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I get what you are saying in this context:

 

If a woman has a type, usually a wide assortment of men would fit into it (not many, but they will all be different in some manner). If there was an average looking man in that type, she would date him. However, if he was standing next to a man who also happens to be her type, but better looking, she will choose the better looking dude.

 

I've noticed that guys who are good with women - both good looking guys and ugly guys and everything inbetween - are exceptionally good at both making themselves more attractive, and picking which women are going to be more receptive to them. This is a big factor that other guys miss out on - that ability to differentiate. It's the difference between lots of rejections and a few.

 

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The place where I disagree with you and a few other guys is that you think that women only have one type, and that is good looking, tall etc etc. You guys need to observe and talk to more women, because I suspect your social circles are fairly limited if all women are the same.

 

He doesnt really need to figrue out which women are more receptive they pretty much flock to him or give him extremely outward appereances they are attracted to him.I even saw a women try to lunge and kiss him in a bar once

 

I think if youre a pretty good looking dude "types" go out the window for a women..I think types are used more vigourously when looking for average men that women need to look for something somewhere about them that turns thme on about wheter it be eyes build hair color whatever..

 

I know i shouldnt be bitter about it but whne you hang around a guy whos so many womens "type" and you are searching long and hard to be anyones "type" and havent found it,it is draining and demoralizing..

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I love muscles and hard bodies on men. When I touch them I melt :o That's why I went after Hokie on these forums :laugh:

 

Guy I am currently seeing has an out of this world body. HUGE turn on. Face is less important although kind of cute is a bonus.

 

Apart from the body, I am drawn to certain personality type. Intelligent, stable job, kind but with some edge, sarcastic, drawn to darker art, NOT extroverted but socially confident. He just prefers to be a loner. Emotionally expressive.

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River Rain Established Member

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I dont think womens tastse in men as a whole are that radically different at all..The only women who say they arent into these tpye of guys dont say it out of not being attracted to them its out of insecurity and the fact they dont think guys like that would give em the time of day.. So they go for safer less attractvie guys they think wont cheat on them..

 

Attraction is too subjective to make a blanket statement like that, imo. It's not only attractive men/women who cheat. But I can see how you would reason it out based on your experience.

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He doesnt really need to figrue out which women are more receptive they pretty much flock to him or give him extremely outward appereances they are attracted to him.I even saw a women try to lunge and kiss him in a bar once

 

I think if youre a pretty good looking dude "types" go out the window for a women..I think types are used more vigourously when looking for average men that women need to look for something somewhere about them that turns thme on about wheter it be eyes build hair color whatever..

 

I know i shouldnt be bitter about it but whne you hang around a guy whos so many womens "type" and you are searching long and hard to be anyones "type" and havent found it,it is draining and demoralizing..

 

Oh gimme a break. I am not an attractive person, from a male or female perspective, and I guarantee if I was a boy for a day, I could get lots of attention from women.

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He doesnt really need to figrue out which women are more receptive they pretty much flock to him or give him extremely outward appereances they are attracted to him.I even saw a women try to lunge and kiss him in a bar once

 

I think if youre a pretty good looking dude "types" go out the window for a women..I think types are used more vigourously when looking for average men that women need to look for something somewhere about them that turns thme on about wheter it be eyes build hair color whatever..

 

I know i shouldnt be bitter about it but whne you hang around a guy whos so many womens "type" and you are searching long and hard to be anyones "type" and havent found it,it is draining and demoralizing..

Exactly, which is why I believe you're wrong. Because you're bitter about it, and you have a good looking friend who attracts women. Those kind of guys are not common, and as such, they do not have the monopoly on all women. Regardless of how many times guys repeat it on the internet.

 

And like I said, women may approach him because he's good looking, but I guarantee you that you never see the times that he's been rejected before.

 

You need to have some uglier friends then, so you can be the good looking one :D. Or actually figure out how to be more attractive.

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They will agree he's good looking, sure. But I don't think a majority would sleep with him.

 

You guys exaggerate this so much it's hilarious.

