CaptJay Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 What is the reason height is preferred biologically? What benefits does it hold? Apparently, taller males have an evolutionary advantage with respect to increased fertility and healthier offspring. However, unless this is programmed on the sub-conscious level, I don't see how women would know that. Also, height can connote strength and power. Again, just from googling this - not my own personal beliefs on the matter. cj
somedude81 Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Here is what I do notice: Most every single guy on here who does poorly with women has a victim mentality--he feels that his lack of success with women is due to something completely beyond his control. It's either because he is short, not good-looking, or he doesn't have money. What is sad is that almost always, you just can't convince these guys that this isn't true. I do wonder if these guys WANT to believe that their lack of success with women is due to their height or looks, that way they won't have to take any responsibility for changing. So tell me. How come every single girl I have been interested in since I was 13 has rejected me? So far that's about 20 girls that I have liked and knew them. There were about 10 other girls that didn't know that well, who have also rejected me. Right now, I'm about 0 for 30. Very few girls have ever been interested in me. I know of three girls in my entire life that have liked me, and they were all obese. At once point I was so desperate for anything, I dated one of them and that lasted two weeks then she moved onto somebody else. I've tried lots of ways to improve myself, but it has never been good enough.
silicone Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Apparently, taller males have an evolutionary advantage with respect to increased fertility and healthier offspring. However, unless this is programmed on the sub-conscious level, I don't see how women would know that. Also, height can connote strength and power. Again, just from googling this - not my own personal beliefs on the matter. cj I don't believe the first "advantage" - actually can you point me to study which says this? Second of that, tall is just a word - it's above average, so there's always going to be short, so either way, we're exponentially going to be looking for things as the subconscious level... and well that's not exactly effective or efficient either. Height can connot strength and power - I believe that this is social.
stillafool Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 The girl is always on the heavy side. And she is never really anything special as far as face goes either. I normally see alot of short men with really pretty petite women. I just saw an adorable couple today. He was short and goodlooking and she was shorter and really goodlooking.
silicone Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 What's your weight? How does your face look? How much do you earn? If you're above single digit body fat, then you have a lot of room to improve in that category. have you posted your photo here? I personally think facial attractiveness>height. If you have any obvious deformities, don't consider yourself above cosmetic surgery. You should also invest in a very good pair of lifts and not just a 1" insole. If all else fails, you can bang escorts a few times/year. Getting down to single digit body fat isn't easy - but it could attract the wrong attention as well. Nothing you've said there is what I'd recommend to a young man of short stature.
CaptJay Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 I don't believe the first "advantage" - actually can you point me to study which says this? Second of that, tall is just a word - it's above average, so there's always going to be short, so either way, we're exponentially going to be looking for things as the subconscious level... and well that's not exactly effective or efficient either. Height can connot strength and power - I believe that this is social. I'm skeptical about the "advantage" as well, and I agree with your point that height is relative. So, unless there is some innate sense of average height programmed into to us, I don't know how one determines who is "too short" or "too tall." On a purely academic-only point, it might be (but I don't necessarily agree) social evolution that elevates strength and power to some sort of advantage. My point here is that something can be "social" and "evolutionary" at the same time, in certain cases. I found a few studies on this, and while they boast statistical significance, my gut tells me that they are anecdotal at best: A Curvilinear Effect of Height on Reproductive Success in Human Males: A curvilinear effect of height on reproductive success in human males The Role of Height, Gender, and Self-Awareness in Character Perception: Who Benefits? https://gustavus.edu/psychology/files/Anderson.pdf Height, Relationship Satisfaction, Jealousy, and Mate Retention http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep07477489.pdf
2.50 a gallon Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Somedude You are 2 inches taller than me. I once was in the same room as Mr. Hefner, close enough to notice that he was the same height as myself and therefore also shorter than you. Another short guy who did well with the ladies. I believe previously suggested that you should look into learning to dance. How are the lessons coming? 1
silicone Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 I'm skeptical about the "advantage" as well, and I agree with your point that height is relative. So, unless there is some innate sense of average height programmed into to us, I don't know how one determines who is "too short" or "too tall." On a purely academic-only point, it might be (but I don't necessarily agree) social evolution that elevates strength and power to some sort of advantage. My point here is that something can be "social" and "evolutionary" at the same time, in certain cases. I found a few studies on this, and while they boast statistical significance, my gut tells me that they are anecdotal at best: A Curvilinear Effect of Height on Reproductive Success in Human Males: A curvilinear effect of height on reproductive success in human males The Role of Height, Gender, and Self-Awareness in Character Perception: Who Benefits? https://gustavus.edu/psychology/files/Anderson.pdf Height, Relationship Satisfaction, Jealousy, and Mate Retention http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep07477489.pdf One problem with these studies and results - we both know that height plays a part in attractiveness - so they are by default more attractive and of course, will have more offspring. Reproductive success, in one respect won, but is also not won.
