NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Ok. So I'm happily divorced for over 2 years. I have two kids that I share custody with my ex. I dated shortly after and after about a year things didn't work. More than likely it was a rebound. I met a really nice woman back at the end of July. She has been divorced for about 7 yrs, and has 4 kids and she has the kids all of the time. She also works about 10 hrs a day. We have been going out since begining of August, and we get along very well. I know that we are both very comfortable around each other, and our kids have gotton together several times in the last 3 months. I have met her friends and she has met mine, and all is well from that standpoint. We either text of talk on the phone every day. However, it seems like we have never had the opportunity to be intimate with each other. We have kissed, we hold hands, etc. But when we go out, she usually has to get back home to take care of the kids. So there is really no opportunity for us to be alone after going out. I realize that she's busy with work and with kids activities. But it just seems like after three months of being together, we should have been more intimate than just kissing. I know that I am not just a friend, but at the same time it feels like I'm in a limbo state. I like her a lot, and can see myself having a long term relationship with her. Just wondering if I should just be patient and wait, or bring it up in conversation. I don't want to lose her, but at the same time sex is a part of a relationship, and attm it is nonexistant. 1
SmileFace Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 See if you can plan a small weekend getaway - if she can get a way from the kids. I won't say you should bring it up bluntly but find a way to make it actually happen. Now if you take her on a vaca and it doesn't happen then you may want to bring it up and see where you both are. Since who knows if she just sees you as a friend and a nice guy. But since you are saying that you both have even been in the position to allow sex - then you need to make the "position" happen. 1
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 See if you can plan a small weekend getaway - if she can get a way from the kids. I won't say you should bring it up bluntly but find a way to make it actually happen. Now if you take her on a vaca and it doesn't happen then you may want to bring it up and see where you both are. Since who knows if she just sees you as a friend and a nice guy. But since you are saying that you both have even been in the position to allow sex - then you need to make the "position" happen. Funny you should say that because, I have thought about that. But her kids have activities every weekend, and quite a few in fact. The only practical time I see it happening is when all our kids are on Winter Break, but that's not until February. But, yes I agree the main problem has been to make position happen. Also, I thought that she may be just trying to take things slow, perhaps a lot slower than I would. So I am giving her space, and letting her set the pace if you will. Like I said, I see a lot of potential in her and I don't want to screw up what could end up being something really good.
SmileFace Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Funny you should say that because, I have thought about that. But her kids have activities every weekend, and quite a few in fact. The only practical time I see it happening is when all our kids are on Winter Break, but that's not until February. But, yes I agree the main problem has been to make position happen. Also, I thought that she may be just trying to take things slow, perhaps a lot slower than I would. So I am giving her space, and letting her set the pace if you will. Like I said, I see a lot of potential in her and I don't want to screw up what could end up being something really good. Why not have the relationship talk. It seems that you really like her but you don't want to wait around and she isn't on the same page.
carhill Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Time for some old-fashioned making out in the car. If she's interested sexually, she'll be right there with you. What I use as a rule of thumb are the vast examples of sexually forward behavior I've experienced with MW's over the decades. In that realm, if interested, it was obvious. No ambiguity. Sure, it was never going to go anywhere but they stuck it out there, just like a guy has an erection. If I don't get that vibe from a woman I'm dating/interested in, dry hole. So far, it's worked perfectly and/or been incredibly accurate if I choose to not follow the guideline. If I were in your situation, after three months, I would have escalated kissing a long time ago and made plans for a 'getaway', even if for one night, and provided service/funding for child care. If she was interested in a full and complete intimate relationship, she'd jump on that. If ambivalent, next. Like yourself, I'm divorced, and perhaps older. Life is short. I'd rather be alone than in a blue balls situation; BTDT way too many times. Good luck. 2
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 Time for some old-fashioned making out in the car. If she's interested sexually, she'll be right there with you. What I use as a rule of thumb are the vast examples of sexually forward behavior I've experienced with MW's over the decades. In that realm, if interested, it was obvious. No ambiguity. Sure, it was never going to go anywhere but they stuck it out there, just like a guy has an erection. If I don't get that vibe from a woman I'm dating/interested in, dry hole. So far, it's worked perfectly and/or been incredibly accurate if I choose to not follow the guideline. If I were in your situation, after three months, I would have escalated kissing a long time ago and made plans for a 'getaway', even if for one night, and provided service/funding for child care. If she was interested in a full and complete intimate relationship, she'd jump on that. If ambivalent, next. Like yourself, I'm divorced, and perhaps older. Life is short. I'd rather be alone than in a blue balls situation; BTDT way too many times. Good luck. The other issue is that she is currently in a custody battle with her ex, and I know she has that distraction going on. In fact, for the past month she flat out told me she's in a funk. So not sure she's in the mood. When we talk, especially lately, it's mostly about her kids and troubles she's having with them. Her son also has severe allergic reactions to the point where he needs to have injections on a regular basis. So needless to say, she's had a lot on her plate the last 1-2 months. And that's why I have given her the space. My hope is that once some of the custody issues get settled, and they should be within a couple of weeks, she'll be more receptive.
