Things I've learned about dating in the last few months

[SmileFace]

Depends on what women perceive as doing badly with dating. Most women can get sex without having to put much effort - if any at all - into it, and they can have that sex with average to very good-looking men. Men on the other hand, even if they are good-looking, many have a hard time finding a girl to have sex with.

Wasn't the topic on getting a relationship not sex?

[xdahliax]

Depends on what women perceive as doing badly with dating. Most women can get sex without having to put much effort - if any at all - into it, and they can have that sex with average to very good-looking men. Men on the other hand, even if they are good-looking, many have a hard time finding a girl to have sex with.

 

Casual sex is not dating, as evidenced by the fact that some people here would not be able to recognize people with whom they had sex. Dating, to me, involves going out with the other person and getting to know them over time. Women are often approached by men wanting sex, but I would hardly count that as dating success.

[mesmerized]

Depends on what women perceive as doing badly with dating. Most women can get sex without having to put much effort - if any at all - into it, and they can have that sex with average to very good-looking men. Men on the other hand, even if they are good-looking, many have a hard time finding a girl to have sex with.

 

Except just sex and one night stands is not what women are after. I bet you that a man who could only get sex but nothing more from women would consider himself unsuccessful in dating. In fact I knew a couple of guys like this.

 

Anyone with some experience in dating knows that its easier for women to get sex alone and its easier for men to get relationships ( good for men, they can get sex AND emotional connection this way Except a lot of men just seek the sex part). The whole supply and demand thing.

[ThaWholigan]

Casual sex is not that hard to get actually, as I've experienced. You just have to know who to move to, and how to do it.

[SmileFace]

I actually believe some guys have a harder time finding casual sex compared to some women. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

[AD1980]

. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

 

I dont know if i beleive that.. even the hard up women on here who claim theyre hideous readily admit to numeorous relatinships where theres a ton of men in here in their 20's and 30' s whove never even been on a date

[Mrlonelyone]

I actually believe some guys have a harder time finding casual sex compared to some women. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

 

Not true. Female identified feminine women do at times go out looking to just get laid and you don't have to be brad pitt or a he man to be the one they choose.

 

I have done this and I am not any of those things. (I'm starting to wonder if I am perhaps more physically attractive than I think I am given how hard it is for others. Many male models are about as androgynous as I am. Genderless: World's Most Popular Male Model Walks Runways in Heels, Dresses - ABC News Maybe being tall is that big of a deal?)

[SmileFace]

I dont know if i beleive that.. even the hard up women on here who claim theyre hideous readily admit to numeorous relatinships where theres a ton of men in here in their 20's and 30' s whove never even been on a date

Nope, I have two guys I say are my boyfriend. One that lasted a month and a next one that we have dated on and off for about 3 years - however I have never had a real relationship and I am not hideous. Just very unlucky I guess,lol. So in my circumstance and experiance it is pretty much true. Plus some of these guys who have never been on a date there is much reason why they haven't been - people just like to hold their tongues.

[somedude81]

I actually believe some guys have a harder time finding casual sex compared to some women. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

Ah the common counter-argument that is always being said around her.

 

OK, please tell me how it's easier for men to get into a relationship than it is for a woman.

 

Before you start, tell me of any women you know in your life, heard of from friends, or read about online, that have never had a relationship and are at least 30 years old.

[SmileFace]

Not true. Female identified feminine women do at times go out looking to just get laid and you don't have to be brad pitt or a he man to be the one they choose.

 

I have done this and I am not any of those things. (I'm starting to wonder if I am perhaps more physically attractive than I think I am given how hard it is for others. Many male models are about as androgynous as I am. Genderless: World's Most Popular Male Model Walks Runways in Heels, Dresses - ABC News Maybe being tall is that big of a deal?)

You guys are seriously reading too much into this. I said harder - I never said impossible.

 

Since most females are looking for a relationship - any desirable guy will have a easy time finding a relationship. Since most guys are looking for casual sex - most females can find a guy for that. Key word desirable guy and most.