CaptJay Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 One problem with these studies and results - we both know that height plays a part in attractiveness - so they are by default more attractive and of course, will have more offspring. Reproductive success, in one respect won, but is also not won. Yup, one of the reasons I'm skeptical about them. A perfect "chicken or the egg" scenario where correlation, not necessarily causation, is at work.
silicone Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Yup, one of the reasons I'm skeptical about them. A perfect "chicken or the egg" scenario where correlation, not necessarily causation, is at work. I'm seeing so many height threads where on different forums, but I've created my own one on a separate forum as it has caused social anxiety, and I need to get rid of that.
CaptJay Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 I'm seeing so many height threads where on different forums, but I've created my own one on a separate forum as it has caused social anxiety, and I need to get rid of that. Social anxiety is very real and painful - the fact that you've recognized that it is an issue and one that you want to work on is a very good sign of being able to work through it.
silicone Posted October 1, 2012 Posted October 1, 2012 Social anxiety is very real and painful - the fact that you've recognized that it is an issue and one that you want to work on is a very good sign of being able to work through it. It's been a really rough few months - it peaked when I overdosed on ephedrine, which didn't do anything at all, apart from keep me awake for the night. A friend flew down from New York after I told him how bad things were.
Avulare Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) I've been avoiding replying to height threads on here so far (and I've been lurking for a long time), but as a woman who unashamedly prefers taller men, let me chime in. I'm 5'4", which is either average or 1" below average height for women in the US, depending on which source you're looking at. But my height is pretty irrelevant, since tall women shouldn't be forced to partner with tall men, and short women shouldn't be forced to partner with short men. Everyone has their preferences. For me, I think there are two main reasons why I prefer taller men - and notice that I'm not giving an exact height, because my height tolerance range varies depending on the individual guy! That is, if he's pretty much perfect in other other ways, that'll make up somewhat for a lack of height. First, all of the men in my family are tall. My father was 6'4", my brother is 6'5", and all of my uncles and male cousins are over 6' as well. So because I was primarily around tall men growing up, height was just seen as another normal characteristic of maleness, like growing facial hair or having a deeper voice. So because height was so deeply-ingrained in my mind as a masculine characteristic found in all the men I spent the most time around my whole life, as an adult looking for a romantic partner, I tend to gravitate toward taller men because height is an essential feature of my personal concept (not everyone's concept!) of masculinity. When I see men who are quite short, I subconsciously just don't consider them to be very masculine and hence not very attractive as a sexual partner. As alternate examples, I feel the same way about men with feminine voices and those who aren't capable of growing facial hair. They're just lacking important masculine features to me. Second, and I know this is cliche and the reason for a preference for tall partners that people love to hate, but in dangerous situations I do feel safer when I'm with tall, solidly-built men. I'm not just saying this because it's what everyone says, I'm saying it because I've had situations where I genuinely felt unsafe or afraid, and having a large male companion would have made me feel safer. Here's my most recent anecdote about this (I have several) from just a few months ago... I was in another state visiting a platonic male friend, who happens to be 6'3" and all muscle due to a very physically strenuous job (note that I'm not sexually attracted to him at all, so it's a lot more than height that matters). Anyway, he drove me back to my motel room after a long day, and as I was unloading some of my expensive photography equipment from his car and bringing it into my room, several drunk rednecks a few rooms over saw me and immediately began making lewd comments and verbal threats