 

The vast majority of women would look at the eye candy and ditch him for the guy that makes her feel like "the only girl in the world."

 

To throw on a cliche.

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Uh...what's a shy badboy? I never hear people say that. Can my uncle be a shy babdboy since he dont talk alot & does dodgy stuff sometimes?

 

LOL. A shy bad boy is a guy who is shy and quiet, but he has that mischievous sparkle in his eye. It isn't about being dodgy - it's about knowing that he's got a dirty side under his quiet exterior. LOL

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pteromom Established Member

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pteromom looks for the smile and the twinkle in his eye -- sounds like personality to me!

 

Most of the posts here reinforce that women are just less looks/visually oriented than men -- unless the "looks" are associated with some non-physical personality trait.

 

For the record, at some point in my life I decided to beef up my skinny body with time in the gym -- it worked, and improved my romantic life -- I think more because I felt better about myself, than the change in my looks itself. I think most women appreciate some muscle -- not too much, but some -- but a guy's body just isn't nearly as important to women as a female bod is to men.

 

It depends on the woman, but I'd say in general, you are correct. And I don't care about muscle, but I care about a guy wanting to be healthy. It's not about looks as much as it is just about showing that he takes care of himself.

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River Rain Established Member

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LOL. A shy bad boy is a guy who is shy and quiet, but he has that mischievous sparkle in his eye. It isn't about being dodgy - it's about knowing that he's got a dirty side under his quiet exterior. LOL

 

Oooh, yes, the dirty side...that's always good. My ex looked like a roughed up WWE wrestler, kind of average looking though and very shy. But he did have that ability to turn me on with his words. Just another piece of the attraction puzzle.

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I know i shouldnt be bitter about it but whne you hang around a guy whos so many womens "type" and you are searching long and hard to be anyones "type" and havent found it,it is draining and demoralizing..

 

If you are focusing on being someone's "type", you are focusing on the wrong thing. You just have to be who you are, and be ok with who you are.

 

Heck, if you can just get down ONE thing, you will likely be able to attract women (assuming you aren't just hideous - I don't know what you look like.) If you can learn to look a woman in the eyes and give an honest smile, even (and in some cases, especially) if it is a shy embarrassed smile, you are gonna find women who would be attracted to you.

 

I was never attracted to the center-of-attention guy who had ladies flocking to him. I was always attracted to his quiet friend. The problem was that the shy guys were too shy to make a move, and I was too unsure of my own attractiveness to make a move myself.

 

Next time you are out with your womanizing friend, watch him. If he is flirting with a group of women, there will probably be one girl who keeps looking at you instead of him. If that's the case, TALK TO HER. You never know.

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If you are focusing on being someone's "type", you are focusing on the wrong thing. You just have to be who you are, and be ok with who you are.

 

Heck, if you can just get down ONE thing, you will likely be able to attract women (assuming you aren't just hideous - I don't know what you look like.) If you can learn to look a woman in the eyes and give an honest smile, even (and in some cases, especially) if it is a shy embarrassed smile, you are gonna find women who would be attracted to you.

 

I was never attracted to the center-of-attention guy who had ladies flocking to him. I was always attracted to his quiet friend. The problem was that the shy guys were too shy to make a move, and I was too unsure of my own attractiveness to make a move myself.

 

Next time you are out with your womanizing friend, watch him. If he is flirting with a group of women, there will probably be one girl who keeps looking at you instead of him. If that's the case, TALK TO HER. You never know.

 

I like some stuff u like to say it sounds really insightful & good :). I used to be shy when I was a kid but it made me feel bad so I broke out of it in college & started talking to lots of girls alot & 99% of the time failed :(. My uncle always gets lots of girls & all ages but these girls like doing what he always does like smoking weed & drinking & doing underground parties all the time & I dont like that. NYC is so hard to connect to people 'cause alot of them dont wanna connect unless they already know u from somewhere else & then u get the people that act cool to u one day & then dont know u when u see them the next. Boy boy boy :o.