 

Plus I never said looking for casual sex was bad as a female but I know I have a way better chance getting casual sex than most guys.

[SmileFace]

Ah the common counter-argument that is always being said around her.

 

OK, please tell me how it's easier for men to get into a relationship than it is for a woman.

 

Before you start, tell me of any women you know in your life, heard of from friends, or read about online, that have never had a relationship and are at least 30 years old.

I already answered that questions. Plus I said most. It isn't my fault if you don't fall in the bracket of most.

[ThaWholigan]

I actually believe some guys have a harder time finding casual sex compared to some women. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

Guys have a harder time because they're ignorant IMO. They do too much blaming of external factors instead of actually going and doing something about it. I found it extremely difficult to find dates and I bitched for about 2 weeks before I decided that lamenting about it wasn't going to solve my problems, so I did something about it. Before I knew it, I got a casual encounter that fell right into my lap, almost by accident. It could have been any guy, but it was me.

 

1) I put myself in a position to be talked to by girls.

 

2) I learned how to talk to them, by practice and theory.

 

3) I learned how to see if they were interested.

 

4) I stopped taking rejection personally.

 

5) I started to know how to read women.

 

That's how I did it. Too much "it's too hard" going on, it annoys me because I used to think the same until I figured out it was BS.

[SmileFace]

Guys have a harder time because they're ignorant IMO. They do too much blaming of external factors instead of actually going and doing something about it. I found it extremely difficult to find dates and I bitched for about 2 weeks before I decided that lamenting about it wasn't going to solve my problems, so I did something about it. Before I knew it, I got a casual encounter that fell right into my lap, almost by accident. It could have been any guy, but it was me.

 

1) I put myself in a position to be talked to by girls.

 

2) I learned how to talk to them, by practice and theory.

 

3) I learned how to see if they were interested.

 

4) I stopped taking rejection personally.

 

5) I started to know how to read women.

 

That's how I did it. Too much "it's too hard" going on, it annoys me because I used to think the same until I figured out it was BS.

Yes, they rather just bitch at a screen than get to it. Plus I said most guys have a harder time - I never said they couldn't. However I am pretty sure that is pretty much stated.

[somedude81]

I actually believe some guys have a harder time finding casual sex compared to some women. Where women have a harder time finding a relationship to guys.

I already answered that questions. Plus I said most. It isn't my fault if you don't fall in the bracket of most.

I don't see the word most in your previous post.

You guys are seriously reading too much into this. I said harder - I never said impossible.

 

Since most females are looking for a relationship - any desirable guy will have a easy time finding a relationship. Since most guys are looking for casual sex - most females can find a guy for that. Key word desirable guy and most.

 

Plus I never said looking for casual sex was bad as a female but I know I have a way better chance getting casual sex than most guys.

As for 'answering' the question. You didn't.

 

For one, what makes a guy desirable? What percentage of men are desirable? Is it greater than, less than, or equal to the percentage of women that are called desirable?

 

You have absolutely no way to back up the thought that most guys want casual sex. I could just as easily say most girls want casual sex and that statement would be no less valid than your own.

 

The only part of your post that I agree with you on is that it's easier for a girl to get casual sex.

 

I'm still waiting to hear how it's easier for guys to get a relationship.

[ThaWholigan]

Yes, they rather just bitch at a screen than get to it. Plus I said most guys have a harder time - I never said they couldn't. However I am pretty sure that is pretty much stated.

It is harder, because a lot of women don't want casual, but if they are attracted enough, they will go for it. Sure, if you aren't stereotypically conventionally attractive it may be difficult, but it's not terribly hard. Just know who to talk to. Learn how to read people.

 

It's ignorance IMO because the information is out there, it's written in people as well as books. For instance, I can tell the difference between a promiscuous girl and one who isn't. I can tell between who is interested and who isn't. Who is shifty/coy and who is straight to the point. It's really not that hard if you want to learn and get better at dealing with women.

[SmileFace]

I don't see the word most in your previous post.

 

As for 'answering' the question. You didn't.

