Interesting show on sex appeal.

[Ninjainpajamas]

This is primarily for the guys, as I know a lot of guys here struggle with confidence and they are making claims based off what they see in and experience in the real world, only to be told by people that it doesn't really work that way.

 

Well there was a show on the Discovery channel I've seen ages ago and I happened to think of it and find it quite easily on YouTube...this is a scientific study done to evaluate sex appeal and human psychology when it comes to choosing mates. The show was pretty long so what they're showing it here in pieces and isn't complete but It'll give you a general idea and this of course is based off science not someones personal opinion or perspective.

 

First link is about status having a lot of influence on attractiveness...but maybe you'll be a little surprised...albeit this is short. A bit cheesy albeit.

 

Is it really a surprise that status is attractive to women, and physically attractiveness more attractive to men? not really, but did you know it could dramatically have an influence on your sex appeal and how others choose you as a mate? maybe or maybe not, the "hot guy" didn't do too well with a little income tweaking.

 

 

Second link is basically how others always choose the most attractive mate at first in a social setting, and how we kind of pick up on our own attractiveness scale...we try to obviously score the highest mate then work our way down. This one is a bit more scientific and more explained/detailed.

 

The Science of Sex Appeal (Part 3) - YouTube

 

This link has to do more with what body type as well as the face in general and what attracts the opposite sex to each other...eventually kind of backs up the ladies here a bit because they dislike being scrutinized over having less than ideal body frames...but there's also more to it than that of course.

 

The Science of Sex Appeal (Part 2) - YouTube

 

Finally cause the chances of you clicking on all these links or just choosing one I'll post a fourth one...women in relationships are more flirtatious and send out more sexual vibes then their fellow single women...ever wondered why you got hit on more when in a relationship? Well it's your fault!

 

According to how we work, we're wired to stray from our relationships. So does love survive?

The Science of Sex Appeal (Part 8) - YouTube

 

Personally I thought it was a good series, I still remember it from years ago, so although it's a little rough around the edges It's interesting nonetheless.

 

I'm the type of person that doesn't form judgments just based off personal experience, like many others tend to do and what is really just natural...If If you want to have the most realistic perspective, you're going to have to consider all sources..what men and women both have to say, what science says, and what cannot be explained so you can get a better idea of the big picture.

 

A lot of these genders wars that materialize on LS are in large part of not wanting to really hear or understand what the other gender is trying to say. In many cases It takes an open-mind, non-judgmental bias, and an ability to hold back your emotional impulses based on personal experience that conform your ideals and expectations so much.

 

Men have to be sympathetic and compassion towards women and their struggles and not blame women as a whole for their issues.

 

Women have to do the same and realize that even though your own struggles always feel more prominent than someone elses, in particular men...they are merely different, and from any persons perspective your own struggle feels just as real and prominent as anyone elses...just like how you cannot often relate to what you cannot feel...men cannot often relate to what they cannot understand.

 

It's also important to understand that not all people are the same, they can have significantly different values, so always take everything you see on TV whether scientific or not with a grain of salt, but with that being said...you can't often argue with human nature when it comes to some things.

[yongyong]

summarize please

[kaylan]

I still dont buy status much, unless its to do with certain women trying to secure a guy for settling down and taking care of them. (aka use his cash)

 

In terms of sheer sexual response, I see good looking males do the best with women. Notice I said raw sexual response, not who a girl picks for husband and long term guy.

[kaylan]

PS - these testers need to actually go to bars and clubs and see what happens.

 

What people say in surveys isnt how they behave in real life all the time.

 

Remember how we always say, watch what people do, not what they say. Actions over words.

[Eternal Sunshine]

I still dont buy status much, unless its to do with certain women trying to secure a guy for settling down and taking care of them. (aka use his cash)

 

In terms of sheer sexual response, I see good looking males do the best with women. Notice I said raw sexual response, not who a girl picks for husband and long term guy.

 

I don't need a guy to take care of me financially but I find myself attracted to status. It somehow makes me respect the guy more.

 

Women's sexual attraction doesn't work like men's. They rarely see a guy and get very strong urge to f.. him. It's more about how they perceive him overall and that sparks sexual attraction too. It's a bit tricky to explain but it has nothing to do with consciously settling.

[kaylan]

I don't need a guy to take care of me financially but I find myself attracted to status. It somehow makes me respect the guy more.

In todays world, men and women will respect status more, and will be attracted to it depending on the person.

 

Me and my guy friends are educated guys in our 20s...some with post grad degrees, and we are super impressed by and def respect a chick with some status (good job, degree, etc). As a business graduate who values a girls mind as much as her body, Im super turned on by business chicks and lawyers tbh.

 

However, in regards to raw sexual attraction, I dont see status increasing it the way physical appeal and personality does. Just saying, from watching men and women, the more physically attractive people with good personalities seem to be the ones who get most of the chicks or dudes.