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dreamingoftigers Established Member

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I don't think that it is so odd that women's attractions function in different ways than men's.

 

Here are my thoughts on it: unscientific, based purely on what I have read and observed and experienced myself.

 

With women, when going to screw someone is a lot different than dating someone. The two don't fall on the same spectra at all.

 

Kind of how a lot of guys wouldn't want a porn star for a girlfriend. Because, well, obviously that isn't going to be great for a relationship.

 

Overall I don't prefer the "hot guy" and most women don't prefer him for long-term options. We don't take him as seriously. We'd like a "reasonably handsome" guy but not a guy that unstable, more primal women will throw themselves at on a regular basis. We want the guy that'll get our motor running, but not be CONSTANTLY at risk of being seduced.

 

When I was younger, I met "hot guy" and I knew pretty much right off the bat that he wasn't "long term" guy. We went out a few times but only because I was conflicted about how I felt about casual sex. I KNEW he wasn't THE guy, but to my 19-year-old primal brain, he was like a drug. I did sleep with him. It was awful. To this day when I see "hot guys" they turn me off because my brain associates that with bad sex.

 

And I felt pretty damn guilty after that because he started talking "kids, commitment, lurrvee" etc. but truthfully he was in over his head. So, um, I used someone..... and I didn't like it. I had other short-term encounters before that, but they didn't bother me so much because they were so obviously short-term.

 

Short-term attractions weren't on the list of things I wanted to pursue. Often when we women have a "short-term attraction" they cause some guilt or shame after. Or we just know that we can't take the guy seriously at all or that he wouldn't take us seriously, so there is almost a bit of freedom there. Kind of a double-edged sword: feels like NSA sex, but really there are some risks there.

 

I have found too that whomever I had the last sexual encounter with sticks in my mind. (Obviously for the last 8 years or so, this has been my husband). When I was single, if I messed around with a guy and had an orgasm (physiologically powerful for women) that he would be on my mind day-to-day or so until I was with someone else. I think that is part of primal bonding. Maybe in case we get pregnant or something, we can seek out buddy and demand cave-man child support.

 

But as soon as I got with a different guy.... guy 1 would disappear.

 

I also learned that far more than looks triggered my lust. In fact, "hot guy" was the only one I found that triggered that response in a way that led to something. I have only had it happen two other times in my whole life and the guys basically looked the same, and their looks were very exceptional. Blonde hair, blue eyes and something about their features. Any other men that I have had a physical attraction to had to be built up. OR they had to have some other identifying attractor.

 

I have a feeling that I am not explaining this as well as I had hoped.

 

Let me try again:

 

1) There are MANY MANY different attractors for ME. I would imagine that it would be similar for other women.

 

2) Some are short-term and some are long-term (IMHO)

 

3) In order to physiologically bond with someone, I need to have an orgasm (a few helps)!

 

4) That orgasm makes me think about a guy for MONTHS.

 

5) Orgasms make an unattractive guy seem like a sex god.....

 

6) But before we get there.... yes.... good-looking guys will probably appeal to primal brain. BUT that is not the only thing that primal brain responds to! In my husband's case he was reasonable-looking (I find him so handsome now, but I wrote in my journal exactly what I thought of him and his hitting on me very early on). BUT he made me LAUGH and forget all about my anxieties. He listened to my pain at the time. He kept pursuing and didn't just give up. The big thing that got me thinking sexually about him was that after he listened, made me laugh and formed a rudimentary friendship with me: he let me know just how much he wanted to **** me. But he also let me know that it wasn't the end of the world if I didn't, he wasn't going to turn into "angry/crazy/depressed" man over it. He'd just move on. We could be friends, he wasn't going to push me, but he wasn't going to dedicate his life to getting me in bed. Plus he also let me know how much he wanted ME to enjoy being in bed with him. And he delivered this all with a smile on his face.

 

Next week we started messing around. BUT I waited longer for sex (much longer, and he didn't push me)

 

Money? Status? ha ha. Believe it or not, my husband has been pretty slutty in his youth. 60+ women by the time he was 26 and having a two-year engagement somewhere in there.