 

For one, what makes a guy desirable? What percentage of men are desirable? Is it greater than, less than, or equal to the percentage of women that are called desirable?

 

You have absolutely no way to back up the thought that most guys want casual sex. I could just as easily say most girls want casual sex and that statement would be no less valid than your own.

 

The only part of your post that I agree with you on is that it's easier for a girl to get casual sex.

 

I'm still waiting to hear how it's easier for guys to get a relationship.

SD in your life time - do you think that you have a better chance of ****ing a bunch of girls or ending up in a relationship?

 

Answer that question - while I type out the response to your question.

[somedude81]

Guys have a harder time because they're ignorant IMO. They do too much blaming of external factors instead of actually going and doing something about it. I found it extremely difficult to find dates and I bitched for about 2 weeks before I decided that lamenting about it wasn't going to solve my problems, so I did something about it. Before I knew it, I got a casual encounter that fell right into my lap, almost by accident. It could have been any guy, but it was me.

And it's not the first time that you had an opportunity like that right? This time you just didn't screw it up. Hell I still remember that thread you made after you first met that girl and were thinking about not seeing her again. I remember a certain poster telling you that you should contact her and try to meet up again....

1) I put myself in a position to be talked to by girls.

 

2) I learned how to talk to them, by practice and theory.

 

3) I learned how to see if they were interested.

 

4) I stopped taking rejection personally.

 

5) I started to know how to read women.

 

That's how I did it. Too much "it's too hard" going on, it annoys me because I used to think the same until I figured out it was BS.

Now we're getting back to the spirit of your OP and I think it's more important the standards argument I'm engaged in now

 

2, 3 and 5 are things I desperately need to learn, but somehow I haven't been able to. It sucks because I'm still struggling at 31 and I've read tons of PUA and related social material, seen lots of PUA videos, attended lair meetings, taken a seminar, and none of it has clicked with me.

 

I think the major thing holding me back is my depression as it just absolutely crippled my motivation, dedication and ability to focus.

 

Also I take rejection very personally. To me every rejection just reinforces my belief that I'm a loser and that nobody would ever like me. It's like I'm not being rejected by one girl, I'm being rejected by all women and that I'm a failure.

 

A phrase that has crept into my thoughts that I find myself saying to myself is, "Nobody likes me. No one ever has and no one ever will.

 

I know that's the depression talking. But the first two points are still true.

[mesmerized]

It is harder, because a lot of women don't want casual, but if they are attracted enough, they will go for it. Sure, if you aren't stereotypically conventionally attractive it may be difficult, but it's not terribly hard. Just know who to talk to. Learn how to read people.

 

It's ignorance IMO because the information is out there, it's written in people as well as books. For instance, I can tell the difference between a promiscuous girl and one who isn't. I can tell between who is interested and who isn't. Who is shifty/coy and who is straight to the point. It's really not that hard if you want to learn and get better at dealing with women.

 

I love how emotionally intelligent you are. Its one of those traits in men that women admire and respect the most, sometimes its just easier when they aren't and can't figure you out though.

[somedude81]

SD in your life time - do you think that you have a better chance of ****ing a bunch of girls or ending up in a relationship?

 

Answer that question - while I type out the response to your question.

What counts as a bunch of girls?

 

In all actuality, it's easier for me to find casual sex than to get a GF. Simply because I've been with over five women and haven't had anything remotely close to a relationship. And no I've never had a ONS or picked up somebody in a bar or anything like that.

 

That's because I've been able to completely lower my standards for sex. If a guy doesn't care at all about who he has sex with, there are ways to get laid that aren't that difficult.

 

I'm not willing to do that for a relationship. I need to be attracted to and actually like somebody before I want to date them. So far none of the 20+ girls I have ever liked, have wanted to date me

[Hawakai]

Guys have a harder time because they're ignorant IMO. They do too much blaming of external factors instead of actually going and doing something about it. I found it extremely difficult to find dates and I bitched for about 2 weeks before I decided that lamenting about it wasn't going to solve my problems, so I did something about it. Before I knew it, I got a casual encounter that fell right into my lap, almost by accident. It could have been any guy, but it was me.