 

But think of this...guys wanting a hot chick isnt simply about her hotness. Guys like a variety of women...and sexiness is quite subjective. The reason many dudes chase the typical hot girl though, is STATUS. The hot chick gives them status and a means to show off to other males...chest beating if you will.

 

Ten bucks says that 100 years from now, the West will be quite normalized. Since women are making great strides in becoming financially independent, and since guys are embracing their own physical beauty, I bet we see just as many status chasing males as females. I mean theres already studies (small though) showing chicks with higher earnings care more about their mates looks. When you control for certain sociological factors, women and men are still different from one another, but not as different as everyone thinks

 

 

Women's sexual attraction doesn't work like men's. They rarely see a guy and get very strong urge to f.. him. It's more about how they perceive him overall and that sparks sexual attraction too. It's a bit tricky to explain but it has nothing to do with consciously settling.

Well tbh, Id say part of that has to do with most guys dressing like crap lol. I know female sexual attraction doesnt work the same as mens, but Im not going to pretend I dont see women throwing themselves at the good looking guys with cool personalities. These guys obviously make girls giddy.

 

Respecting status and being attracted to it, doesnt work the same way as getting turned on and ready for sex. In a singles setting like a bar, club, or whatever...I see looks and personality reign supreme. When girls look for a longer term partner, than status plays more of a role. If this wasnt the case, the whole provider husband and sexy side bf deal would have never existed.

 

But again, Im just going on what I see,...how I see women actually behave, despite what some of them say. Ive seen too many women bang dudes who had no status to speak of, all because he got them moist in their undies. I think people overrate status, and that since people overrate so much, people start to believe its more than what it is.

 

I just think its overrated. I think people chase status so they can show off to others if they attain it. Or they chase it for their own selfish needs. Not necessarily because it makes them hot in the pants.

Edited October 6, 2012 by kaylan

[iris219]

I don't need a guy to take care of me financially but I find myself attracted to status. It somehow makes me respect the guy more.

 

Women's sexual attraction doesn't work like men's. They rarely see a guy and get very strong urge to f.. him. It's more about how they perceive him overall and that sparks sexual attraction too. It's a bit tricky to explain but it has nothing to do with consciously settling.

 

I'm glad someone else tried to explain it.

 

 

I just think its overrated. I think people chase status so they can show off to others if they attain it. Or they chase it for their own selfish needs. Not necessarily because it makes them hot in the pants.

 

Kaylan, you don’t buy it because it’s not the way attraction works for you. And trying to cite what women do at clubs is not proof of anything because many women don’t frequent clubs (if at all).

 

Sure some women use men for money, just like some men use women for sex. But some truly do get hot over power and status, hotter than they do over just a hot body (which means very little to most women) or a sense of humor.

[kaylan]

Kaylan, you don’t buy it because it’s not the way attraction works for you. And trying to cite what women do at clubs is not proof of anything because many women don’t frequent clubs (if at all).

Wrong.

 

I dont buy it because of how I see women behave. Its not based on how attraction works for me, but how I see women become attracted to certain types of men. Understand that part.

 

And its not just bars or clubs. Its parks, schools, streets, coffeehouses, etc. Its friends, acquaintances, strangers, etc. When it comes to settle down, status matters to women, and to more men in current times.

 

When it comes to simple raw sexual attraction, looks and personality are main factors. Raw sexual energy...who turns you on...again this is why the provider husband and sexy side bf idea exists. Because it happens quite a bit with married men and women.

Sure some women use men for money, just like some men use women for sex. But some truly do get hot over power and status, hotter than they do over just a hot body (which means very little to most women).

Money doesnt equate to sex. People need to stop that. Because women use men for sex too.

 

And lol @ a hot body meaning little to most women. Last I checked the guys getting laid the most had the most empirically attractive bodies. Last I checked, the guys women swoon over the most and post most pics about in their facebook feeds have hot bodies. Last I checked, guys in lead movies and media aimed at women have the bodies women do like.

 

So spare me the denial. You may want to tell us that women care little about looks, or that status is the same as looks...but it isnt. It doesnt create the same raw sexual urge in most women. If it did, the sexiest guys in the world would be the dudes with the most money and status....but no...the guys who get women the wettest also happen to be physically attractive, and arent the most powerful guys iin the world.

 

I could bet you all the money in the world bill gates isnt turning on a majority of women (if at all), the way my model friend would. Or hell, I know I could turn on more women then him with any sample of women, and hes infinitely more powerful and has more status than I ever will.

Edited October 6, 2012 by kaylan

[kaylan]

And Id bet my life on the fact that given the choice, every single one of the women whove ever slept with Donald Trump, would choose me over him if given the choice over a man to have hot sex with for an evening haha. xD

 

Im talking raw animal biology here. Not silly social constructs about "status".