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 Time for some old-fashioned making out in the car. If she's interested sexually, she'll be right there with you. What I use as a rule of thumb are the vast examples of sexually forward behavior I've experienced with MW's over the decades. In that realm, if interested, it was obvious. No ambiguity. Sure, it was never going to go anywhere but they stuck it out there, just like a guy has an erection. If I don't get that vibe from a woman I'm dating/interested in, dry hole. So far, it's worked perfectly and/or been incredibly accurate if I choose to not follow the guideline. If I were in your situation, after three months, I would have escalated kissing a long time ago and made plans for a 'getaway', even if for one night, and provided service/funding for child care. If she was interested in a full and complete intimate relationship, she'd jump on that. If ambivalent, next. Like yourself, I'm divorced, and perhaps older. Life is short. I'd rather be alone than in a blue balls situation; BTDT way too many times. Good luck. BTW, I'm 40. She's the same. I know time is precious. And that's why I;m trying to gauge some advice here. I'm at the point where i need to either stick with this relationship, or just move on. But as you may know, it's not as easy when you're older. I will say that I do take good care of myself, work out, etc. And I know that I could find someone else. I just feel like her life has too many distractions for her to start into a relationship as I see it. Good news is we are going to go to a Halloween party this weekend. I'm going to "bust a move" for sure than.
carhill Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I doubt you want to hear this, but my advice is to date other women. Since you and she have no sexual contact and no apparent agreement of exclusivity, I personally see no barrier to finding a more currently compatible partner. Her 'custody' battles with four children could go on into your retirement years. There's always a 'battle'. What such past relationships, if you could call them that, have taught me is that I prefer the 'now' versus the 'what if' and 'in a couple weeks' and 'maybe in a month or two'. If the now works and feels healthy, go with that. If not, go with that. The future is unknown. If you enjoyed the company of other ladies while she's figuring her life out to make time for a relationship, what harm would occur? She's not inconvenienced in any way and no infidelity nor cheating has occurred. Win-win. Perhaps it would make your time with her even more enjoyable. Lastly, IMO, you'll never know what exactly is going on in her life or her mind until she's staring into your eyes and holding your hand as you're dying. It will be only then that you'll know for sure. Until then, do what works for you. If she's there, that's an answer; a synergy. If not, not. Good luck. 2
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 I doubt you want to hear this, but my advice is to date other women. Since you and she have no sexual contact and no apparent agreement of exclusivity, I personally see no barrier to finding a more currently compatible partner. Her 'custody' battles with four children could go on into your retirement years. There's always a 'battle'. What such past relationships, if you could call them that, have taught me is that I prefer the 'now' versus the 'what if' and 'in a couple weeks' and 'maybe in a month or two'. If the now works and feels healthy, go with that. If not, go with that. The future is unknown. If you enjoyed the company of other ladies while she's figuring her life out to make time for a relationship, what harm would occur? She's not inconvenienced in any way and no infidelity nor cheating has occurred. Win-win. Perhaps it would make your time with her even more enjoyable. Lastly, IMO, you'll never know what exactly is going on in her life or her mind until she's staring into your eyes and holding your hand as you're dying. It will be only then that you'll know for sure. Until then, do what works for you. If she's there, that's an answer; a synergy. If not, not. Good luck. I hear you and I appreciate your advice. I have considered what you're saying. If I do find someone more compatible, I would just tell her it's over. I'm not actively looking attm. Perhaps I should. Just feel like I would be "cheating" behind her back. And I am very sensitive to that because that's what my ex did to me about 3 yrs ago. I promised myself that I would never hurt someone like that again, or be the "guy" ruining another guys relationship. So in some respect, I feel like if I'm going to find someone else, I need to break this relationship cleanly, if you will, first.
