Author ThaWholigan Posted November 5, 2012 Author Posted November 5, 2012 Then it's her fault for not being attracted to decent men. In her previous post she said If "5 fat girls messaged you, and you didn't want to date them, are you "turning your nose up" at options?" Fat girls is the universal word for undesirable women. And by saying what she did, it was like she said, "you have 5 girls that nobody else wants messaging you." And that was meant to insinuate that women only have guys nobody else wants, pursuing them. That just isn't the case because there are lots of good guys out there who are trying to pursue women.. It's "her fault" for not being attracted? Why is it her fault? That's like saying it's my fault that I'm attracted to hot, curvy girls with thick legs. 1
dasein Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Only SOME women have those advantages. OKCupid proved this by explaining that 2/3rds of the men message 1/3 of the women. Which means 2/3rd of the women were only getting some messages (if any), while the top 1/3 were getting tons. So yes, SOME women have tons of options. But not ALL women. When I was OLD, I spent three years and lots of self-improvement getting good at it. In the end, I could message a handful of the best profiles and get dates from most of them. Even at my peak, I would rarely, if ever get even -one single- inbound email from -one single- woman who was even remotely close to me, as good on paper or pics as me. So the above, even if accurate, looks alot like "let them eat cake." I'm sure there are some tiny percentage of women who get the same amount of inbound emails as 95% of men get. But we are talking in generalizations in this thread, and generally, women have it easier in dating, getting attraction, getting sex, when they want it. And to restate, if they don't like the options that fall in their lap, they are certainly free to do what almost all men are forced to do to succeed, become more proactive in creating options for themselves.
somedude81 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Only SOME women have those advantages. OKCupid proved this by explaining that 2/3rds of the men message 1/3 of the women. Which means 2/3rd of the women were only getting some messages (if any), while the top 1/3 were getting tons. So yes, SOME women have tons of options. But not ALL women. Your Looks and Your Inbox « OkTrends As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. Just to illustrate that women are operating on a very different scale, here are just a few of the many, many guys we here in the office think are totally decent-looking, but that women have rated, in their occult way, as significantly less attractive than so-called “medium”: Females of OkCupid, we site founders say to you: ouch! Paradoxically, it seems it’s women, not men, who have unrealistic standards for the “average” member of the opposite sex. ----------------------------- In layman's terms, the average women thinks 80% of men are ugly. 80 fu*king percent?! Well sh*t dang, that's why V thinks that women only have undesirable men chasing them. 1
somedude81 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Who says that they're decent??? Who says they aren't?
dasein Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 In layman's terms, the average women thinks 80% of men are ugly. 80 fu*king percent?! Yep, this is another way that subjective "to me" arguments about dating success fold up like a cheap lawn chair. And it's not just looks, but a whole host of criteria women apply to men before considering them worthy of a single date. They have the -luxury- of being picky because dating is generally easier for women. Anyway, have had my say here on the "easier" question, and hope there will be focus on some of the other things wholigan said in his OP. 1
Sun Devil Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I guess this data proves that women in general are irrational, more shallow, and out of touch with reality. To the men out there, are you just going to allow these women to reject you? We need to not allow this kind of behavior. The dating world is obviously messed up and someone needs to fix it before love disappears from society.
Author ThaWholigan Posted November 5, 2012 Author Posted November 5, 2012 Who says they aren't? Who says she is obliged to be attracted to them just because they're "decent". I consider myself to be a decent man, but women aren't obliged to date me.
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Then it's her fault for not being attracted to decent men. In her previous post she said If "5 fat girls messaged you, and you didn't want to date them, are you "turning your nose up" at options?" Fat girls is the universal word for undesirable women. And by saying what she did, it was like she said, "you have 5 girls that nobody else wants messaging you." And that was meant to insinuate that women only have guys nobody else wants, pursuing them. That just isn't the case because there are lots of good guys out there who are trying to pursue women. Yes, pursuing SOME women. Not ALL women have "decent guys" pursuing them. Like you said, "fat woman" means no one is pursuing her. Which means she doesn't have any "decent guy" options, despite being a woman. So you and your friends have never decent good guys express an interest? I don't have any one express interest, period. And several of my friends only have guys that want to cum-and-dump them; no other guys say a word to them. Sitting in a corner having a conversation with a woman in your head and never actually asking her out on a date does not count as "showing an interest," by the way.
somedude81 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Who says she is obliged to be attracted to them just because they're "decent". I consider myself to be a decent man, but women aren't obliged to date me. Carefully read my previous post. dasein understood what my point was. Something is very wrong if the average woman is only attracted to the top 20% of men. If such a woman is single and having troubles dating because she only wants the top 20%, that's her own damn fault.
