
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 That happens to a lot of men dude. They don't give up and stop trying. Rejection is annoying, it can be infuriating, it can even be harsh. I've had some extremely harsh rejections, and it hasn't stopped me. And consider that I have a neurological disability that I will never be able to get rid of. And still I continue to overcome. Try to give yourself a lift man, it will only help you in the long runThis is the concept of resilience and an important element of confidence! Now let's go evopsych. How does this tie into our biological imperative for species survival?
Leigh 87 Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 I have the option of dating good looking men. Not that I consider myself anything special look wise, but I guess my personality and ease to be around, makes my average to cute looks appeal to guys who are very attractive. I never go for the hottest guy I can get Furthermore, I am NEVER drawn to looks alone! I never just think a guy is "hot", interestingly! I have to get to know a guy before I even feel any attraction towards him.... Sure, I have a type, but that has little to do with his body! It is about his eyes colouring, and personality... He could be a little chubby or a little too skinny and he would STILL be my type at first glance; the sort of look that turns me on and I where I think " hmm he's my type, nice!"
GorillaTheater Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 As a guy, I'll say that a personality will over shadow a man's looks. I've always considered myself average in looks but while I was in my dating years I found that a great personality and humor made me more desired than my other average peers, even to the point where I was more desired than many of the men I would say were hotter than I. If a guy works on how he presents himself, meaning dress and his personality then his looks are kinda meaningless unless the girl is just arm candy and only after a ken doll. My experience as well, although I was out of the game at a pretty young age. I'm not conventionally good-looking. About the best I could ever hope for is "cute". But I'm a funny guy and, in person at least, know how to draw people out. I never had alot of trouble. Some, sure, but that's part of life for everyone.
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Holy Dinah! That's the lynch pin for attraction. Selection based on adaptation.
Hawakai Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 This is the concept of resilience and an important element of confidence! Now let's go evopsych. How does this tie into our biological imperative for species survival? What do you mean by ''our''? Don't see that many posts from women who can't attract any male attention. Its mostly ''this guy slept with me right after knowing me for one week. Does he like me?'' Now compare that to the endless threads of guys asking if a gal likes them because the gal looked at them in the subway. And that is not an important element of confidence. Its nothing more than insanity, and it eventually makes the man immune to becoming enchanted over one woman in particular. He'll just keep trying and trying until he catches a break and then he realizes that the woman could have easily rejected him like all the others leading him to become cold-hearted and Player-like. I know that its hard to believe me, but its perfectly natural for men to become broken hearted or to give up because the ''natural order of life'' is way too weary on the common man. And you didn't answer my questions. Why was that?
PJKino Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Consider your logic. "I don't make myself noticeable because women don't notice me". make myself noticeable by approaching you mean?
Leigh 87 Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Lets not pretend that there are not people out there who are more fixated on looks than I am, though... My stunning Russian friend only goes for the super hot. And I have talked to an older women who was very good looking for her age, who claimed " yeah, I like good looking men with 6 packs, yummy! However, there are plenty of girls like me who are cute with good bodies, and can GET good looking guys to date them, but choose NOT to just focus on looks. The funny, friendly, and interesting dude in the room who tells interesting travel stories is MUCH more likely to get my affection, than the dude who is "better looking" but does not engage me as much as the "average" looking dude. Lol, maybe sweet and friendly cute girls like me are not good enough for a lot of the average dude haha! Hence why they complain that the bloody model look alikes won't come knocking on their door? Of course like attracts like for the most part, but most people are average, so why moan about the attractive people passing you by when you can become very sexually attracted to an average yet amazing girl/guy? An average or below average guy can get a girl like me look wise, who is cute and looks after her body and is slim. So what is so wrong with that? You beat up on yourselfs because you cannot get the models, thats a little lame...... 1
Hawakai Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 make myself noticeable by approaching you mean? Lemme see how that logic would work out. 1)Women are either stared at daily by dozens of men. 2) Women are approached daily by many men. 3)Women are either always on a date, or arranging to go on a date. How exactly would a guy who isn't approached by women aka not attractive fare better by approaching women when most other guys already approach women?
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 What do you mean by ''our''? Don't see that many posts from women who can't attract any male attention. Its mostly ''this guy slept with me right after knowing me for one week. Does he like me?'' Now compare that to the endless threads of guys asking if a gal likes them because the gal looked at them in the subway. And that is not an important element of confidence. Its nothing more than insanity, and it eventually makes the man immune to becoming enchanted over one woman in particular. He'll just keep trying and trying until he catches a break and then he realizes that the woman could have easily rejected him like all the others leading him to become cold-hearted and Player-like. I know that its hard to believe me, but its perfectly natural for men to become broken hearted or to give up because the ''natural order of life'' is way too weary on the common man. And you didn't answer my questions. Why was that?Ramp up your level of thought. You're arguing micro to a macro concept. The theory of evolution isn't survival of the fittest. It's survival of the adaptive which includes resilience and genetic mutations that allow the species to adapt in order to live longer, in order to mate for the greatest length of time.
ScreamingTrees Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Consider your logic. "I don't make myself noticeable because women don't notice me". But why don't women notice him? You'd think a chance encounter would happen here and there for most people.
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 make myself noticeable by approaching you mean?Approaching helps the odds. But also type of approach helps, as well as being the type (as defined in my other post) that she's attracted to. Wish LS rules allowed for username usage as examples but if you take a look around at the guys who are most popular on LS, you'll find examples of different ways to make yourself noticeable in a positive way.
GirlontheLam Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 This is very true. That guy from Magic Mike was just voted the Sexiest Man, and I think he's ugly. Channing-something-or-other? I find him very unattractive. Give me Andy Garcia any day. LOL! And I actually like Channing Tatum, but he is outside of my type. He got bonus points for dance skills. This article was pretty interesting. And I am always drawn to men with "youthful" faces ....hmmm and you might just use that phrase to describe me......
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 But why don't women notice him? You'd think a chance encounter would happen here and there for most people.Consider the concept of wallflowers. It's applicable, regardless of gender. How in the world can anyone get a bead on your more positive traits if you don't socialize or open up? In social situations, people gauge by externals where body language and facial expressions comprise the lions share of communications, not language. If you lock yourself against a wall with closed body language and negative or unreadable facial expressions, saying nothing, becoming one with the wall, why would a woman notice you? 1
PJKino Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Approaching helps the odds. But also type of approach helps, as well as being the type (as defined in my other post) that she's attracted to. Well its hard to know wheter your a girls type until you approach If youre saying wait for outward signs she might be interested before i apporach well id never approach then because women give me zero signs theyre intersted and beleive me i look
threebyfate Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Consider the concept of wallflowers. It's applicable, regardless of gender. How in the world can anyone get a bead on your more positive traits if you don't socialize or open up? In social situations, people gauge by externals where body language and facial expressions comprise the lions share of communications, not language. If you lock yourself against a wall with closed body language and negative or unreadable facial expressions, saying nothing, becoming one with the wall, why would a woman notice you? Well its hard to know wheter your a girls type until you approach If youre saying wait for outward signs she might be interested before i apporach well id never approach then because women give me zero signs theyre intersted and beleive me i lookRequoted my post to ScreamingTrees, since it's the same concept.
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