yongyong Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Typical American women mindset. It's like arguing with some religious crack head. At the end, your mouth will be hurting (on internet, your fingers) Marilyn Monroe is what a woman body should look like. I don't know what happened to our society thinking looking like a stick is attractive. A size 7 to size 12 is not over weight. 5 foot 5 and 150 pounds is not over weight.
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 How can that girl weigh 175 lbs. She looks like she is about 135. She has slim bones, her wrists look like mine, even if she is more muscley than I am there is no way that chick is 45lbs heavier than I am and I am her height. I want to see photos of these people actually on their scales! lol. But her legs aren't even in the picture. Big muscular legs and butt can weigh a lot! You can see she has quite broad shoulders, so she probably has a bigger frame.
Charlie Harper Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 The question to make is: Would you date an idiot if he or she is super fit? Also If you marry said idiot and he/she gets heavier, will you divorce right away? Women get pregnant you know...LOL
verhrzn Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 I am 175 and 5'8 and not far from the girl in the picture so it can vary person to person. That photo gallery is always fascinating, give the diversity of bodies that the same height and weight show. Here is the gallery of girls that are my same height and weight. Yet all of their bodies are wildly different from each other. What can ya say, some people just carry it better. (For the record, this girl is probably what my body is closest to, though I carry much more of my weight in my stomach and she in her thighs.) For the OP, I absolutely believe there are leagues, though I tend to think of them as either Physical, or Economic. I think you have to match your partner in one of these two leagues. Dating someone who is more physically attractive than you are (based on majority opinion and social standards) is not a bad thing, nor is dating someone who is perhaps wealthier/more success than you. It's when the person is BOTH that I think you have trouble. To me, that also explains why you see "mismatched" couples... because they are people who match in the Economic league. The rich hob-nobbing with the rich, and so forth. I was at the mall today, and I noticed how in the more expensive stores, couples might not match physically, but both were wearing name brand items, or both were buying very expensive merchandise. The more I thought of it, the more it made sense to me, since sex and money seem to be the two biggest areas of contention in relationships. The more closely you are matched on either, the less pitfalls you can avoid. I firmly believe leagues exist. Now, do I think you should seek outside your league? Eh, to me, it depends. I think people should have absolute freedom to seek outside their league, and if you are persistant enough, you can be successful. "Leagues" are just a way of balancing the numbers... hitting on in-league girls increases your odds of success, while hitting on out-league girls decreasing them. So, if you're got thick skin and don't mind a higher amount of rejections, go for it. I myself would never go out of my league because of the inevitable problems it would cause. Relationships are hard enough.... when you add differences between partners on top of it, you encounter a lot of problems you could have avoided. For example, if you date a hotter girl, you constantly worry about her cheating on you, or watching other guys keep taking cracks at her. If you date a richer guy, you constantly worry about becoming economically dependent, or feeling bad that you can't "keep up." I am really not sure why people argue against the existence of leagues. Over-inflated optimism, perhaps?...
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 You'll hit your head on door frames. Hm. Maybe that can explain quite a lot ...
ascendotum Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 There are "leagues", whether people want to call them that or not! The funny thing is, most the people on LS who shout about how there is no such thing as leagues have quite an extensive list of what they require in a mate! If requiring a white collar man who is above 5'11 doesn't put you out of the league of men who AREN'T that then...what?! lol. It's semantics and PCness to deny "leagues". It goes both ways, men and women have their "leagues" and things that put someone in "their league" and things that take them out of it. I agree. So many I have known many (M and F) over the years who have got their act together in the gym, and then become more hardcore in terms of what they now expect in a partner. Its not preferences, they have higher expectations now. I have worked with plenty of educated professional career women in the finance sector and for sure many (not all) rank guys in terms of league. They just never use the word, but what suburb he lived in and car he drove, what education level he achieved, what his aspirations are, how tall or good looking he is all were weighed up, and they had to be up to their standard but preferably higher. They could argue its all preferences, but I really think they way they discussed guys there was a ranking evaluation, and its not just facial looks. I don't know too many women with uni degrees who married guys who had never been to uni and the couple I do are with well built tradesmen with their own coy or successful business owners, (were physique and or $$$ substitute). With women who do not have university qualifications, I think 'is he in my league' does not really apply...though when I became skinny, I really got the vibe from numerous thin/slender women that they were above my league, because they were definitely less friendly. (I realize that can simply be classified as simply attraction preference, but there more 'you wish' attitude from slimmer women). I don't want come off like I am just hanging it on women, but its just that women here seem to resent the 'league' concept, but I think many (not all) evaluate guys in that respect. I am sure people here can come up with an example of a couple that they know were you can say WTF how did he/she get her/him, but there is not THAT many mismatched, were the woman is noticeably more beautiful or successful than the guy and he's not either. Anyway just my opinion, and thats all this discussion will come down to, opinions.