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. Just to illustrate that women are operating on a very different scale, here are just a few of the many, many guys we here in the office think are totally decent-looking, but that women have rated, in their occult way, as significantly less attractive than so-called “medium”: Females of OkCupid, we site founders say to you: ouch! Paradoxically, it seems it’s women, not men, who have unrealistic standards for the “average” member of the opposite sex. ----------------------------- In layman's terms, the average women thinks 80% of men are ugly. 80 fu*king percent?! Well sh*t dang, that's why V thinks that women only have undesirable men chasing them. AND YET WOMEN ARE STILL MESSAGING MEN. Christ almighty, did you even read the whole article? Women say 80% of men are unattractive to them, demonstrating that women don't all like the same thing (until men's preference for female looks, which closely aligned with each other.) And YET, women still messaged men.... those very same men they said were unattractive! Meaning men's looks barely matter. God, are you so desperate to avoid responsibility you ignore and conflate clear-cut data? 1
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Carefully read my previous post. dasein understood what my point was. Something is very wrong if the average woman is only attracted to the top 20% of men. If such a woman is single and having troubles dating because she only wants the top 20%, that's her own damn fault. They AREN'T attracted to only 20% of men. That's men you're thinking of, according to the chart. What is MEANS is that women have very different tastes from each other. A guy may have 8 out of 10 women who think he's ugly, but those other 2 think he's gorgeous. And the very next guy will have a completely different 8 women thinking he's ugly, and 2 completely different women who find him attractive. You went to college, right? Get your head out of your ass and read. 2
Author ThaWholigan Posted November 5, 2012 Author Posted November 5, 2012 Carefully read my previous post. dasein understood what my point was. Something is very wrong if the average woman is only attracted to the top 20% of men. If such a woman is single and having troubles dating because she only wants the top 20%, that's her own damn fault. My theory is that each woman has her own personal top 20%. Just like I have my own. The top 20% is always used as some rule that only the top 20% get any girls whatsoever, and I still think it's BS. But I can believe that each woman finds about 20% of men attractive on average.
Anela Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Who says they aren't? When it comes to certain guys I've said "no" to? ME! that's who. Who says that fat girls aren't decent or worthy of dating? YOU. They could be perfectly nice, but you don't like them because of their weight. I'm a decent person, and if that's all it took to get a great relationship, then I would have been fine years ago. A lot of people would - they would have been off the market, and that's that. There's a lot more to compatibility than being decent. 1
somedude81 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 AND YET WOMEN ARE STILL MESSAGING MEN. Christ almighty, did you even read the whole article? Women say 80% of men are unattractive to them, demonstrating that women don't all like the same thing (until men's preference for female looks, which closely aligned with each other.) BS! Women preference for male looks is also very closely aligned. If a girl thinks a guy is ugly, odds are most other women will think the same thing. Read the section about the pictures again.
Anela Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I guess this data proves that women in general are irrational, more shallow, and out of touch with reality. To the men out there, are you just going to allow these women to reject you? We need to not allow this kind of behavior. The dating world is obviously messed up and someone needs to fix it before love disappears from society. :lmao: Right, that's it. We're out of touch with reality. I love it.
somedude81 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 When it comes to certain guys I've said "no" to? ME! that's who. Who says that fat girls aren't decent or worthy of dating? YOU. They could be perfectly nice, but you don't like them because of their weight. I'm a decent person, and if that's all it took to get a great relationship, then I would have been fine years ago. A lot of people would - they would have been off the market, and that's that. There's a lot more to compatibility than being decent. Despite what the demographics say, fat women are considered to be below average. Have you only had the equivalent of below average men trying to date you?
