xdahliax Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 First of all, don't call me honey. I'm not your honey. Second, you land yourself a manly man by being a real woman and submitting to him. He'll take care of you and you won't need to work and multitask like a robot. But, because you wanted equality, because you wanted to behave like a man, not only do you now have masculine responsibilities like "taking care of your stuff", you now have to also cook, clean, and raise children without a man to support you. Congratulations! You now work harder and do more today for less in return. That's progress, isn't it? Your computer has been traced to Saudi Arabia. 2
threebyfate Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 Her beauty? Well, beauty fades. Her personality? Well, yes that's a good reason but we're talking money now. How uninspired and trite the accusation over a man's monetary worth has become that unfortunately for you no longer carries the same weight because, well, you can do it all yourself! You can earn all the money and the man can relax, because there is that fundamental piece of information about men that you are missing and that you cannot comprehend! You want to throw away your femininity and ties to humanity in favor of becoming an automaton? Go right ahead, no man will stop you. Well, some men have tried to stop you, but the liberal media is just so good at influencing people's opinions, especially women's, isn't it?You're basing your stance on false premises. How sad that you have no concept of what love is and don't view women as people, with feelings, aspirations and needs. It's all about you which is why women have to be very careful about who they choose to partner with. A sad state of perception.
jcrew11 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 OMG, you are EVER so wrong. If I didn't want to be talked to by a man, I would not be at the bar by myself, at 10:30pm. Seriously. Cheaper to drink at home, and listen to the music that I like instead of some of the crappy music they often play at bars. Talking to a woman is fine. Inappropriate attentions to her after you start talking to her? Not fine. But liek I said, I have never assumed, and will never assume, that a guy is trying to get into my "pants" if he starts a casual conversation with me, or whatever. I didn't assume it tonight when that guy talked to me about my tablet. No way, haha.You evidently don't know the difference between talking to a woman who has given all the signals that she wants to be talked to, and harassing a woman who has clearly indicated/or signaled that she does NOT wish to be bothered. You sound like a strong, confident, independent woman. I don't know the situation, but here are some possible reasons: (1) If you were hot enough, then some men would at least approach you; (2) If you are a feminist, you would have taken the lead and approached the guy you found most attractive, even at the risk of being rejected; (3) Some of the guys may have been married, and just having a guys night out, and not looking for a one night stand with a strange woman; (4) Bars are not the best places to meet loose women or sketchy men; (5) Guys of today are taught to be respectful of women in the office, and in society; the successful alpha male players are the men who think about ways to hook up with women 24-7; so if you are trying to meet men at a pub, you're probably going to find a player and not a "long term nice guy"
espec10001 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 You're basing your stance on false premises. How sad that you have no concept of what love is and don't view women as people, with feelings, aspirations and needs. It's all about you which is why women have to be very careful about who they choose to partner with. A sad state of perception. I'm sad? I would say that the state of current affairs is even more disheartening. Make people work harder, put them in debt for their whole lives, that they cannot, even if they tried, to think of concepts beyond economical ones. Women ARE people, but they ARE NOT MEN! They are expending far too much energy in trying to take on male roles as well, and the losers in this are the women themselves, not the men. The formula is quite simple: put people in debt their whole lives, erase any concept of love, religious, or spiritual principles because every debtor's primary concern is money that they have no time or ability to focus on anything else. This is why you attack me as a man based upon my ability to earn or make money, why so many divorces and hardships in this world are all directly caused by money.
jcrew11 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 I was going to say the same exact thing to her but it's just not worth the bother. I think she has well and truly exempted herself from being given the benefit of the doubt. See how she jumped in to tell us that she's not like that. Not only is that a childish tactic used to avoid the issue, but we can see now that she actually is like that. Check it out, she's an entitlement princess who has to be won over. What a prize she must be. You go girl! Its true that American women have higher expectations and are spoiled by romantic comedies. But I think you have to be an Alpha Male and think about "getting sex" instead of creating a lasting relationship which may not ever exist. Its much easier for both the man and the woman to think about the short-term before planning for the long-term. Women are used to male players wanting sex only, so they make men jump through hoops. As a man, you're not going to change a woman's mind that men are horny losers. So you have to play the "short term game" by thinking about seduction first, and a relationship later. Women live in a "player's world" and if you're not generating "attraction" then you are failing.
