SJC2008 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I read an article. That said OLD is becoming less taboo and more women are doing it. Infact, this article claimed it was 2nd or 3rd after meeting through mutal friends (I don't remember if it was 2nd or 3rd but that's close). TBS we all know that men struggle online unless they are very good looking. The average/cute men can't get dates from average/cute women becuase she gets a lot of attentiona and why would she go out with an average guy if she can get dates from a better looking man? So are we screwed? I'm gonna have to pick up my bar game becasue I have know where else to meet women.
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I read an article. That said OLD is becoming less taboo and more women are doing it. Infact, this article claimed it was 2nd or 3rd after meeting through mutal friends (I don't remember if it was 2nd or 3rd but that's close). TBS we all know that men struggle online unless they are very good looking. The average/cute men can't get dates from average/cute women becuase she gets a lot of attentiona and why would she go out with an average guy if she can get dates from a better looking man? So are we screwed? I'm gonna have to pick up my bar game becasue I have know where else to meet women. And why are you assuming the hotter men would go for the average woman?? why are you assuming the "cock carousel" is even vaguely reality? If you're going to be mad at anyone, why aren't you mad at the hot guys with their supposedly plethora of women?
Author SJC2008 Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 I know wha'ts comming. Work on your "social skills", join groups etc. That's fine understood. But as OLD becomes less taboo, there are chances if you meet a woman IRL she'll have an OLD account too. It's happened to me once already. I met a about a year and a half ago IRL. She never called me back and I was trying to be more proavitce in finding someone so I decided to sighn up for OLD and walah, there she was!!! I guess her "I'm not ready to get back out there" line was BS because she was online, probably multi dating.
AD1980 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 us short men would start to die out if old became how most people met though im sure that wouldnt upset women:lmao:
MrCastle Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Online dating sites are futile. But there are other ways to score online. Lately I've seen and heard quite a few people meeting through social media outlets. Facebook, Twitter, even Instagram. You connect with a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever, get to know each other and then agree to meet up. I would assume a lot more women are doing that since there is still a stigma attached to online dating that says if you're considerably attractive and using OLD you have severe personality flaws. At least with social media it's low pressure and it's one of those "just sort of happened" things as opposed to "I was desperate to find a date so I joined a dating site and started meeting strangers". All of that said, real life interactions will never be beat. The more technology advances, the happier I get. Fewer and fewer men seem to know how to interact with women in real life and this has worked in my favor because I do. 1
Author SJC2008 Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 And why are you assuming the hotter men would go for the average woman?? why are you assuming the "cock carousel" is even vaguely reality? If you're going to be mad at anyone, why aren't you mad at the hot guys with their supposedly plethora of women? They go for the average women because it's an easy lay. Why else would an average women ignore an average man?? I'm not saying just becasue a woman is average she HAS to be attracted to me. What I'm saying is that after getting ignored over and over you start to think?? Hmm?? I've gotten dates IRL from women more attractive than these women who are ignoring me so wha'ts going on?? Then you read the many 3rd date pumped and dumped stories here and a lightbulb goes off!!! The hotter men go for the average women becuase it's an easy lay. But they don't learn, it's rinse and repeat. 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Yawn. My goal is to quietly build my life and then one day the market for inexperienced but stable and relatively good looking 35 year old men will be great. I bet I won't even have to try, women will just throw themselves at me. Just 11 more years... 1