 

His money and status included whatever he could panhandle and his backpack.

 

See? Women are very different.... I would never choose someone homeless to get involved with now that I am older and have a little more perspective. I was actually pretty reluctant because of his lifestyle and his past with women.

 

BUT once he got primal brain triggered and trusting, it was like a landslide from there.

 

A lot of women in that mall in the video had a pretty clear set of attractions.

 

You don't see me in a mall almost ever. I don't like to shop, if I do, it is mostly second-hand. I am not interested in "trends" "brand-name" and "status." So you have a set of women who would be more likely to want something/someone "trendy" or with "status" and they would even be curious as to what that "trendy" person would be all about. Gee, do you think that would be triggering for them? Probably.

 

I remember being in a mall with a friend when this boy band came for a tour "3 deep." Not interesting to me at all. In fact I remember thinking "who cares, no one even knows who these guys are." But yes, a trove of women showed up and they shrieked etc. Annoying. That same friend had Jonathan Taylor Thomas posters all over her bedroom. (ALL OVER) I had the Solar System and Human Systems all over mine LOL.

 

I actually celebrated the day we ripped off those posters from her wall. He looked like a little boy.... yuck.... same with those boy band types.

 

I like my guys thick and fair-coloured. I have been attracted to other-race men but its rarer. I think that a lot of our preferences (not orientation per se) get set in childhood. My city back in the 80s barely had any other races. In fact I didn't see my first black person in real life until I was 11. Only in the last couple years have I noticed their attractiveness (this isn't really as bad as it sounds, I get my "attractiveness meter" sparked like 2-3 times a year).

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I was never attracted to the center-of-attention guy who had ladies flocking to him. I was always attracted to his quiet friend. The problem was that the shy guys were too shy to make a move, and I was too unsure of my own attractiveness to make a move myself.

 

Next time you are out with your womanizing friend, watch him. If he is flirting with a group of women, there will probably be one girl who keeps looking at you instead of him. If that's the case, TALK TO HER. You never know.

 

That was me 100% when I was younger.

 

I'd see the singing/dancing/football star as being somehow "less than" manly. It just seemed like (please no offence) "pandering to get pussy."

 

Why the heck would I want to show up with a bunch of women just to flatter some guy? It just seemed so backwards.

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I think the verbal/conversational responsiveness in men is HUGE for attractiveness.

 

Probably bigger than any other factor.

 

I remember one guy said to me "You always find the COOLEST **** to read!"

 

I swooned. :laugh:

 

He was clearly listening to what I was saying and having an interest in something I brought up. Even though I don't think his comprehension was all that great. He responded to ME on a level where most guys don't form that appreciation. It's always, "your ass looks great in those pants."

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Smoke screen. XX attraction to XY is a function of looks primarily. All else is a smoke screen.

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Smoke screen. XX attraction to XY is a function of looks primarily. All else is a smoke screen.

 

If buddy can't hold up a basic conversation with me, he can be Adonis, but he would never get in my bed.

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Thank you for your honesty. Problem is the likes of you are far and few between to make a difference.

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I don't think that it is so odd that women's attractions function in different ways than men's.

 

Here are my thoughts on it: unscientific, based purely on what I have read and observed and experienced myself.

 

With women, when going to screw someone is a lot different than dating someone. The two don't fall on the same spectra at all.

 

Kind of how a lot of guys wouldn't want a porn star for a girlfriend. Because, well, obviously that isn't going to be great for a relationship.

 

Overall I don't prefer the "hot guy" and most women don't prefer him for long-term options. We don't take him as seriously. We'd like a "reasonably handsome" guy but not a guy that unstable, more primal women will throw themselves at on a regular basis. We want the guy that'll get our motor running, but not be CONSTANTLY at risk of being seduced.

 

When I was younger, I met "hot guy" and I knew pretty much right off the bat that he wasn't "long term" guy. We went out a few times but only because I was conflicted about how I felt about casual sex. I KNEW he wasn't THE guy, but to my 19-year-old primal brain, he was like a drug. I did sleep with him. It was awful. To this day when I see "hot guys" they turn me off because my brain associates that with bad sex.