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Wow - I've never really looked at that site before. Can you believe this girl is 5'5" and weighs over TWO HUNDRED pounds? I'm not sure I do believe it. Browse Photos - My Body Gallery - What Real Women Look Like I mean, she is not slim. But 5'5" and 209 lbs???
yongyong Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Would you date one eyed person with good personality OR two eyed person with awful personality? Of course, you want two eyed person with good personality It sounds really stupid like you asked, right? What's the chance of finding a good person with a fit body? Is it like hitting a lotto? so you have to give up either personality or body? you can't have both? I feel bad for people with this kind of logic. The question to make is: Would you date an idiot if he or she is super fit? Also If you marry said idiot and he/she gets heavier, will you divorce right away? Women get pregnant you know...LOL
tori0001 Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 If there where these so called leagues, then the man I am dating would not be dating me. He would have nothing to do with me. He's richer and much better looking then I am. If leagues where the case, he would be dating a rich beautiful woman. Not a poor struggling business person who can barely make ends meet. Who can barely keep her house a float. He's offered to help with my bills, but I wont allow him. I told him I'm not with him for his money, I'm with him because he's a decent person, who respects me for who I am.
Author Necromancer Posted October 7, 2012 Author Posted October 7, 2012 If there where these so called leagues, then the man I am dating would not be dating me. He would have nothing to do with me. He's richer and much better looking then I am. If leagues where the case, he would be dating a rich beautiful woman. Not a poor struggling business person who can barely make ends meet. Who can barely keep her house a float. He's offered to help with my bills, but I wont allow him. I told him I'm not with him for his money, I'm with him because he's a decent person, who respects me for who I am. Simple men date down and women up.
tori0001 Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 I don't think of him as higher then me, I think of him as a decent person. You're wrong. If a man in a paper bag treated me well, I would date him. It just so happened that the man and I clicked.
tori0001 Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 It was weird how we met. We did it as a joke, never expecting to meet any one. We happened to click. He's such a sweet, decent person. We had a few rough spots that we ironed out. He does almost all of the initiating contact. It's sweet. I feel special.
GirlontheLam Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Wow - I've never really looked at that site before. Can you believe this girl is 5'5" and weighs over TWO HUNDRED pounds? I'm not sure I do believe it. Browse Photos - My Body Gallery - What Real Women Look Like I mean, she is not slim. But 5'5" and 209 lbs??? Yup I can absolutely believe it. The thing is, on a site like that, no one really has a reason to lie. If anything, people will claim to weigh less than they do, not more. People have a preconceived notion on what weight X should look like and what women should weigh. But let's but it this way, if a woman in 5'8, 140 si likely going to be on the "thin" end for her height. 120 and 5'8 is really really thin. So someone weighing 5'8 and 170 pounds is going to be "medium sized." If she is someone who is a bit more muscular (i.e. has more muscle mass or a larger frame) that weight will be pretty "thin" at that height. But we have been taught to believe that any woman over 120 or 130 is "huge."
kaylan Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Wow - I've never really looked at that site before. Can you believe this girl is 5'5" and weighs over TWO HUNDRED pounds? I'm not sure I do believe it. Browse Photos - My Body Gallery - What Real Women Look Like I mean, she is not slim. But 5'5" and 209 lbs??? Anyone who buys that shes 200lbs at 5'5 and that size is blind and knows NOTHING about body composition.
runningfar Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Being average in a country filled to the brim with huge heifers doesn't mean anything in a positive sense. You're healthy now, that's probably true if you're young. We'll talk once the diabetes and heart failure train catches up with you. I am overweight. I know I am because I have been lighter than I am now and I liked the way I looked better. (Medical issues led to rapid weight gain; hard to lose again..) But I guarantee you I am healthier than most. I recently ran my first hundred mile race and was toward the front of the pack.. I can bench over my body weight. My Hdl cholesterol is high, LDL is low; great cholesterol, everything. I have skinny friends with none if that. Health can't be judged by looking. I don't care who is attracted to me. I recently started dating and realized there are very many people who want to date me even at a size 8 and just under 25% body fat (hydrostatic weighing)
Eternal Sunshine Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 There are leagues when it comes to dating. Since i work out and have good diet, in 1 digit body fat (around 9%) and have attractive body. Then i refuse to date an fat woman... why?. Because i want a women who is ready to put in the same effort in her appearance. You can hate all you want but i am out of 5´6, 170 pounds woman league. When it comes to physical appearance. Just going by this, women don't care as much abut body fat % as men do. Are you tall, do you have a cute face? I knew a guy who thought that he was entitled to fitness models because he has low body % and is fit. In reality, he was thin, small framed and had a rather unattractive face. He was also very socially awkward.