threebyfate Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 I'm sad? I would say that the state of current affairs is even more disheartening. Make people work harder, put them in debt for their whole lives, that they cannot, even if they tried, to think of concepts beyond economical ones. Women ARE people, but they ARE NOT MEN! They are expending far too much energy in trying to take on male roles as well, and the losers in this are the women themselves, not the men. The formula is quite simple: put people in debt their whole lives, erase any concept of love, religious, or spiritual principles because every debtor's primary concern is money that they have no time or ability to focus on anything else. This is why you attack me as a man based upon my ability to earn or make money, why so many divorces and hardships in this world are all directly caused by money.This argument makes zero sense. Two people working equates to more income. It also equates to more realistic marriages where one party doesn't have all the financial power, thus holds the whip hand. Your premises are based on dusty, archaic beliefs that men and women MUST abide by social gender construct roles which really are chock full of silliness.
espec10001 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 This argument makes zero sense. Two people working equates to more income. It also equates to more realistic marriages where one party doesn't have all the financial power, thus holds the whip hand. Your premises are based on dusty, archaic beliefs that men and women MUST abide by social gender construct roles which really are chock full of silliness. Of course it doesn't make sense to you. "Realistic marriages"? More like marriages that end in divorce. More income, more happiness! Right? "If we make more money, we'll be happier!" Where do children fit into this? Who is at home to raise the children? Oh, well since we both must work in order to be happy we send them to strangers. See what I mean? No, you don't because like I said the current state of this liberal garbage makes people happy to be enslaved.
threebyfate Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 Of course it doesn't make sense to you. "Realistic marriages"? More like marriages that end in divorce. More income, more happiness! Right? "If we make more money, we'll be happier!" Where do children fit into this? Who is at home to raise the children? Oh, well since we both must work in order to be happy we send them to strangers. See what I mean? No, you don't because like I said the current state of this liberal garbage makes people happy to be enslaved.This presupposes that everyone must have children. A lot of marriages are opting out which to me is fine, if that's what they wish to do. With my marriage, we both work full time where I work from home. We have domestic help with a net income gain and also the ability for me to spend time with my two children during the work day. This isn't isolated to women working from home. Men can work from home too of which many do, if they're in tech field. It's time to break out of the 1950s. This year is 2012. Next year will be 2013. It's really okay for all parties within a marriage or family to feel fulfilled. There are ways and means to make this happen. 1
espec10001 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 This presupposes that everyone must have children. A lot of marriages are opting out which to me is fine, if that's what they wish to do. With my marriage, we both work full time where I work from home. We have domestic help with a net income gain and also the ability for me to spend time with my two children during the work day. This isn't isolated to women working from home. Men can work from home too of which many do, if they're in tech field. It's time to break out of the 1950s. This year is 2012. Next year will be 2013. It's really okay for all parties within a marriage or family to feel fulfilled. There are ways and means to make this happen. 1950's? Try most of human history. "Working" from home, don't count on that lasting very long. Like I said, if others think that times are tough now, they're in for a big surprise.
threebyfate Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 1950's? Try most of human history. "Working" from home, don't count on that lasting very long. Like I said, if others think that times are tough now, they're in for a big surprise.What a bunch of sweeping nonsense. "Everyone, unless we abide by old constructs, we're doooooomed!", just doesn't cut any points except in the story of chicken little.
ThaWholigan Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 What a bunch of sweeping nonsense. "Everyone, unless we abide by old constructs, we're doooooomed!", just doesn't cut any points except in the story of chicken little. Oh would you look at that! The sky just fell -_- 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 And yeah I responded that way because quite frankly he's coming across as a misogynist pig. In time, types like him will cease to exist because there won't be any more men around who remember the "good ol days" when women stayed home and remained in their place. I'm pretty sure he doesn't exactly exist now. Probably just an angry bitter manospherebot who would fall to his knees in grateful prayer if some woman allowed him to tie her shoe. Boring.
Woggle Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 I am not trying to put women back in their place or any of that but since women here understandably don't want to be stuck in a specific gender role why do they place men in a box? I keep hearing them say they want a manly man but let a man say he wants a womanly woman and all of a sudden we get chewed for wanting to bring women back to the 1950s. Why is it okay for a woman to want a strong masculine man but if we want a sweet and feminine woman we are considered sexist. I am not trying to bash anybody but I think this is a good question. It seems that many want it to be one way.