pteromom Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I hear you and I appreciate your advice. I have considered what you're saying. If I do find someone more compatible, I would just tell her it's over. I'm not actively looking attm. Perhaps I should. Just feel like I would be "cheating" behind her back. Yeh - before you date anyone else, you need to talk to her. Find out what she wants. Bring up the lack of sex - heck, you are both adults. You both know it is a normal part of a relationship. Find out what her thoughts and feelings are about you and the relationship. If she is ambivalent or isn't ready to take things to the next level, you have your answer and can move on. All that said - I am not a woman with a high libido, and I would find it difficult to go three months without sex! I would make a mental note that it is possible she doesn't like sex or has an extremely low libido. 2
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 Yeh - before you date anyone else, you need to talk to her. Find out what she wants. Bring up the lack of sex - heck, you are both adults. You both know it is a normal part of a relationship. Find out what her thoughts and feelings are about you and the relationship. If she is ambivalent or isn't ready to take things to the next level, you have your answer and can move on. All that said - I am not a woman with a high libido, and I would find it difficult to go three months without sex! I would make a mental note that it is possible she doesn't like sex or has an extremely low libido. Well all you posters must be reading my mind. I thought the same thing. I do need to speak with her, or maybe just send more signals or be more flirtatious with her to see if she responds. However, I know that when I was in a custody battle, or family had health problems...the last thing on my mind was to get laid. Those distractions really screw with your libido, and perhaps its the same with her?
pteromom Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Those distractions really screw with your libido, and perhaps its the same with her? Maybe so, but as someone else noted, these distractions could go on for YEARS. And what happens if some other stress comes up - your intimacy just goes with it? Don't play games and flirt and try to get a response. Be blunt and talk to her. Three months in is plenty of time to have a straight-up conversation about this. 1
Balzac Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Hotel rooms are not that expensive. You're not locked into overnight. You've spent time dating and getting to know her. What's the custody issue emerging again so many years post divorce.
carhill Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Hotel rooms are not that expensive. You're not locked into overnight. You've spent time dating and getting to know her. What's the custody issue emerging again so many years post divorce. Good point, on both counts. I recall, back in the day, taking a lady to a concert and booking a hotel room for after and 'checking out' early so she could get home to her kids and relieve the help by midnight or 1am. Except for my exW, all the ladies I had relationships with had kids. Where there's a will, there's a way. Also, with those ladies, none ever talked in any substantive way about their custody arrangements with their ex-husbands. They had kids, that was obvious, but that was it. No drama. Interesting correlation is that there was also sex. Hmm....