[kaylan]

Wrong.

 

That's just your wishful thinking.

 

It's obvious from your post that you wish women were sexual and get "wet" by good looking attractive guys. And get their "raw sexual energy" going by hot guys. And so forth.

 

Truth is most women are pretty indifferent to all that stuff. They don't have sex on their minds every day as us men do. They just don't think about that stuff all that often.

 

You overestimate the sexuality of women.

Youre kidding if you think women never use men for sex. Hells its happened to me.

 

And I definitely dont overestimate female sexuality. Maybe you should talk to a guy whos dated women in their 30s and 40s during their sexual peak. Those guys have great stories.

 

You need to get some young chick friends who are open with you about things. Because Ive seen girls swoon and loose their words checking out a sexy guy. Ive had girls decide they wanted to hook up with a friend of mine after seeing his body.

 

I dont think Im overestimating a thing.

No, most women would choose sitting at home reading a book or watching a movie with some friends than have sex with any of you(or any guy at all for that matter).

Oh I get it now. Youre trolling and arent serious. Carry on

[iris219]

Wrong.

 

I dont buy it because of how I see women behave. Its not based on how attraction works for me, but how I see women become attracted to certain types of men. Understand that part.

 

And its not just bars or clubs. Its parks, schools, streets, coffeehouses, etc. Its friends, acquaintances, strangers, etc. When it comes to settle down, status matters to women, and to more men in current times.

 

When it comes to simple raw sexual attraction, looks and personality are main factors. Raw sexual energy...who turns you on...again this is why the provider husband and sexy side bf idea exists. Because it happens quite a bit with married men and women.

 

Money doesnt equate to sex. People need to stop that. Because women use men for sex too.

 

And lol @ a hot body meaning little to most women. Last I checked the guys getting laid the most had the most empirically attractive bodies. Last I checked, the guys women swoon over the most and post most pics about in their facebook feeds have hot bodies. Last I checked, guys in lead movies and media aimed at women have the bodies women do like.

 

So spare me the denial

 

The only point I've been trying to make is there isn't just one way of sparking that raw sexual energy that you speak of. People feel it differently, for different reasons. And one way isn't "better" or "right."

[kaylan]

^If number 3 is good sex with a guy they really like, I think most women would choose 3 =P

[oaks]

I see that waynebrady is back.

[kaylan]

I don't need a guy to take care of me financially but I find myself attracted to status. It somehow makes me respect the guy more.

Women's sexual attraction doesn't work like men's. They rarely see a guy and get very strong urge to f.. him. It's more about how they perceive him overall and that sparks sexual attraction too. It's a bit tricky to explain but it has nothing to do with consciously settling.

Your mid 20s male model fling thread from a while back doesnt seem much different behavior or reaction than a guy in his 30s who landed a young hot female model.

 

Just saying =P

[yongyong]

Here is the honest comment by a typical woman (except the part 'I don't need a guy to take care of me financially')

 

That's why guys don't have to be attractive (in terms of his looks not his bank account) as he gets older.

 

It's a lot easier to bang a woman when you are superior than her. that makes their pussy wet. they develop this urge 'oh I need to f-ck him'

It's bit different than guy's desire. we just want to f-ck things looking pretty.

If she doesn't feel inferior by your presence, well she won't put out.

 

Men want to bang a hot woman above his league.

Women want to bang a man above her league in terms of status.

I don't know which gender is more shallow but this is pretty general rest of the world.

 

 

 

 

I don't need a guy to take care of me financially but I find myself attracted to status. It somehow makes me respect the guy more.

 

Women's sexual attraction doesn't work like men's. They rarely see a guy and get very strong urge to f.. him. It's more about how they perceive him overall and that sparks sexual attraction too. It's a bit tricky to explain but it has nothing to do with consciously settling.

[yongyong]

[A lot of these genders wars that materialize on LS are in large part of not wanting to really hear or understand what the other gender is trying to say]

 

We all know how Money and Looks play in dating. I mean who didn't know about this?

 

To be honest, a lot of women are retards here. Every time I talk about general rules(women care about financial security. men care about looks), they just want to deny it and keeps talking about 'It's about personality personality personality'

 

They 'think' they have a good personality by their own standard.

Do we (men and women) give a f-ck if all they can offer is a 'good personality'?

[ThaWholigan]

I watched this series, it was very interesting. I have a slightly different take on how sexuality works, but a lot of the stuff on this show was on the money. I don't think all people are entirely turned on by the same things - that includes looks. A lot of people are, but sexual attraction is a weird thing, especially regarding individuals.

[FitChick]

I thought I would just watch one link but wound up clicking all the way through and watching them all. Fascinating! The lovable losers of Love Shack need to watch and learn.

