PUA how effective is it?

[yongyong]

Are you asking questions before signing up for $3k bootcamp? if that's the case, I would say no.

 

It's the same as how you can make more friends, lead people, make people like you etc.

 

There is no 'secret' to this. Things they say will just make sense. I am sure people are not dumb enough just to follow everything they say. you can read and will find the things that will work with your situation.

 

I like this blog girlchase.com (I didn't buy anything. by just reading his blog, I was able to point out what I was doing wrong)

 

Listen to guys on youtube like adam lyons, brent smith. they don't talk about B.S strategy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay... You have a better idea? And what's wrong with asking questions?

[Imported]

I like this blog girlchase.com (I didn't buy anything. by just reading his blog, I was able to point out what I was doing wrong)

 

 

Been reading that blog for a while, very useful (girlschase.com) and all the stuff I read was free. I think I am going to donate some money though because, they deserve it.

 

Women tend to like me when they see me. I am not a "PUA" and for the most part don't do "PUA"ish things other than what I have been doing before I even knew what "PUA" is. I think asking how effective "PUA" is is too general. Lots of people think different things and it all falls under "PUA" to most people. Some of it is useful and very commen sense like. Some of it is just stupid and usually what people that think badly of "PUA" like to point to.

 

To me, not being bitter is just commen sense. But I think lots of posters on this site, it's a complete mystery to them

 

Most Important Thing to Becoming a Lover of Women? Don't Be Bitter. | Girls Chase

 

I think I have appeared bitter here before and it is something I feel and deal with in life, but I do recognize it. Being positive...and I don't mean like a Disney character or a pretend "nice guy"....is how I try to approach everything, including women. I think it is far more effective than being a bitter complainer.

[BS76]

Are you asking questions before signing up for $3k bootcamp?

 

Who still charges that much? I thought prices have come down considerably in the last few years to the $500-1000 range?

 

 

Listen to guys on youtube like adam lyons, brent smith. they don't talk about B.S strategy

 

I'll vouch for Adam Lyons. Dude knows what he's talking about. Also, a word of warning about hero worship. After many years in the community I've seen a lot of guys fall victim to hero worship of their favorite PUA gurus. And yes I was guilty of this myself once upon a time. One of the things I had to disabuse myself of was the notion that these guys are better than anyone else in the community. What I've realized through personal experience and by virtue of enduring in the community as long as I have is that a lot of them are just really good at self-promoting.

 

My advice for those seeking mentors and for someone to look up to is to look at the women the "gurus" are having relationships with. If they're so damn good at what they do then they should be having the pick of the litter in terms of looks and personality. Some of the "gurus" many would regard at being the best in the business aren't actually so when you look at the women they involve themselves with. I won't name names, but off the top of my head I can think of 3 top-level well known guys in the community that have average or butterface significant others that completely betrays their supposed level of mastery of getting the women of their dreams. That, or their idea of what's good looking is wildly different from what most would consider attractive.

[verhrzn]

I just don't see why guys lacking in confidence and social skills can't just find girls who are on their similar wave length. There are plenty of socially awkward women in the variou nerd communities. Why do guys have to buy into all of this complicated "game" nonsense when there are girls out there who would already like them for who they are?

[yongyong]

I would tell this 300lbs female mammal, 'why do you even work out? find someone like you'?

 

 

I just don't see why guys lacking in confidence and social skills can't just find girls who are on their similar wave length. There are plenty of socially awkward women in the variou nerd communities. Why do guys have to buy into all of this complicated "game" nonsense when there are girls out there who would already like them for who they are?

[verhrzn]

I would tell this 300lbs female mammal, 'why do you even work out? find someone like you'?

 

Even guys who are like me won't date me, because they are using PUA to chase after the hot cheerleaders. It's pretty twisted to see guys complaining about how an 8 won't give them the time of day, when they are ignoring all the girls on their own level.

[insertnamehere]

You are seriously underestimating the savvy of the types of guys who flock to PUA. Most of them are quite fluent in Internet. That's the path most often taken by guys who are curious about PUA and/or improving their skills with women. Just like no one really buys CDs anymore, only a select few are paying for ebooks or attending seminars.

 

Bear in mind piracy almost single-handedly ruined modern music. Modern music is now driven by clubs who pay royalties and preteens who don't know how to DL.

 

My point? The paying market determines the material. The paying customers for PUA are the ones the material is aimed at. The ones who actually show up for bootcamps and seminars and who actually pay for the ebooks, the sales pitch is made for them.

 

Your argument is no argument at all. It doesn't speak to the business model.

[GirlontheLam]

I think it all depends on your goal. There is a tiny sliver of truth in PUA techniques in my eyes. I guess the question is, do you use it for good or evil? One of the big benefits of PUA techniques, is that it teaches men to be a bit more direct. I can think of plenty of situations that would have turned out a lot differently (guys that were friend-zoned if you will) that would have turned out a different way if they sent me some really clear indicators they were interested.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of this new found directness manifests itself with an end goal with getting us women into bed as fast as possible. Some women will fall for it, others won't but the real question is, is everyone in the situation being honest with themselves about their intentions.

 

I've been running into a lot of men lately employing PUA techniques to unwantedly aggressive levels, but I wouldn't mind a bit more aggressiveness from the types I am more interested in.