Balzac Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Helz married couples with that many kids check into hotels for sexual fun. Overnight babysitters are not uncommon. This woman is apparently not creative. She can take a day from work to check into a hotel. I have no idea what the age her kids are but one can presume her youngest is 7 years. How hard is it to trade sleepover for kids? Edited October 25, 2012 by Balzac Waaaay concerning in my book
Ninjainpajamas Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 This doesn't sound like a woman who is ready for intimacy in her life. And the fact that you haven't even had a discussion about this after 3 months of dating, yet you seemed to have had each others kids meet which seems a little bit to me like putting the cart before the horse. It's always alluding to me how people can avoid such big topics and essentially beaming topics that need to be addressed...like who's having the balls here to come out and talk about sex or intimacy? Are we just waiting here from some sparrow to come out of the sky which a message that it is now the right time and ok to have sex? the level of communication people have in their dating lives or relationships is beyond me...are we not adults here? are we that scared to have a serious discussion? is it that hard to speak your mind and express how you really feel that we must dodge and weave trying to pick up the "signals" or send them?...sorry, but it's ridiculous and with having been married for years you would think that the number one priority would be communication in your next relationship? whether to prevent or avoid the same similar messes and problems...aren't we a little more serious the next time around I'd assume? But ok, I'll peel off here a bit because I am not in my 40's nor have I even been divorced with kids, maybe there's a different flow and dynamic to dating where it's perfectly normal to start integrating into each others lives before even having sex...I don't think so, and personally I don't get it and very much doubt I would handle the situation the same way but maybe it's something you fell into that I'm not seeing here. Bottom line is you have to in someway find out if she's ready for intimacy right? so are you going to take a chance at setting up some event where you end up in a hotel room even though you've never spent any prior time alone together enough to be intimate just do it in one swoop in a motel/weekend or weeknight get away? Or are the next time we're making smoochy smoochy and gazing into each others eyes are we going to actually say...hey? how are you feeling? It's been about 3 months together, we haven't been intimate and I'm just wondering if that's because we're taking it slow here or are you having any doubts or feeling uncomfortable...::angel song as clouds apart among the heavens::.. Am I crazy here? is that an inappropriate question? honestly I wouldn't give a damn personally, I'm finding out what the deal is here because for bob sakes we're acting like a couple here but mr rabbit hasn't been in the rabbit hole! call me crazy, but maybe there's a whole flood of reasons why she's not ready to be intimate and maybe it would be worth talking about them and building a loser relationship? You've got to communicate with this woman, not only to build trust, closeness and make her feel more bonded to you but you've also got to find out exactly what kind of situation you are in here...how do you just keep "going with the flow" when you don't even know the flow is! She sounds busy, she sounds overloaded, she sounds overwhelmed and probably doesn't feel very sexy and is instead putting a lot of over things as a priority in her life...you might be her friends with benefits, not the kind you have sex with though but the kind that distracts her from her life and helps add some dynamic to the otherwise dramatic and emotional experience that is her life. how long will she keep this up? maybe you need to be more aggressive because she's waiting for you to make a move...most women want a man to initiate and be the aggressor...because if you don't they don't know how you feel, and if you do then hey at least they can reject you and tell you to wait but still know they have your interest My biggest gripe among everything is the level of communication you have at month three, it might as well be date three from the sound of it.
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 25, 2012 Author Posted October 25, 2012 This doesn't sound like a woman who is ready for intimacy in her life. And the fact that you haven't even had a discussion about this after 3 months of dating, yet you seemed to have had each others kids meet which seems a little bit to me like putting the cart before the horse. It's always alluding to me how people can avoid such big topics and essentially beaming topics that need to be addressed...like who's having the balls here to come out and talk about sex or intimacy? Are we just waiting here from some sparrow to come out of the sky which a message that it is now the right time and ok to have sex? the level of communication people have in their dating lives or relationships is beyond me...are we not adults here? are we that scared to have a serious discussion? is it that hard to speak your mind and express how you really feel that we must dodge and weave trying to pick up the "signals" or send them?...sorry, but it's ridiculous and with having been married for years you would think that the number one priority would be communication in your next relationship? whether to prevent or avoid the same similar messes and problems...aren't we a little more serious the next time around I'd assume? But ok, I'll peel off here a bit because I am not in my 40's nor have I even been divorced with kids, maybe there's a different flow and dynamic to dating where it's perfectly normal to start integrating into each others lives before even having sex...I don't think so, and personally I don't get it and very much doubt I would handle the situation the same way but maybe it's something you fell into that I'm not seeing here. Bottom line is you have to in someway find out if she's ready for intimacy right? so are you going to take a chance at setting up some event where you end up in a hotel room even though you've never spent any prior time alone together enough to be intimate just do it in one swoop in a motel/weekend or weeknight get away? Or are the next time we're making smoochy smoochy and gazing into each others eyes are we going to actually say...hey? how are you feeling? It's been about 3 months together, we haven't been intimate and I'm just wondering if that's because we're taking it slow here or are you having any doubts or feeling uncomfortable...::angel song as clouds apart among the heavens::.. Am I crazy here? is that an inappropriate question? honestly I wouldn't give a damn personally, I'm