mysteryscape Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 You might think so if you heard what women say about OLD. About how many losers they attract, etc etc etc. Of course, I am more familiar with an older crowd since I am older. But you can hear it too from younger women if you read various forums. A lot of it has to do with hypocrisy. A lot of people want somebody good looking but get angry that the opposite sex is not interested in someone (like themselves) with average looks. "The men are so shallow about looks, and most of them are not that great looking, or if they're handsome, they're just not my type." Or they want to have complete freedom for themselves but get bent out of shape when Date #5 goes poof on them. "He expected to have a serious relationship right off the bat and I want to be free to date around" "It got hot and heavy the first date but then he didn't call me back." Or they complain about people who are cautious about getting emotionally involved, but wonder why when they reveal that they have actually been mooning over Date #2 off and on for months. "Joe wouldn't open up about himself, and then when I told him I love Ed, he got all miffed, as if we were supposed to be looking for a serious relationship." And on and on and on and on .... Oy, it makes my ears ache. I'll tell you, vast numbers of the women have been on the same site for over a year, sometimes for many years. And will tell you how much work it is, how low the return, how low quality the men are, how men only want one thing, how they are all shorter than they say, 50 lbs heavier, blah blah blah. And I suspect you get much the same story from a lot of men. It works for some people, but I suspect not that many. On the whole, I'm not sure it's a helpful thing. I don't know if I would go back to try it again. Heaven help us all! 1
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 They go for the average women because it's an easy lay. Why else would an average women ignore an average man?? I'm not saying just becasue a woman is average she HAS to be attracted to me. What I'm saying is that after getting ignored over and over you start to think?? Hmm?? I've gotten dates IRL from women more attractive than these women who are ignoring me so wha'ts going on?? Then you read the many 3rd date pumped and dumped stories here and a lightbulb goes off!!! The hotter men go for the average women becuase it's an easy lay. But they don't learn, it's rinse and repeat. Maybe they're ignoring you because your profile sucks. Or you're a low percent match. Or because there's some huge red flag in your questions. Maybe the "hotter" guys just have profiles that are lacking in these. And again, why is the responsibility on women to learn, instead of hot guys to stop manipulating and using women?
MrCastle Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 They go for the average women because it's an easy lay. Why else would an average women ignore an average man?? I'm not saying just becasue a woman is average she HAS to be attracted to me. What I'm saying is that after getting ignored over and over you start to think?? Hmm?? I've gotten dates IRL from women more attractive than these women who are ignoring me so wha'ts going on?? Then you read the many 3rd date pumped and dumped stories here and a lightbulb goes off!!! The hotter men go for the average women becuase it's an easy lay. But they don't learn, it's rinse and repeat. Yeah I must say the stuff I read on pua forums is pretty disgusting when it comes to OLD. Guys bragging about their exploits and degrading them. Stuff like "So this hb 6.5 wanted me to come over but you guys know my rule, I don't do anything for a girl under 8. Plus it was snowing so I didn't want to make the trip, just wanted the lay. I knew it would be easy since she's a 6.5 so I just told her I couldn't make the trip but if she wanted to come I'd be very happy. Well she showed up (in a snow storm!) and we banged. I'm probably gonna just let this one go, kind of upset I dropped my standards a little bit." Of course girls don't see that when OLD. When they see a significantly good looking guy with an online profile they think it's totally legit. They don't stop to think why a man that good looking is online.
River Rain Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Here's my brutally honest opinion. I think it's pretty much true. I'm on a dating site, and I've gotten lots of message from guys. The picture is the first thing you see, so I definitely weed out the guys I find less attractive physically. This doesn't make me shallow because what I think is attractive is different from what another woman will. I'm sure men do the same though. There seems to be so many choices for women, that's what we do, any woman who tells you otherwise isn't being completely honest, the first impression in OLD is the photo. And I agree that women have more choice, definitely. It seems unfair, but that's how it goes with OLD. Having said that, I really don't put too much stock into OLD because it seems like more of a fantasy to me. Like Mr. Castle, real life dating is what I want. Looks still matter a lot because let's be honest, if you're not physically attracted to a man/woman in some way, how can you imagine every kissing him/her ? But when you're with someone in real life, you are in a completely different dynamic, you have the full package, not just a picture and some words to go by. Attraction does evolve if all the elements seem to match.