 

And I felt pretty damn guilty after that because he started talking "kids, commitment, lurrvee" etc. but truthfully he was in over his head. So, um, I used someone..... and I didn't like it. I had other short-term encounters before that, but they didn't bother me so much because they were so obviously short-term.

 

Short-term attractions weren't on the list of things I wanted to pursue. Often when we women have a "short-term attraction" they cause some guilt or shame after. Or we just know that we can't take the guy seriously at all or that he wouldn't take us seriously, so there is almost a bit of freedom there. Kind of a double-edged sword: feels like NSA sex, but really there are some risks there.

 

I have found too that whomever I had the last sexual encounter with sticks in my mind. (Obviously for the last 8 years or so, this has been my husband). When I was single, if I messed around with a guy and had an orgasm (physiologically powerful for women) that he would be on my mind day-to-day or so until I was with someone else. I think that is part of primal bonding. Maybe in case we get pregnant or something, we can seek out buddy and demand cave-man child support.

 

But as soon as I got with a different guy.... guy 1 would disappear.

 

I also learned that far more than looks triggered my lust. In fact, "hot guy" was the only one I found that triggered that response in a way that led to something. I have only had it happen two other times in my whole life and the guys basically looked the same, and their looks were very exceptional. Blonde hair, blue eyes and something about their features. Any other men that I have had a physical attraction to had to be built up. OR they had to have some other identifying attractor.

 

I have a feeling that I am not explaining this as well as I had hoped.

 

Let me try again:

 

1) There are MANY MANY different attractors for ME. I would imagine that it would be similar for other women.

 

2) Some are short-term and some are long-term (IMHO)

 

3) In order to physiologically bond with someone, I need to have an orgasm (a few helps)!

 

4) That orgasm makes me think about a guy for MONTHS.

 

5) Orgasms make an unattractive guy seem like a sex god.....

 

6) But before we get there.... yes.... good-looking guys will probably appeal to primal brain. BUT that is not the only thing that primal brain responds to! In my husband's case he was reasonable-looking (I find him so handsome now, but I wrote in my journal exactly what I thought of him and his hitting on me very early on). BUT he made me LAUGH and forget all about my anxieties. He listened to my pain at the time. He kept pursuing and didn't just give up. The big thing that got me thinking sexually about him was that after he listened, made me laugh and formed a rudimentary friendship with me: he let me know just how much he wanted to **** me. But he also let me know that it wasn't the end of the world if I didn't, he wasn't going to turn into "angry/crazy/depressed" man over it. He'd just move on. We could be friends, he wasn't going to push me, but he wasn't going to dedicate his life to getting me in bed. Plus he also let me know how much he wanted ME to enjoy being in bed with him. And he delivered this all with a smile on his face.

 

Next week we started messing around. BUT I waited longer for sex (much longer, and he didn't push me)

 

Money? Status? ha ha. Believe it or not, my husband has been pretty slutty in his youth. 60+ women by the time he was 26 and having a two-year engagement somewhere in there.

 

His money and status included whatever he could panhandle and his backpack.

 

See? Women are very different.... I would never choose someone homeless to get involved with now that I am older and have a little more perspective. I was actually pretty reluctant because of his lifestyle and his past with women.

 

BUT once he got primal brain triggered and trusting, it was like a landslide from there.

 

A lot of women in that mall in the video had a pretty clear set of attractions.

 

You don't see me in a mall almost ever. I don't like to shop, if I do, it is mostly second-hand. I am not interested in "trends" "brand-name" and "status." So you have a set of women who would be more likely to want something/someone "trendy" or with "status" and they would even be curious as to what that "trendy" person would be all about. Gee, do you think that would be triggering for them? Probably.