of a sexual nature. When my friend saw what was going on, he got out of his car and faced the group of rednecks and gave them the nastiest stare I've ever seen from him, and the rednecks immediately averted their eyes and shut up - they took one look at him and knew he could have taken down their whole group if necessary. After that my friend walked with me while I unloaded the rest of my stuff until we said goodbye and I locked my motel room. Does anyone think the group of rednecks would have had the same response had my friend been 5'0" and 90 lbs? My instinct says probably not. But at the end of the day, there's no real "cutoff" between too short and an adequate height... It varies depending on the man. And you guys have to understand that I'm not choosing to be attracted to taller men, it's just something that is, without any conscious input. It's instinctive and visceral for me. This is why it doesn't make any sense for shorter men to get angry at women for having a preference for taller men, because at the end of the day, it's not something we choose consciously (at least I don't and neither do any other women I've talked to). I can meet a guy who I get along with great and have a ton of respect for, but if he doesn't have characteristics that I consider sexually desirable (could be height or something else), the fact of the matter is that he's not going to make my vagina wet and I won't want to have sex with him. Sorry to put it so crudely, but that's what it comes down to. And it goes both ways too... I naturally have very small breasts (A-cup), and I'm surrounded by pictures of celebrities and models with huge breasts (in comparison to mine anyway) and constantly hear men talk about how they love a nice pair of boobs. Well I don't have that and I never will. But as tough as it is sometimes, I don't fault men for being attracted to larger breasts because it's not something they choose. You show them some round, bouncing tits, and they'll just get a boner without consciously thinking "I greatly prefer that pair of round, bouncing tits over some tiny ones". That's the way it is with what makes women get wet and horny too. Luckily for me (and for all you shorter men) is that people have variable preferences! There are some men who will tolerate (maybe even prefer) my small breasts, and there some women who will tolerate (maybe even prefer) your height. But don't get mad at those who don't prefer your phenotype, it's not something they're choosing to do intentionally. Edited October 2, 2012 by Avulare
silicone Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) I can't do much with this thread. Even as the poster above suggest, shorter men are inferior by default. With all due respect, no woman wants a feminine man, and most women if not all associate height with masculinity. Whatever way you try to whitewash it, the truth is still there. However, you still confirm that this is conditioned to you, yet I can guarantee that this offers no condolence to those who require it. No one is angry with women for having their preferences, mostly, but with those who are shallow about things. I'm only 5'2" and about 112lbs, but I can become pretty intimidating at times - I know this because of the tone of my voice and people know that I don't take crap from people. I don't think anyone of any height would be able to protect you from a gun. My only reconcile is that taller people are easier targets to shoot, and I am more agile than them. Edited October 2, 2012 by silicone
Author O'farrell Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 Does anyone think the group of rednecks would have had the same response had my friend been 5'0" and 90 lbs? My instinct says probably not. Its all about ratios. A 5'7 163 pound male would be just as hard to take down as a 216 pound 6'3 man. Or, if you want to get mechanical here, going for the long legs of a 6'3 male in a fight would take him to the ground while the short guy would have the advantage here. Or lets make it even simpler, it can be harder to take down a light person vs a heavy person because the heavy person's weight will be a huge disadvantage. But none of this means anything if those drunken idiots and your friend don't actually know what they are doing in a fight.
Avulare Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 The rednecks were all fat (this was in the deep South, that's normal there). I dunno how that would affect a fight other than that they would be slower but maybe harder to knock down.