Author SJC2008 Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 Yeah I must say the stuff I read on pua forums is pretty disgusting when it comes to OLD. Guys bragging about their exploits and degrading them. Stuff like "So this hb 6.5 wanted me to come over but you guys know my rule, I don't do anything for a girl under 8. Plus it was snowing so I didn't want to make the trip, just wanted the lay. I knew it would be easy since she's a 6.5 so I just told her I couldn't make the trip but if she wanted to come I'd be very happy. Well she showed up (in a snow storm!) and we banged. I'm probably gonna just let this one go, kind of upset I dropped my standards a little bit." Of course girls don't see that when OLD. When they see a significantly good looking guy with an online profile they think it's totally legit. They don't stop to think why a man that good looking is online. Right but when does the light bulb go off that they're gettin used for easy sex?? The men who want r's are there but they ignore them becuase they think they're in a higher league all of a sudden and ignroe them. Men will sleep with a woman 3 points below them so women think they're better looking than they are. They don't realize that the guy that they will eventually wind up marrying is not going to be as good looking as the stud using them for easy sex.
MrCastle Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 And again, why is the responsibility on women to learn, instead of hot guys to stop manipulating and using women? Why should men be responsible for the vulnerability and ignorance of women? It's called adaptation. Learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others. Use that knowledge to make wiser decisions. There will always be people out there who take advantage of you. You have to recognize it and avoid it.
AD1980 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Right but when does the light bulb go off that they're gettin used for easy sex?? The men who want r's are there but they ignore them becuase they think they're in a higher league all of a sudden and ignroe them. Men will sleep with a woman 3 points below them so women think they're better looking than they are. They don't realize that the guy that they will eventually wind up marrying is not going to be as good looking as the stud using them for easy sex. Thats what i see, my good looking friend since hes divorced has been on a tear lately and sometimes sleeps with plainer women because theyre easier for him to have a one night stand with with. Some of these women think they can bang their way too a relationship with him and he wants nothing to do with them afterwards meanwhile a guy like me who would treat them much better then my friend and is closer to their "league" so to speak they want nothing to do with me romantically and would rather throw their dignity away and try to trap my friend into a relationship through their vagina then when they get burned whine that all men are jerks its very frustrating and demoralizing to me
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Why should men be responsible for the vulnerability and ignorance of women? It's called adaptation. Learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others. Use that knowledge to make wiser decisions. There will always be people out there who take advantage of you. You have to recognize it and avoid it. How the heck am I supposed to learn from the mistakes of women I've never met? How in the world am I supposed to adapt when the PUA community is apparently coming up with new and brutal ways to manipulate my emotions and "penetrate my bitch shield"? How am I supposed to find love.... love, something that requires honesty and vulnerability.... when it seems the entire world is descending into one mad rush for control?
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 It is 100% reality. Any conventionally unattractive girl will get a flooded inbox within a week Oh what the hell ever. I have dis proven this myself, over and over, on this forum. I have my profile up on three different sites, and I haven't gotten a single viable message in months. (A few months ago, a guy who had never finished high school, was 5 years younger than me, unemployed, and with a compatibility rating of under 50% sent me a message asking if I wanted to screw. Be still my heart.)
ThaWholigan Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 It is 100% reality. Any conventionally unattractive girl will get a flooded inbox within a week Everyone deserves their fair portion of the blame. However, girls who often complain that guys tend to not stick around after a few months. The reason for this is they're trying to date up considerably and date men who are taller, better looking, more successful than their league. The very least that should be said is, girls don't deserve much sympathy for getting pumped and dumped. Not in this day and age. I don't believe in this league sh*t. You're either attracted to someone or you're not.
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 rest assured it doesn't work. So then how the **** is a woman to blame for not spotting a player, how the hell is a woman supposed to "take responsibility" when y'all admit that players apparently can't be spotted and avoided?
ThaWholigan Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 So then how the **** is a woman to blame for not spotting a player, how the hell is a woman supposed to "take responsibility" when y'all admit that players apparently can't be spotted and avoided? Players aren't stupid, they go for women who are attracted to them, that's why it seems like they never get rejected. They know how to keep attraction without f*cking up. Sometimes Players are deceptive, but the ones I have known are very honest with women, and attraction overrides logic for quite a lot of women. As for PUA, a lot of PUA is straight up obvious. The PUA that you are referring to is old school Mystery/Style stuff as well as Roosh/Roissy game that doesn't work anymore.