 

I remember being in a mall with a friend when this boy band came for a tour "3 deep." Not interesting to me at all. In fact I remember thinking "who cares, no one even knows who these guys are." But yes, a trove of women showed up and they shrieked etc. Annoying. That same friend had Jonathan Taylor Thomas posters all over her bedroom. (ALL OVER) I had the Solar System and Human Systems all over mine LOL.

 

I actually celebrated the day we ripped off those posters from her wall. He looked like a little boy.... yuck.... same with those boy band types.

 

I like my guys thick and fair-coloured. I have been attracted to other-race men but its rarer. I think that a lot of our preferences (not orientation per se) get set in childhood. My city back in the 80s barely had any other races. In fact I didn't see my first black person in real life until I was 11. Only in the last couple years have I noticed their attractiveness (this isn't really as bad as it sounds, I get my "attractiveness meter" sparked like 2-3 times a year).

 

Unfortunately i think you are an exception in your thinking not the norm

 

Hangin around websites like pof and datehookup the nastines and shallowness of 99% of women on there is scary

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Unfortunately i think you are an exception in your thinking not the norm

 

Hangin around websites like pof and datehookup the nastines and shallowness of 99% of women on there is scary

 

Then I would suggest fishing from a different pond...

 

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this....."

 

I have noticed quite a shift in the younger generation, the very thing that most of you guys venerate is setting up the women you want to reject you: pornography.

 

Women who most likely otherwise wouldn't be hooked on the visual stimulation quite so critically, have been now regularly exposed to high-power visual images and it isn't just affecting men. It changes your sexual programming. I found it even changed mine when I was younger.

 

It gives you the confirmed idea that sex is with |this set| of people and they are all disposable. You just keep switching partners within |this set|.

 

So |this set| of people becomes super-desirable in real life where 30 or so years ago, sexual programming would be more diverse.

 

Try finding a nice young woman to talk to at a church that isn't completely off of its nut.

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Beats me.

 

I think it's likely what their perception shows them - they see their good looking friends getting all the attention and conclude that women only like looks. Then they see women with men that have money/status/insert other attractive attribute, and then conclude that this is what they want.

 

It's linear thinking, and the belief that attraction SHOULD be logical, when it isn't and never will be - and thus no true desire to understand and adapt according to attraction. Not to change oneself, but to understand that women all have a type, and if you're persistent you can find a woman who puts you in that bracket. Simples.

 

 

First you say that these guys see the good-looking guys get all the attention, then you say that these fellas see women go for the men with high status or fame, and then you conclude your observation that these guys see all the top notch men get all of the female attention with ''every woman has her type''.

 

Yeah, tall, muscular, handsome, rich or famous.

 

What's your point?

 

I'm not sure how you're qualified to speak of what women want and don't want in men. You sound young(idealistic, that is), you're autistic and it seems that having sex with a promiscuous chick(yeah, I've read your posts) made you feel like you're an authority on women. Its cute.. but, really?

 

Attraction is logical. Yesterday I watched a guy who couldn't be more than 4'11'' feet tall at the age of 20 with a 6 feet tall girl. And she was fit and cute. Was it his personality what made her want him? Yeah, if you can count an audi as a personality trait.

I have noticed quite a shift in the younger generation, the very thing that most of you guys venerate is setting up the women you want to reject you: pornography.

The shift you've noticed is an immense amount of young men who, tired of being treated like garbage in HS, decided that the deck is impossibly stacked against them, by average-looking women, so these guys decided to stick to porn and instead of bothering with women, they're becoming both academically and socially educated and they're saving themselves from a lot of heartache(and stds).

 

Its rather silly to believe that men's lack of success with women has its origins in high expectations.. that they're only interested in the hottest of women, and that the young women who are average and below are either stuck at home on a saturday night or have no other chance but to date the highly desirable men.

 

Try finding a nice young woman to talk to at a church that isn't completely off of its nut.

 

Try finding a healthy set of teeth in an Amazonian Tribe. You'll have better luck with that.