 

1) I put myself in a position to be talked to by girls.

 

2) I learned how to talk to them, by practice and theory.

 

3) I learned how to see if they were interested.

 

4) I stopped taking rejection personally.

 

5) I started to know how to read women.

 

That's how I did it. Too much "it's too hard" going on, it annoys me because I used to think the same until I figured out it was BS.

 

 

1) This college I go to has something like 5 thousand students. 4000 are girls. I never see couples when I walk inside my campus. I never see guys asking girls out. I'm one of the very few guys in my classes, and women are always staring at me, but there are also guys who are more attractive than me and those guys get no play at all.

 

I have an advantage over these guys because I'm 30 but I look like 18 even when I am at my worst(month-old beard, oily hair etc) and I have the life experience and the cash most guys in their late teens and early 20's do not have. I am not interested in dating anymore, and for casual sex I know I can't have it because I'm not Brad Pitt.

 

Still, despite there being so few guys in this college, most of the girls either arrived from high school with a boyfriend, aren't interested in the guys who go to college with them, or they're too busy for something serious so they resort to having FWB's(with hot guys).

 

A guy I developed a friendship with is 6'2'', good-looking, natural bulky, and he's been rejected by very plain looking or below average girls . Somehow guys who aren't good-looking or tall are going to fare much better because of their high levels of confidence .

 

 

2) Conversation doesn't amount to much. I've seen guys who were pretty social get rejected because of the tiniest of things. Like the guy was good-looking and she was average but he was slightly balding: next!

 

3) Impossible. Women are for the most part extremely social and friendlly. The so-called signals of interest don't have much saying in how attracted(if there is any attraction at all) the woman is to you because most women spend the majority of their time smiling and being touchy-feely with guys they have no interest in.

 

Last week I was charging my ipod on the computer right outside a classroom. A whole bunch of girls and guys were there. That class had just been built. Meaning, that they had known each other only 2 days and they were already best buddies.

 

Another friend of mine had a girl show a lot of signals of interest, he approached her, asked her on a date, and she said no. Turns out she has a boyfriend. But the appeal of the ego booster by rejecting a guy is just too strong for way too many women .

 

4) That's awesome of you. But you end up not caring at all after a few dozens of rejections. You eventually figure that you're going to get rejected again, why bother. And what's the fun when she finally says ''yes''? Oh, a woman accepted my invitation. Now to entertain her long enough during our date, and to spend my money on her - maybe there's a chance I'll get laid .

 

5) You can't read women. Body language is mostly bogus science. Most of the guys I see on a daily basis have very ''Alpha male'' body language and they can't get laid to save their lives. I've seen women being very guarded and very defensive and closed off from the guy who was hitting on them and an hour later they'd be blowing the guy off in the nearest bathroom.

 

I've seen women who had very open body language, and their actions seemed to match their words but the guys still ended up being rejected.

 

 

The advice I have to give to young men is to:

 

A) Don't concern yourself with relationships.

 

B) Work out hard.

 

C) Don't pay attention to PUA nonsense.

 

D)Save as much money as you can.

Edited November 4, 2012 by Hawakai

[ThaWholigan]

And it's not the first time that you had an opportunity like that right? This time you just didn't screw it up. Hell I still remember that thread you made after you first met that girl and were thinking about not seeing her again. I remember a certain poster telling you that you should contact her and try to meet up again....

 

Exactly, I didn't screw up. Guys screw up all the time. I reckon that guys on average who go outside encounter at least a dozen girls a year who were attracted to them and they screwed it up somehow. It's not their fault, but they do screw up.

 

I actually speculate that girls could indeed be attracted to you right now, but you don't have any clue whatsoever and end up screwing it up. Again, not your fault IMO, not at all. You just don't know.