finding out what the deal is here because for bob sakes we're acting like a couple here but mr rabbit hasn't been in the rabbit hole! call me crazy, but maybe there's a whole flood of reasons why she's not ready to be intimate and maybe it would be worth talking about them and building a loser relationship? You've got to communicate with this woman, not only to build trust, closeness and make her feel more bonded to you but you've also got to find out exactly what kind of situation you are in here...how do you just keep "going with the flow" when you don't even know the flow is! She sounds busy, she sounds overloaded, she sounds overwhelmed and probably doesn't feel very sexy and is instead putting a lot of over things as a priority in her life...you might be her friends with benefits, not the kind you have sex with though but the kind that distracts her from her life and helps add some dynamic to the otherwise dramatic and emotional experience that is her life. how long will she keep this up? maybe you need to be more aggressive because she's waiting for you to make a move...most women want a man to initiate and be the aggressor...because if you don't they don't know how you feel, and if you do then hey at least they can reject you and tell you to wait but still know they have your interest My biggest gripe among everything is the level of communication you have at month three, it might as well be date three from the sound of it. Well what can I say. You nailed it on multiple levels. I need to make a move and see her reaction. And yes perhaps she's waiting for me to make a move in a more substantial way. If she rejects my advances, then I just simply need to understand why. If she doesn't give me a reason, then I need to move on. Thank you all for your awesome insight. I'm quite impressed.
xxoo Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 If she's got her kids every day and night, I can see how it is possible to not have the time and privacy. But if you haven't even talked about sex, that seems really odd to me. I mean, the woman's got 4 kids....she ain't no virgin If it were me, I'd have arranged a daytime date, when you both take a day off from work and "play hooky", while the kids are at school or daycare. Lunch and then back to your place to take the next step. Is she all over you when you are together? Breathless, flushed face and swollen lips from kissing? Sitting close, with her hand on your thigh? If not, she may just not be that sexually attracted to you. 1
todreaminblue Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Ok. So I'm happily divorced for over 2 years. I have two kids that I share custody with my ex. I dated shortly after and after about a year things didn't work. More than likely it was a rebound. I met a really nice woman back at the end of July. She has been divorced for about 7 yrs, and has 4 kids and she has the kids all of the time. She also works about 10 hrs a day. We have been going out since begining of August, and we get along very well. I know that we are both very comfortable around each other, and our kids have gotton together several times in the last 3 months. I have met her friends and she has met mine, and all is well from that standpoint. We either text of talk on the phone every day. However, it seems like we have never had the opportunity to be intimate with each other. We have kissed, we hold hands, etc. But when we go out, she usually has to get back home to take care of the kids. So there is really no opportunity for us to be alone after going out. I realize that she's busy with work and with kids activities. But it just seems like after three months of being together, we should have been more intimate than just kissing. I know that I am not just a friend, but at the same time it feels like I'm in a limbo state. I like her a lot, and can see myself having a long term relationship with her. Just wondering if I should just be patient and wait, or bring it up in conversation. I don't want to lose her, but at the same time sex is a part of a relationship, and attm it is nonexistant. I would not bring a guy back to have sex at my house i have kids in fact when i have dated no man has met my kids they have known of my kids but not met them I cant do that to them, its unfair on them , it also goes against what i am trying to teach them.....which is you only have sex in a loving committed relationship i have teenage girls......i have to lead by example and get that respect for doing that....even if i wanted to which i dont because i actually stand by what i believe in even though i am an unmarried mother of five i actually use this as well to prove a point.......in showing and telling my mistakes as well as my good points........my bad choices my good choices all prove my values.......i am honest with them when i am interested in someone...even though they tease me mercilessly about how shy i am...they do respect me.......they see that i take things seriously and i move slow..they actually like the guy i like i am not surprised.......my teenage girls should all move slow........ i know their personalities and everyone of them needs to eventually find a life long partner....not casual sex..they dont really fit in with todays dating sphere....maybe because i am the mum who knows...maybe because i blieve god gave us all the same hearts the same dreams....it will cause problems for them later as they are not that way inclined they are not casual girls....they are big hearts........ I would talk to your gf....find out how she feels...... i made a promise to myself and i made a promise to god and i made a promise to them they will see......i am celibate will remain that way until my next relationship is a life long one.......maybe your girlfriend leads by example with her children.....she was married so obviously she believes in the concept and beauty of marriage....and wants her children to believe in that concept and beauty of marriage.....the only way you will know is to talk to her....no one on here can say what and why she is holding out on sex......i wouldnt force the issue....just a suggestion...but definitely talk about it.......deb
dasein Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Agree with carhill, and sorry to say, just don't think she's that interested. People have a way of deemphasizing life issues to create workarounds when they are into someone, and of overemphasizing same issues when they are placeholding. She's not a villain for feeling this way, nor you for wanting more. I disagree that it's time to have a big talk. Time to let your forwardness do the talking and gauge her response. If she balks or makes excuses or claims "have to get home to the kids," you will have one answer, and if she is enthusiastic about going further a different answer. Just pull off and park like a teenager, go early for second base and beyond. Good luck regardless.