 

Nowadays Church is the hunting grounds for born-again virgins and for women looking to find a guy with little experience. Nearly all of the women(and that accounts for the average, below average, decent, sweet, caring blablabla girls) who went to Church with me had boyfriends and were highly sexually active. That guy you just quoted should stick to porn. Relationships aren't even all that great anyway.

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First you say that these guys see the good-looking guys get all the attention, then you say that these fellas see women go for the men with high status or fame, and then you conclude your observation that these guys see all the top notch men get all of the female attention with ''every woman has her type''.

 

Yeah, tall, muscular, handsome, rich or famous.

 

What's your point?

 

I'm not sure how you're qualified to speak of what women want and don't want in men. You sound young(idealistic, that is), you're autistic and it seems that having sex with a promiscuous chick(yeah, I've read your posts) made you feel like you're an authority on women. Its cute.. but, really?

 

Attraction is logical. Yesterday I watched a guy who couldn't be more than 4'11'' feet tall at the age of 20 with a 6 feet tall girl. And she was fit and cute. Was it his personality what made her want him? Yeah, if you can count an audi as a personality trait.

The shift you've noticed is an immense amount of young men who, tired of being treated like garbage in HS, decided that the deck is impossibly stacked against them, by average-looking women, so these guys decided to stick to porn and instead of bothering with women, they're becoming both academically and socially educated and they're saving themselves from a lot of heartache(and stds).

 

Its rather silly to believe that men's lack of success with women has its origins in high expectations.. that they're only interested in the hottest of women, and that the young women who are average and below are either stuck at home on a saturday night or have no other chance but to date the highly desirable men.

 

 

 

Try finding a healthy set of teeth in an Amazonian Tribe. You'll have better luck with that.

 

Nowadays Church is the hunting grounds for born-again virgins and for women looking to find a guy with little experience. Nearly all of the women(and that accounts for the average, below average, decent, sweet, caring blablabla girls) who went to Church with me had boyfriends and were highly sexually active. That guy you just quoted should stick to porn. Relationships aren't even all that great anyway.

My own observations have been varied. I have seen all manner of guys doing well. I've seen tall model-looking guys get passed over in the club for the short, broke dude dancing with a bottle of cider in his hand. I have an old friend who is 5 foot 2, who is marrying a gorgeous woman, and I don't know how he did it because last I heard, he wasn't rich either :laugh:. Hence, my point is that constantly bitching and pontificating about good looking/rich/famous/tall guys getting all the girls is about as useful as putting your cock in a magic bullet blender and I don't understand why guys still do it.

 

Bear in mind, I also have a rather large and extensive social network, also considering I am a musician, so I have met a lot of people over the years. So it is not as if I pulled these anecdotes out of my ass and drawn my own theories out of that. When I say women have a type, it means that some of them might actually not like tall guys, or care that they are rich, or may have their own definition of what they find good looking. I've seen all kinds of guys do well with women, sometimes at the expense of guys who are better on paper and even aesthetically. Ironically, I'm the lame dude who took forever to get his foot in the door :laugh:. Although, if you listen to the dudes here, they will probably tell you it's because I'm tall or some sh*t :rolleyes:.

 

And no, attraction is not logical. Just because that 6 foot girl is with a 4 foot 11 guy, doesn't mean that she's with him for his car, she might actually be attracted to him. And if she isn't attracted to him, she's probably cheating on him right now.

 

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Hence, my point is that constantly bitching and pontificating about good looking/rich/famous/tall guys getting all the girls is about as useful as putting your cock in a magic bullet blender and I don't understand why guys still do it.

 

I agree with this. And I think the same goes for women who are constantly dissing men because of stereotypes. We are all individuals with different preferences for the opposite sex. Nothing is black or white.

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My own observations have been varied. I have seen all manner of guys doing well. I've seen tall model-looking guys get passed over in the club for the short, broke dude dancing with a bottle of cider in his hand. I have an old friend who is 5 foot 2, who is marrying a gorgeous woman, and I don't know how he did it because last I heard, he wasn't rich either :laugh:. Hence, my point is that constantly bitching and pontificating about good looking/rich/famous/tall guys getting all the girls is about as useful as putting your cock in a magic bullet blender and I don't understand why guys still do it.