 

I was a bit surprised that the women in relationships showed a higher tendency to cheat.

 

I was heartened that you can have long lasting love it seems by keeping your partner from being bored. That seems a bit like common sense but so many fall into a rut.

 

If you want to know if he or she loves you, get a brain scan. Better than a lie detector test!

[ThaWholigan]

I thought I would just watch one link but wound up clicking all the way through and watching them all. Fascinating! The lovable losers of Love Shack need to watch and learn.

 

I was a bit surprised that the women in relationships showed a higher tendency to cheat.

 

I was heartened that you can have long lasting love it seems by keeping your partner from being bored. That seems a bit like common sense but so many fall into a rut.

 

If you want to know if he or she loves you, get a brain scan. Better than a lie detector test!

I don't think they should watch it actually - they will use it to prove why women are shallow/they can't get laid/etc etc......

[Ninjainpajamas]

I don't think they should watch it actually - they will use it to prove why women are shallow/they can't get laid/etc etc......

 

In some cases yes, particularly the first link.

 

However the "hot guy" which every unsuccessful guy on LS would say is the end and the beginning of attracting women and they themselves are doing poorly because of lack of.

 

The hot guy throughout the video continuously did poorly in some of the main attraction test with other women due to some slight tweaking, something that I think the majority of men would deny.

 

The problem with a lot of guys on the forum is they spend more time being bitter and complaining that it just takes them farther away from getting what they actually want.

 

It's kind of the equivalent to a woman who does poorly with men and always coincidentally chooses the wrong guys but constantly blames men as a whole for it. She never notices she goes for the same type of guys or goes about it the same way.

 

The bottom line is many people never feel they are the reason for their own problems, they always have to blame someone or something else. When honestly they are the main problem and in many ways exacerbating and even creating their own challenges and obstacles, I've seen many people do this in my experience and they dictated their own success and failure by premeditating it. It's not always your "fault" and there are some things that truly hold people back, but I can assure you being bitter and self-defeating about it never seemed to help anyone.

 

As for Kaylan, your replies are unfortunately very narrow and based off a very limited amount of experience and perspective, this is in large part due to your youth...you're only going based off what you've experienced yourself and through your friends. A woman's attracted to many different things, their attraction is dynamic and at times ever changing...unlike men who always have physical attraction at number one. You can radically change a woman's perspective and attraction level to you by exposing more qualities and traits, where as with men they basically have you pegged and you've got little wiggle room unless you're phenomenal to break that restricted area.

 

However as you get older you'll realize just like women not wanting to be with the hot guy anymore, some men don't want to just be with the hottest girl anymore, especially when it comes to settling down and having kids.

 

For sex men choose just about anything, but for marriage it's a whole other deal, you'll notice that men are ok with FWB, dating, and relationships but always errr from the M word because that's like going to a baseball stadium to watch football for men...men will also forfeit attractiveness for qualities in women that show more stability, reliability, faithfulness, independence/self-sufficient, trust, how they are with children, IF they can cook, how they take care of you, because this is a woman you're going to be around all the time...she can't be the dumb broad you screwed in college or the bar wench that was borderline retarded and had nothing else to say or offer because you could care less (not every man is this way but you get the point, it's a lower level of expectations) and was otherwise completely uninteresting but was super hot, some of them just become dead weight and more of a liability than anything else because they're almost as bad and dependent as the kids, you have to tell how to do everything! I've seen it plenty of times with men who have married these type of women, they are frustrated and disappointed because it's like working two jobs...when it comes to settling down, men also look for a different type of woman than one they'd pick up at a bar, IF they would even desire picking her up there in the first place.

 

Kalyan, ask your friends what type of girl they would marry versus just take home for the night next time you go out, and ask them what's the difference for your own knowledge. Do they even have marriage on their mind? does that just ruin the whole "game" now?

[kaylan]

^But what you just said is something Ive always said to people. I dont believe in this idea that men and women are vastly different when it comes to mate selection. If anything, men only differ in the "getting sex" aspect of mate selection because, by and large, women have more options. The guys with more option, in my experiences, arent apt to sleeping with just anyone, and can have some tough standards.

 

When you control for certain situations, men and women dont behave much differently in my view. Men and women will stop caring about how hot someone is when it comes to LTRs and marriage. Of course other traits will become important, like you said. I was never one to push the idea that some guys do on this site...the idea that even for a wife, guys only care about mostly looks really.

 

But when it comes to straight sex, both men and women want the hottest they can get. And in these cases I see women act just as one dimensional about getting laid, as I do see men doing it. And I see this with all the people I know ranging from ages 20 to 35. Sure most of my friends are around my age....but I still see similar behaviors in people depending on what they are looking for in a mate. (LTR vs hooking up)

Edited October 8, 2012 by kaylan