espec10001 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 What a bunch of sweeping nonsense. "Everyone, unless we abide by old constructs, we're doooooomed!", just doesn't cut any points except in the story of chicken little. Never said that. Look at what is happening in Europe. It will happen in the U.S., possibly even worse. When it happens, not if, you'll remember your place. 1
espec10001 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 I'm pretty sure he doesn't exactly exist now. Probably just an angry bitter manospherebot who would fall to his knees in grateful prayer if some woman allowed him to tie her shoe. Boring. Wrong. You are probably a whale and I'd tie your shoes for you out of sympathy because you can't bend down to do it yourself. 1
threebyfate Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Never said that. Look at what is happening in Europe. It will happen in the U.S., possibly even worse. When it happens, not if, you'll remember your place.More wind up and a complete waste of time. ----------------------------------------- Anyways, women only bother with men who are worth bothering with. When we encounter retards, we tend to cut bait and run. 1
espec10001 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 It's a shame that so many women don't have a rudimentary understanding of equality, which is what feminism is sold as. John Stiles, You need not worry. This recent "American Babylon" phenomena will die away soon enough. How do I know? Look at Europe and their situation.
espec10001 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 More wind up and a complete waste of time. ----------------------------------------- Anyways, women only bother with men who are worth bothering with. When we encounter retards, we tend to cut bait and run. Hahaha! Ignorance at its finest! You really think it won't happen here, do you?
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Think narcissism, and who comes to mind? A man or a woman? 75% of diagnosed narcissists are men ... Think high maintenance, and who comes to mind? Women. Selfish, entitled, narcissistic, materialistic, greedy excuses for human beings. You think that the monstosities on sex and the city are role models. There are some guys here who know exactly what I'm talking about, and a very few honourable women who get it too. And deep down, those women who are deeply affected by this epidemic get it aswell, but you dare not admit it to yourselves, because that would require a huge overhaul of your entire character. All I can say is that for your sake, I hope you are gay! Clearly you won't be actually doing anything with any women in the real world. 2
Anela Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 The bottom line here is that there is a very insidious "disease" if you like, among females. Your gender has been f u cked up severely. The nature of a woman and the nature of the feminine is essentially good. My quarrel isn't with the nature of women, my issue here is that your gender has basically been transformed, especially in recent decades, and especially in the west, into a disgusting thing. It hasn't affected all of you to the same extent, and in some rare cases it has barely affected some of you at all, but for the most part, it has. And you don't even know it. Feminism and western me me me thinking has messed a lot of you up. Think narcissism, and who comes to mind? A man or a woman? Think high maintenance, and who comes to mind? Women. Selfish, entitled, narcissistic, materialistic, greedy excuses for human beings. You think that the monstosities on sex and the city are role models. There are some guys here who know exactly what I'm talking about, and a very few honourable women who get it too. And deep down, those women who are deeply affected by this epidemic get it aswell, but you dare not admit it to yourselves, because that would require a huge overhaul of your entire character. What. The. ****??? I know this stuff has been posted in various ways, over and over, but I'm having one of Smiles' "dafuq did I just read?" moments.
Taramere Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) 75% of diagnosed narcissists are men ... One of the things about narcissism that so often gets overlooked is that healthy people do in fact have some level of narcissism about them. The issue isn't so much narcissism itself, as how much of it abounds in a person. Whether they're narcissistic to the point of it being an anti-social disorder. I find it interesting, and can't be the only person who has read about narcissism and wondered "am I excessively narcissistic?" I can certainly see some of the traits in myself. I'll think of times jobs and relationships haven't worked out and wonder...was it just misfortune, was it X's fault...or is it down to some narcissism on my part? We can never really know the answers for sure, but I quite often find myself discussing issues that come up on here with a friend who's a doctor. She's a GP, so she doesn't have specialist knowledge of these antisocial disorders...but like me, she has an interest in them (and will also respond along the lines of "God, I sometimes wonder the same thing about myself). Unlike me she regularly attends courses run by those who do specialise....and she often shares things she's learned on those courses. What she always says (and this tallies with my experience of representing people in mental health tribunals and reading psychiatric reports) is that one of the main things psychiatrists will look for, in assessing a condition and its severity, is whether a person has insight into it. How much self awareness that person has. Whether they perceive problems in their own thinking and behaviour, or if they attribute everything to external circumstances (most usually the thoughts and behaviour of other people). If I show my most down to earth, friends a list of the traits of narcissistic personality ,and say "I think I'm a narcissist!" chances are they'll respond along the lines of "God...it looks like I'm one too." Most of us are aware of our flaws, weaknesses and inadequacies. Think of times when we blamed others in an attempt to avoid looking inwards. Defence mechanisms in action. It's human nature, I think, to try to avoid blame when things go wrong.....and you can see that come out all the time, in high profile f*ck-ups where everybody is racing around trying to find somebody to hold accountable, while avoiding blame themselves. Our litigious culture doesn't help to encourage personal accountability. . However, in normal circumstances where litigation isn't remotely likely to ensue as a result of disagreement, two people having a crossed communication, will usually pause and then try again....both sides attempting to express themselves in a more clear way. If you're dealing with a narcissist, however, all you'll tend to get is anger, rage "you don't understand me.....you're missing the point....." etc. A narcissist will absolutely not entertain the possibility that they could contribute to better communication. Whatever anger and frustration they feel...the responsibility always lies with other people or external circumstances. It's annoying to observe, but perhaps we should all concede that it must be infinitely more painful and stressful to be that person who constantly seethes in their own stew of anger and frustration. Others do, at least, have the option of walking away. Which is probably the healthiest response to threads like this. Edited October 21, 2012 by Taramere
NoMoreJerks Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 What. The. ****??? I know this stuff has been posted in various ways, over and over, but I'm having one of Smiles' "dafuq did I just read?" moments. I mean, I am not surprised to read his ****ty attitude. My ex had that attitude towards women - discovered it about halfway through our relationship. He was extremely misogynistic. And you know how he wanted Western women to behave? Like Thai prostitutes. Doing whatever the man wanted, as if she was getting paid to do the stuff he wanted, except that the Western woman apparently has to put out "for free", without even deserving to be treated to a drink, or a dinner. These are the types of men that actually travel all the way to Thailand multiple times a year because they can't get a woman otherwise, and want the type of woman they can only get by paying (cheap) Thai prostitutes to keep their company.
Anela Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 I mean, I am not surprised to read his ****ty attitude. My ex had that attitude towards women - discovered it about halfway through our relationship. He was extremely misogynistic. And you know how he wanted Western women to behave? Like Thai prostitutes. Doing whatever the man wanted, as if she was getting paid to do the stuff he wanted, except that the Western woman apparently has to put out "for free", without even deserving to be treated to a drink, or a dinner. These are the types of men that actually travel all the way to Thailand multiple times a year because they can't get a woman otherwise, and want the type of woman they can only get by paying (cheap) Thai prostitutes to keep their company. I know. The guy I mentioned to you, was one who thought that women shouldn't be bought drinks. He was weird in that he actually seemed to respect me, and like me a lot, but then when I finally flipped over something, he informed me that he'd thought I was quiet and strong (like a man?), but he was wrong: I was just like all the other women who (blah, blah, blah). He wasn't responsible for himself and his situation, but everyone else was responsible for themselves: if he treated you like ****, it was your problem for having trusted him in the first place. I shouldn't want a man in my life, but when he met his girlfriend, she "saved" him. when they broke up, he hated the world again. Just the type of man I've tried to avoid, my whole freaking life.
irc333 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Funny, I have a female friend who just started using online dating. Despite being inundated to numerous messages from guys (especially weird and creepy ones), she still makes the effort to browse and message guys who catch her eye. Hell, she might even have a date with this one guy she contacted soon. Really? I've even seen profiles where women have stated they don't do the contacting...even in ONLINE dating. It's kind of funny, I know this one woman, that I had seen a party, had a brand new boyfriend. Turns out, he's someone she's known for a couple of years, but ALWAYS rejected his numerous times he's asked her out, then one day "BOOM" they're a couple. She told me "Yeah, he asked me out the umpteenth time,s o I decided to go for it" That dude is pathetic.
phineas Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 Really? I've even seen profiles where women have stated they don't do the contacting...even in ONLINE dating. It's kind of funny, I know this one woman, that I had seen a party, had a brand new boyfriend. Turns out, he's someone she's known for a couple of years, but ALWAYS rejected his numerous times he's asked her out, then one day "BOOM" they're a couple. She told me "Yeah, he asked me out the umpteenth time,s o I decided to go for it" That dude is pathetic. Yeah, I see that nonsense on OLD profiles also. They put it on BOLD. LOL! Their hot too so I can't see how they can't meet a guy in real life. So they must also be picky or haven't figured out the majority of men who will approach her & do all the work are players. Which they also complain about in their profile. LOL! I also see a lot of "I want men to take the lead" that usually turns me off also because it means i gotta do all the heavy lifting. But I had one who wants men take the lead favorite me so I decided to message her anyways because that action of initiation of contact made her stand out and we had some things in common. So far she's responding.
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