 

Because of everything I had learned, read, and been bold about and learned on the fly aswell, I was able to talk that girl into bed, which turned out to be quite easy in the end - very easy in fact. I didn't even try in the end. And that's what happens when girls like you. You don't have to try. Sometimes "trying" will spoil it .

 

Now we're getting back to the spirit of your OP and I think it's more important the standards argument I'm engaged in now

 

2, 3 and 5 are things I desperately need to learn, but somehow I haven't been able to. It sucks because I'm still struggling at 31 and I've read tons of PUA and related social material, seen lots of PUA videos, attended lair meetings, taken a seminar, and none of it has clicked with me.

 

I think the major thing holding me back is my depression as it just absolutely crippled my motivation, dedication and ability to focus.

 

It's odd that you didn't take in ANY information at all and I think that the depression has contributed. You don't seem to have taken in any information aimed at dealing with that "crippling" depression however, mostly things to do with getting a GF to alleviate that depression (please correct me if I'm wrong). The depression has to get handled before you entertain the idea of a GF to be honest, because the depression will stop you from learning and taking in anything that will remotely help you.

 

Things to do with making your life happier without a GF would be highly beneficial.

 

Also I take rejection very personally. To me every rejection just reinforces my belief that I'm a loser and that nobody would ever like me. It's like I'm not being rejected by one girl, I'm being rejected by all women and that I'm a failure.

 

A phrase that has crept into my thoughts that I find myself saying to myself is, "Nobody likes me. No one ever has and no one ever will.

 

I know that's the depression talking. But the first two points are still true.

 

In one of the programs I had by Carlos Xuma (Ultimate Inner Game), he talked about the story we tell ourselves being important, and the words that reverberate in our heads. It's a really good program for you to listen to, I would recommend that you download it.

 

I love how emotionally intelligent you are. Its one of those traits in men that women admire and respect the most, sometimes its just easier when they aren't and can't figure you out though.

 

I know what you mean by the bold. I've noticed that girls become more self-conscious when around a man who is more emotionally intuitive on a very masculine level. It's as much a learning curve for women as it is for men, I find.

[ThaWholigan]

1) This college I go to has something like 5 thousand students. 4000 are girls. I never see couples when I walk inside my campus. I never see guys asking girls out. I'm one of the very few guys in my classes, and women are always staring at me, but there are also guys who are more attractive than me and those guys get no play at all.

 

I have an advantage over these guys because I'm 30 but I look like 18 even when I am at my worst(month-old beard, oily hair etc) and I have the life experience and the cash most guys in their late teens and early 20's do not have. I am not interested in dating anymore, and for casual sex I know I can't have it because I'm not Brad Pitt.

 

Still, despite there being so few guys in this college, most of the girls either arrived from high school with a boyfriend, aren't interested in the guys who go to college with them, or they're too busy for something serious so they resort to having FWB's(with hot guys).

 

A guy I developed a friendship with is 6'2'', good-looking, natural bulky, and he's been rejected by very plain looking or below average girls . Somehow guys who aren't good-looking or tall are going to fare much better because of their high levels of confidence .

 

A lot of guys in college are passive, I know because I used to be. Which is why we didn't get play. You make a good point about cash and life experience, but guys act like cash & experience makes women sexually attracted to you, and in my experience, it merely makes you a decent enough relationship candidate but not so much sexually attractive.

 

On the other hand, there will be women who are naturally sexually attracted to you of varying levels of attractiveness, as I have found myself.

 

As for the guy who was getting rejected by plain/below average girls, he either blew it with whatever he was saying, or those girls simply weren't attracted to him regardless of what he looked like. It happens. I've been called good looking before and it's happened to me before.

 

2) Conversation doesn't amount to much. I've seen guys who were pretty social get rejected because of the tiniest of things. Like the guy was good-looking and she was average but he was slightly balding: next!

I've also seen ugly ass guys get in there with good looking girls. It's not as black and white as that. There are many variations I've seen in my short life. Conversation doesn't amount to much if she isn't attracted to you. The point with conversation within the context of a view to dating is to solidify that attraction and make sure you don't f*ck it up.