Ruby Slippers Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 I agree that you need to make a move. She's probably waiting on you to do that. Personally, I wouldn't talk about it up front - I'd just provide the right environment, then make the moves. Nature will take its course from there. If it doesn't go as hoped, then you can talk about it. You need to arrange a full day of hooky or a little overnight trip, and work with her to figure out a workable solution for overnight babysitting for all the kids. Nothing to bring you out of a "funk" like some great sex with your honey 1
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 26, 2012 Author Posted October 26, 2012 Well you're a brave man. Most men would run from a woman with a litter of 4 kids and all the drama that comes with it. Now add in the coming years of court battles for custody and more than likely always having to chase her ex for child support all the time, and know I'd run for the freakin hills. Obviously deadbeat daddy doesn't want to care for all those kids every other weekend, so she's got them 24/7 which means you'll NEVER be a priority. Ever. Run. Run hard, run fast, run like the wind...but RUN. Lol! The custody thing is just a temporary thing. She's had full custody of her kids for 7 yrs. Her ex is just going to court to get every other weekends. The issue is that her kids are in many activities, and one has severe allergies. So she's concerned that he won't take them to all their activities or worse yet not be able to handle medical emergencies. Just as as FYI, I have two kids of my own. And I can assure you no woman will ever take priority over them. With that being said, I do make time for myself. She has a harder time to do that, and now it's getting to a point where it's affecting where I think the relationship should be. As has been suggested, I need to get us not a situation where her kids are not around, and I can just make a move. And see where it goes. I think I will have that chance this weekend. I just hate "planning" or "scheduling" sex. It's just so artificial. But if that's what it's gong to take, I need to try. Wish me luck
Ruby Slippers Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 I just hate "planning" or "scheduling" sex. It's just so artificial. But if that's what it's gong to take, I need to try. Wish me luck I don't think it's planning or scheduling. It's creating the environment where it could happen. Every time I go to my boyfriend's house or he comes to mine, we create an environment where it could - and does - happen. We don't have to think about kids, but we clean house, put clean sheets on the bed, stock the fridge with good food, make our sexy music mixes. You could call this planning - but really, it's more like getting prepared 2
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 26, 2012 Author Posted October 26, 2012 I don't think it's planning or scheduling. It's creating the environment where it could happen. Every time I go to my boyfriend's house or he comes to mine, we create an environment where it could - and does - happen. We don't have to think about kids, but we clean house, put clean sheets on the bed, stock the fridge with good food, make our sexy music mixes. You could call this planning - but really, it's more like getting prepared Yea I know what you're saying. It's just the opportunity to be alone like that hasn't presented itself. So I gotta make it happen. I take some of the blame in that I haven't pushed for it the happen. 2
Author NiceGuyDTW Posted October 28, 2012 Author Posted October 28, 2012 Yea I know what you're saying. It's just the opportunity to be alone like that hasn't presented itself. So I gotta make it happen. I take some of the blame in that I haven't pushed for it the happen. Well there was a big Halloween party she was supposed to come wit me to. Her kid got sick and her child care didn't show up until later. So didn't even get the chance to make a move. I just find it amazing how it always seems as though these things always come up. I texted her today and said we need to talk. I'm hopefully going to see her tonight and tell her how I feel. I'm simply going to ask her if she feels attracted to me, and what she wants out of a relationship with me.
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