oaks Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 I want to see photos of these people actually on their scales! lol. And the tape measure for their height!
oaks Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 BMI isn't a clear indicator. The best one is body fat percentage and waist size is also a good indicator of health/disease risk too. It's a clear indicator of whether someone is overweight or obese... it's basically the definition of those things! However, the bands a very broad, and someone near the end of the range might have the same 'health' as someone in the next range (up or down). It doesn't really measure health or how fat someone is... just whether they're in the right ballpark weight for their height (or, if not, what name to use to describe their weight/height combination). To use it for more than that is a bit of a stretch - people of many weights can be unhealthy, and people of many weights can be healthy. Overweight people are still overweight, though, and saying that someone isn't overweight because they don't like the BMI measurement sounds like a form of denial.
oaks Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 A lot of people get hung up on the number and not how they look and feel... Agreed. I'd rather date someone (this is about Dating, right?) who was happy with her body at whatever size than someone who was looking at the scales or the tape measure every day and hating how she looks. But I'd also like to date someone healthy, and able to participate in some of my 'active' hobbies. (and, collectively, that gives me a preference for non-obese and not-too-overweight-either people.)
mesmerized Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 It's a clear indicator of whether someone is overweight or obese... it's basically the definition of those things! However, the bands a very broad, and someone near the end of the range might have the same 'health' as someone in the next range (up or down). It doesn't really measure health or how fat someone is... just whether they're in the right ballpark weight for their height (or, if not, what name to use to describe their weight/height combination). To use it for more than that is a bit of a stretch - people of many weights can be unhealthy, and people of many weights can be healthy. Overweight people are still overweight, though, and saying that someone isn't overweight because they don't like the BMI measurement sounds like a form of denial. Lol sooooo not true. Gym rats are considered obese by bmi scale. Let me guess, youre another lanky dude thinking you're "healthy" cause your bmi said so? 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Simple men date down and women up. Okay, when was the last time you actually had a real date? Truth!
oaks Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Lol sooooo not true. Gym rats are considered obese by bmi scale. Let me guess, youre another lanky dude thinking you're "healthy" cause your bmi said so? Well, they're overweight for their height, yes! but it's probably muscle rather than fat. I often see this issue raised as a reason to disregard BMI entirely, even by people to whom it does not apply (and it doesn't apply to many people, in the grand scheme of things). I have a BMI that varies between about 19.5 and 21, depending how much beer I drink vs how much exercise I do. I don't rely on this to tell me that I'm healthy... but it does tell me that I'm not overweight.
xdahliax Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Well, they're overweight for their height, yes! but it's probably muscle rather than fat. I often see this issue raised as a reason to disregard BMI entirely, even by people to whom it does not apply (and it doesn't apply to many people, in the grand scheme of things). I have a BMI that varies between about 19.5 and 21, depending how much beer I drink vs how much exercise I do. I don't rely on this to tell me that I'm healthy... but it does tell me that I'm not overweight. Not all people who have a fair amount of muscle will look like a bodybuilder. There is a middle between being all fat/no muscle and all muscle/no fat. But it's really not up to you to decide what their body composition is made up of based on their height and weight. Based on the pictures posted on this board, it can clearly be surprising what someone looks like at a certain height and weight.
mesmerized Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Well, they're overweight for their height, yes! but it's probably muscle rather than fat. I often see this issue raised as a reason to disregard BMI entirely, even by people to whom it does not apply (and it doesn't apply to many people, in the grand scheme of things). I have a BMI that varies between about 19.5 and 21, depending how much beer I drink vs how much exercise I do. I don't rely on this to tell me that I'm healthy... but it does tell me that I'm not overweight. If you were any kind of intellegent youd never say your first couple of sentences in that post.
Author Necromancer Posted October 7, 2012 Author Posted October 7, 2012 Okay, when was the last time you actually had a real date? Truth! Actually, i have never went on one since the gals always bail or make excuses. But i have seen my friends date down, still i have one or two who date up because they are great guys.
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