 

3) Impossible. Women are for the most part extremely social and friendlly. The so-called signals of interest don't have much saying in how attracted(if there is any attraction at all) the woman is to you because most women spend the majority of their time smiling and being touchy-feely with guys they have no interest in.

 

Last week I was charging my ipod on the computer right outside a classroom. A whole bunch of girls and guys were there. That class had just been built. Meaning, that they had known each other only 2 days and they were already best buddies.

 

Another friend of mine had a girl show a lot of signals of interest, he approached her, asked her on a date, and she said no. Turns out she has a boyfriend. But the appeal of the ego booster by rejecting a guy is just too strong for way too many women .

That doesn't convince me otherwise, they are a bunch of innocuous incidents. You can definitely find out if she's interested, and even if you can't, what is the harm in actually asking full stop if she is and getting on with it?

4) That's awesome of you. But you end up not caring at all after a few dozens of rejections. You eventually figure that you're going to get rejected again, why bother. And what's the fun when she finally says ''yes''? Oh, a woman accepted my invitation. Now to entertain her long enough during our date, and to spend my money on her - maybe there's a chance I'll get laid .

Well, duh . On the few dates I've been on, I've never thought about having to entertain her or spend money on her with the view to a chance to get laid. Sure I think about getting laid, but mostly I have fun because it might not even happen so I might aswell enjoy myself anyway. Besides, I like talking to girls, so I'm entertaining myself as well on the date.

 

5) You can't read women. Body language is mostly bogus science. Most of the guys I see on a daily basis have very ''Alpha male'' body language and they can't get laid to save their lives. I've seen women being very guarded and very defensive and closed off from the guy who was hitting on them and an hour later they'd be blowing the guy off in the nearest bathroom.

 

I've seen women who had very open body language, and their actions seemed to match their words but the guys still ended up being rejected.

It's not bogus in my experience. I've been right more often going off of body language. There is usually some things that are tell-tale signs, the most subtle of bodily expressions. As for "alpha male" body language, most guys do it wrong anyway.

 

Guarded and defensive women are usually just shy rather than the former, or playing hard to get. Sometimes it's a guessing game, but most times it's easy to clock. Well, for me nowadays it is. And if I, an autistic man who couldn't even read the most obvious of social cues as a teen, can learn this? Any man can.

 

 

The advice I have to give to young men is to:

 

A) Don't concern yourself with relationships.

 

B) Work out hard.

 

C) Don't pay attention to PUA nonsense.

 

D)Save as much money as you can.

 

A) Depends on the person, some guys can hack it. But I agree in the sense that guys should focus on their own lives rather than trying to get a GF at all costs.

 

B) Agree

 

c) Agree to a small extent, some of it is useful, as it has been for myself. However, as I have found in recent times, a lot of it is straight garbage.

 

D) A better way to put it would be to "become more financially intelligent".

Edited November 4, 2012 by ThaWholigan

[Hawakai]

A lot of guys in college are passive, I know because I used to be. Which is why we didn't get play. You make a good point about cash and life experience, but guys act like cash & experience makes women sexually attracted to you, and in my experience, it merely makes you a decent enough relationship candidate but not so much sexually attractive.

 

 

I know several guys who are passive but are still far more sexual than most of the guys who take a stance and approach women. Most guys in college aren't passive. They're simply aware that they're on the losing end, and most guys aren't up to approaching women all day to be rejected or be handed false phone numbers.

 

As I've said before, going out on a date does not secure sex or emotional connection. It just means that the woman accepted to have her share of the date paid for.

 

Most women approach the men they are attracted to. I know, who'd thought of that, it seems that its widely believed by men that women sit there looking pretty and waiting for the guy they are sending Lighthouse signals of interest() to approach, but I have seen too much of the opposite.

 

 

but guys act like cash & experience makes women sexually attracted to you, and in my experience, it merely makes you a decent enough relationship candidate but not so much sexually attractive.