River Rain Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 So then how the **** is a woman to blame for not spotting a player, how the hell is a woman supposed to "take responsibility" when y'all admit that players apparently can't be spotted and avoided? Manipulative women do the same thing to men. Dating in general is a risk. But the alternative is to stay home and be lonely. Even if someone isn't a player, they can still misrepresent themselves to a certain extent and trick a person, and that goes for both men and women. No one is to blame, it's just the way things go. 2
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Manipulative women do the same thing to men. Dating in general is a risk. But the alternative is to stay home and be lonely. Even if someone isn't a player, they can still misrepresent themselves to a certain extent and trick a person, and that goes for both men and women. No one is to blame, it's just the way things go. Perhaps, but the vitriol directed at women who have been manipulated is disgusting. Like, if you got tricked by a player in your youth, you deserve it for being attracted to him instead of a "nice guy," and you don't ever get to have a partner because it's your punishment for riding the "cock carousel." Show me a place where male victims of manipulation are berated as hard as female ones, and maybe then we'll agree. 2
verhrzn Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 I seriously doubt that unless you live in the middle of no where. Even I had 2 unsolicited messages in a week on my genuine profile and I'm a midget(5 9) with an average face. I've made profiles of fairly unattractive women and they had 3-4 messages on the first day they were active. The thing is you have to understand how each dating site operates. Profiles on pof for instance typically on receive messages while they're online and the bulk of it on the first week they are active. There are ways to keep your profile online(though I never used these) if you want to increase how many messages you receive. Nope, I live in the middle of a big city. I am on Match, OKCupid, and I tried eHarmony briefly. You may have made the women "unattractive," but I don't buy it. Show us the profile and make the password public, and then maybe we'll buy it. I've already shown my profile to some posters, and I'll happily send snapshots of my empty mailbox.
River Rain Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Perhaps, but the vitriol directed at women who have been manipulated is disgusting. Like, if you got tricked by a player in your youth, you deserve it for being attracted to him instead of a "nice guy," and you don't ever get to have a partner because it's your punishment for riding the "cock carousel." Show me a place where male victims of manipulation are berated as hard as female ones, and maybe then we'll agree. I've been played and I've never been berated as you state, nor have I ever seen any kind of talk from intelligent people that anyone "deserves" to be tricked. It's okay if we don't agree, we all have the right to our opinions based on our own experiences, but you seem to be taken this very personally when it's really a discussion about how men feel screwed when it comes to the OLD pool.
Author SJC2008 Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 Maybe they're ignoring you because your profile sucks. Or you're a low percent match. Or because there's some huge red flag in your questions. Maybe the "hotter" guys just have profiles that are lacking in these. And again, why is the responsibility on women to learn, instead of hot guys to stop manipulating and using women? No my profile doesn't suck. I've even had a female friend look it over and she said it was pretty good. The bottom line with OLD is that there are two constants: One that many men fail at it and many give up before even getting a date. And two, women get played pumped and dumped. So why is this? Where is the "correlation" ?? Well when you add everythnig up it's that their egos get blown up like the met life blimp and think they're hot stuff from all the messages they get. They go out with men out of their league, get pumped and dumped. They don't learn though, they sit on the couch eating bon bons crying wondering why they can't reign this guy in. Meanwhile the men who won't do this to her are cancelling their accounts. So pertaing to the OP I think men will be screwed as OLD becomes less taboo and more women do it.
River Rain Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 First day it was active it had 6 messages. Location = Philadelphia http://www.picvalley.net/u/1618/8313479648831452731343632554m8jSQaetmh0flkTfmtJm.JPG http://www.picvalley.net/u/1666/57697791719371458601352237120GOWhY6fnKnXiDgUq34u5.JPG Good example. Poor girl though.
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