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 BS! Women preference for male looks is also very closely aligned. If a girl thinks a guy is ugly, odds are most other women will think the same thing. Read the section about the pictures again. Uh, no, you should read it again. The girls' responses to the male pictures were wildly different. Furthermore, "women" rated 80% of men ugly and yet continued to message the whole lot of 'em. So, either women are only into 20% of men's looks but pursue ugly guys, or women like different looks (and so the numbers get conflated to make 80% seem 'ugly' because no two girls like the same thing) and girls just message who they like. Which scenario seems more logically/likely to you?
iris219 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Despite what the demographics say, fat women are considered to be below average. According to whom? You can say you aren't attracted to overweight women, but it's not fair to say all overweight women are below average based solely on their weight. Women have other attributes, you know. That's like saying all short guys are by default below average, which wouldn't be a fair statement. 1
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Despite what the demographics say, fat women are considered to be below average. You went to college, right? So you know that this statement is illogical. Absurdly illogical. Stupidly illogical. "Despite demographics saying fat women are the average, fat women totally aren't the average." Please, Professor, continue to astound us with your wisdom.
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Acquaintances aren't going to open up and spill their dirty dating secrets like friends will. Women especially have it pounded into their heads to NEVER appear desperate. My girlfriends yelled at me when I admitted to a first date that I hadn't been on a date in several months. So right out of the gate, you do not have adequate comparison data. Yeah you knew more single men, probably because you knew more men. Trying to use yourself as a measuring stick of the world is a bad idea unless you are VERY clear-eyed about your biases. Oh I'm very clear eyed about my biases. And strangely, like the Eunuch in Game of Thrones, women tend to be very open with stuff around me. Even women that have no intention on knowing me very personally. Like I said, take what I say with a grain of salt. And by the way, I don't think the kind of people we're talking about (men or women) are very common at all. I think there's more men, but only marginally. I also don't think anyone is a "victim". If you're struggling, you only have yourself to blame. It could be genetics, in which case I feel bad, but doesn't make it anyone else's fault. You get what you deserve in this world...
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Oh I'm very clear eyed about my biases. And strangely, like the Eunuch in Game of Thrones, women tend to be very open with stuff around me. Even women that have no intention on knowing me very personally. Varys?? What the **** are you talking about? How the hell are women more 'open' to him??
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Varys?? What the **** are you talking about? How the hell are women more 'open' to him?? People talk. And I listen (men and women by the way). Often while rolling my eyes (metaphorically) at the stupid things people say.
verhrzn Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 People talk. And I listen (men and women by the way). Often while rolling my eyes (metaphorically) at the stupid things people say. Um. Okay. Except he didn't just pick things up by listening, he picked things up by horse-trading and manipulation. And it's still a moot point... if you weren't around a lot of women in college, then you probably didn't hear a lot of things. Anecdotes are not data.
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Um. Okay. Except he didn't just pick things up by listening, he picked things up by horse-trading and manipulation. And it's still a moot point... if you weren't around a lot of women in college, then you probably didn't hear a lot of things. Anecdotes are not data. Obviously. Which is why you should take what I say with a grain of salt. My experiences are equally as valid as yours are. Anecdotes aren't data, but they contain truth in them. The world isn't a sheet of facts, it's a mosaic.
Hawakai Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Uh, no, you should read it again. The girls' responses to the male pictures were wildly different. Furthermore, "women" rated 80% of men ugly and yet continued to message the whole lot of 'em. So, either women are only into 20% of men's looks but pursue ugly guys, or women like different looks (and so the numbers get conflated to make 80% seem 'ugly' because no two girls like the same thing) and girls just message who they like. Which scenario seems more logically/likely to you? The more logical scenario to me seems to be the one where one will accept the invitations, have the dude pay for the date, and sleep with the guys they consider to be attractive(the 20% left). Varys?? What the **** are you talking about? How the hell are women more 'open' to him?? The women know the Enuch is not going to jump their bones and the men don't regard the enuch as a man.
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