 

With cash you can create and maintain a FWB while going about your life without having to worry if you are attractive enough for average and below average women to put out for you without you having to pay that massive dating cost known as ''commitment.''

 

On the other hand, there will be women who are naturally sexually attracted to you of varying levels of attractiveness, as I have found myself.

 

Not so much. Most women fall in the same category of taste. Tall, built, or with swagger. Height, too expensive of an operation and rather risky. Many guys can't work-out, many can't go beyond their genetic potential, and swagger is risky. I'm not interested in getting punched in the mouth by some dark triad boyfriend of hers.

 

I've also seen ugly ass guys get in there with good looking girls.

 

Money is a great equalizer. Maybe the guy's were drug dealers. Maybe the girls wanted to get back at their model-looking boyfriends and thought getting it on with an ugly ass guy was going to hurt their exes. I have never seen a below average guy with an above average girl. With the exception of money, most guys are going to go downhill to establish a relationship or a steady source of sex.

 

Many times I have seen obese, ugly girls with very tall and highly attractive men. But I have never seen an average guy considered hot by average and above average women.

 

Conversation doesn't amount to much if she isn't attracted to you. The point with conversation within the context of a view to dating is to solidify that attraction and make sure you don't f*ck it up.

 

Yes, and if the girl is attracted to you, nothing you say can disturb her sexual attraction for you. Now to get to the sexual attraction part is the tricky part for most men. Most women are leaps and bounds above most men in terms of physical attractiveness. How is the average looking guy going to get sex as easy as women have it?

 

That doesn't convince me otherwise, they are a bunch of innocuous incidents. You can definitely find out if she's interested, and even if you can't, what is the harm in actually asking full stop if she is and getting on with it?

 

Because this is the 21th century and I expect women to behave accordingly. When a man is rejected is social standing is lowered. Women assume he's of low quality because some other woman didn't want anything to do with him, and your chances to find a girlfriend/FWB decrease.

 

Well, duh . On the few dates I've been on, I've never thought about having to entertain her or spend money on her with the view to a chance to get laid. Sure I think about getting laid, but mostly I have fun because it might not even happen so I might aswell enjoy myself anyway. Besides, I like talking to girls, so I'm entertaining myself as well on the date.

 

You're lucky in that aspect. After spending 8 hours a day having to listen to endless numbers of women, everday, babbling away, I really can't be bothered to approach women and to pretend that I care about what they're saying. Besides, after hours of seeing women laugh and smile at ants walking on a table, or whatever, you lose that fascination for the feminine ''mystery.''

 

It's not bogus in my experience. I've been right more often going off of body language. There is usually some things that are tell-tale signs, the most subtle of bodily expressions. As for "alpha male" body language, most guys do it wrong anyway.

 

Nah. its fake. Many times I have observed social venues and thousands upon thousands of people, and most of that crap we read on body language doesn't apply in real life.

 

You know what my favorite body language is? Women preening their hair. Try having 140 girls in front of you preening their hair 24/7. It must mean they're highly attracted to the 60 year old professor who is balding and fat!

 

Signals of interest, at least the feminine ones, exist for a reason: to garnish male attention. Those signals don't mean anything at all. Waste of time.

 

Guarded and defensive women are usually just shy rather than the former, or playing hard to get. Sometimes it's a guessing game, but most times it's easy to clock. Well, for me nowadays it is. And if I, an autistic man who couldn't even read the most obvious of social cues as a teen, can learn this? Any man can.

 

I have a bunch of friends who've dedicated themselves to PUA. They have field reports and the works. Between them they have 10.000 reports. only 1000 reports ended up with sex. They've learned everything about the game, they had Neil Strauss and the other guys as their mentors. They studied hundreds of books on psychology and body language, and they tell me that nearly every signal of interest they had thrown at them turned out to be fake.

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TW would make a great Hitch!

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Hawaki sorry but you are blatantly lying here. "Many" times you have seen very tall highly attractive men with "obese" and ugly girls? And you have never seen a woman with a less attractive man? Sorry but just cause its a forum doesn't mean you can say stupid things and get away with it.