 

Bear in mind, I also have a rather large and extensive social network, also considering I am a musician, so I have met a lot of people over the years. So it is not as if I pulled these anecdotes out of my ass and drawn my own theories out of that. When I say women have a type, it means that some of them might actually not like tall guys, or care that they are rich, or may have their own definition of what they find good looking. I've seen all kinds of guys do well with women, sometimes at the expense of guys who are better on paper and even aesthetically. Ironically, I'm the lame dude who took forever to get his foot in the door :laugh:. Although, if you listen to the dudes here, they will probably tell you it's because I'm tall or some sh*t :rolleyes:.

 

And no, attraction is not logical. Just because that 6 foot girl is with a 4 foot 11 guy, doesn't mean that she's with him for his car, she might actually be attracted to him. And if she isn't attracted to him, she's probably cheating on him right now.

 

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Just to put a disclaimer:

 

I don't claim that my POV is the absolute truth and I recognize, perhaps belatedly, that everybody's reality is different. I just admittedly do not understand the desire to view everything so negatively. I understand women do some sh*tty things, as do men, but you will never stop people from behaving like sh*t, even if you call them on it. I just get on with it. If I wasn't able to do that, even that "promiscuous chick" I finally got, wouldn't have had sex with me.

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Its rather silly to believe that men's lack of success with women has its origins in high expectations.. that they're only interested in the hottest of women, and that the young women who are average and below are either stuck at home on a saturday night or have no other chance but to date the highly desirable men.[/Quote]

 

You can't tell me that staring at hundreds of airbrushed vaginas online everyday motivates a guy to get out there and start finding the real thing with an average girl.... you must be lost.

 

And yeah, it kinda works that way for both genders.

 

Go on some sites talking about the effects of porn on young men and women. Having had it affect my marriage and one other relationship, I can pretty much say that for some men, it really leaves a path of destruction.

 

 

Try finding a healthy set of teeth in an Amazonian Tribe. You'll have better luck with that.

 

Nowadays Church is the hunting grounds for born-again virgins and for women looking to find a guy with little experience. Nearly all of the women(and that accounts for the average, below average, decent, sweet, caring blablabla girls) who went to Church with me had boyfriends and were highly sexually active. That guy you just quoted should stick to porn. Relationships aren't even all that great anyway.

 

 

Amazonian teeth have some pretty good track records ironically. So did plenty of the folks on the Pacific Islands before refined sugars were introduced into their diets.

 

This thread is about a guy wondering about women and what they are attracted to.... and it turns out... how he can attract one.

 

You have your opinion. I have mine. You think he should give up and stick with porn or go out and get himself a nice car. Alright, fine. The doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

It doesn't matter the girl's past as much as finding someone who doesn't have a "disposable" attitude regarding sex if he does want an LTR.

POF or any OLD is less likely to provide that.

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My mother and father are a funny example of opposite rules to what many of the (skeptical) guys are posting up here.

 

My mother could have had ANYONE> she was beautiful and got hit on A LOT. She dated a lot. Her sister still rants about it. (Those genes skipped right over me!)

 

My father was (and well, depending on who you ask still is) a loser.

 

My mother's father is/was also incredibly wealthy. He worked in oil and gas and then owned a small chain of gas stations told sold out to Ultramar.

 

He owned a crapload of property in florida and has retired very well-off there with his mistress. He can't stand my father.

 

Anyhow. My father looks...odd... just weird. He looks kind of like a frog with bug-eyes. (oh yeah, thanks for those genes, Dad).)

 

He was raised in disgusting poverty 5th of 9 children. Very abusive background, miserable personality.

 

But sheer, pure determination. After my mother for a month or so just to get a date. Her family told him to go away. Eventually he did and then my mother realized that she "missed him."

 

Ironically enough, he became a millionaire as well, but their financial stuff is really boom-bust. They don't know how to manage it. They are also both really selfish. But there is clearly something that lasts there. They've been together close to 40 years.

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