Anela Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 The girl is always on the heavy side. And she is never really anything special as far as face goes either. 1) They must be reasonably happy, otherwise they wouldn't be with them. 2) At least they aren't on here, complaining about how nobody will give them the time of day, because they're short, when in reality, they DO have women who are attracted to them, and would go out with them.
jobaba Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 The women's breasts versus height is not a good comparison. I am a boob guy if there ever was one. All the porn I watch has women with big boobs. But I have never dated women with big boobs. It's not a dealbreaker for me. Not even close... In my effort to be more positive and upbeat, I'll contribute something to this thread. I'm even shorter than 'normal short' at 5'5" and none of the women I have dated have been fat. In fact, two were quite slim. As far as face, it's subjective I suppose. Also... 1) One of the women who hangs in my extended circles who I ALWAYS have thought was cute and has dated around has a new boyfriend and he is my height or shorter. She is fit, slim, cute, and a successful lawyer. 2) A guy I used to work with posts on Facebook often. He posted a photo a few months ago with a girl I thought was really cute, so cute I checked out all her photos. Well, they are dating now, and he is DEFINITELY shorter than me. An inch or two. AND ... he was dating another woman right before that who wasn't bad either. Yes, it's harder for short guys. Make it happen. And DO NOT open threads on short men.
verhrzn Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 1) They must be reasonably happy, otherwise they wouldn't be with them. 2) At least they aren't on here, complaining about how nobody will give them the time of day, because they're short, when in reality, they DO have women who are attracted to them, and would go out with them. Yeah but only chubby/fat women, who obviously don't count as actual women. Seriously, us fatties just really need to die already, so short guys aren't forced to date us....
Author O'farrell Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 The rednecks were all fat (this was in the deep South, that's normal there). I dunno how that would affect a fight other than that they would be slower but maybe harder to knock down. No it doesn't matter. What I was trying to point out was that if it had turned into a physical confrontation, your friend's size advantage would have been been as effective as the drunk guy's fear of it. Being big doesn't make anyone harder or easier to take down; in other words his height advantage when it came down to it would not have made him a better protector.
madjac74 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Its all about ratios. A 5'7 163 pound male would be just as hard to take down as a 216 pound 6'3 man. Whatever helps you feel better about your stature. Just please don't pick a fight with a 6'3 216 lb man
Author O'farrell Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 Whatever helps you feel better about your stature. Just please don't pick a fight with a 6'3 216 lb man My only problem with my stature is that women don't like it. I don't actually care beyond that. Assuming that the bigger guy will win the fight just shows that you have probably never gotten into a fight in your life lol. My best friend in high school was this 6'3/6'4 black kid cut like DIAMONDS. He wasn't heavy by any means in fact he was Very light. But he attended a boxing class for the entire duration of high school and I would win sometimes when we fought. It was about 50/50. He took his class but I was a rougher guy. And I had a friend who was a lot rougher than me (and shorter) and I never even saw him lose a fight;he would also fight serious fights against people he did not know-he was a gangbanger .(and yes he fought 6 footers)
madjac74 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 My only problem with my stature is that women don't like it. I don't actually care beyond that. Assuming that the bigger guy will win the fight just shows that you have probably never gotten into a fight in your life lol. My best friend in high school was this 6'3/6'4 black kid cut like DIAMONDS. He wasn't heavy by any means in fact he was Very light. But he attended a boxing class for the entire duration of high school and I would win sometimes when we fought. It was about 50/50. He took his class but I was a rougher guy. And I had a friend who was a lot rougher than me (and shorter) and I never even saw him lose a fight;he would also fight serious fights against people he did not know-he was a gangbanger .(and yes he fought 6 footers) OF, Ive never been in a fight and it is mostly because level heads prevailed and I have very big friends. I actually don't even want to get in a fight. Does it make you feel better to be tough? 1
Author O'farrell Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 OF, Ive never been in a fight and it is mostly because level heads prevailed and I have very big friends. I actually don't even want to get in a fight. Does it make you feel better to be tough? not what i was going for Don't talk about things when you have no idea what you're talking about.
SmileFace Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 I really don't ever sit down and think...Oh he can protect me from the other cave man. Like seriously that "he can protect me" is crap. If I want protection I will get a gun. It is the norm for a guy to be taller that is why people do it. Haha, but how normal is it for the norm to be normal anyway? Like really. If you are short get over it - it isn't something you can fix for less than $34,000. Stop complaining about it and live FFS.
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