PUA how effective is it?

[Necris]

I was just wondering for those with PUA experience or knowledge in their techniques personally how effective is it to you?

 

I only know a little about PUA techniques some of them I find questionable like negging (subtly taking down a woman's self-esteem to make her more vulnerable to your advances).

[MrCastle]

I think if used in moderation, it can be quite effective. I've taken bits and pieces here and there and have used it successfully. I don't do negging so much as indifference. Negging, if done wrong (most men do it wrong) comes off as insecure and trying too hard; but ignoring a girl, being apathetic, is extremely effective. At least in my experience. Just look at some of the threads here started by women. They never complain about their bfs or romantic interests caring *too* much, they complain about not getting enough attention. How can I get this guy to notice me, etc etc. Because the guys that overkill it with the compliments and ego stroking have been friendzoned. The ones the girls want are the guys that are indifferent. At least that's been my experience. Save the "only low quality women fall for stuff like that" talk. It works on most women. Unless you're going to call most women low quality. Then again, wanting what you can't have is something both genders do. We always fall for the ones that we have to work for, and usually ignore those that make it super easy for us.

 

The other element I do a lot is no contact which, I mean, is more common sense to me than anything. If a girl isn't giving you the attention/signs of interest you feel you deserve, you cut ties. That's just common sense in my opinion because I don't do the friendzone thing. So either we're dating/hooking up or we're not communicating. Life is too short to spend on people who don't want to sleep with you.

 

All in all, like anything in life, the material taught by pick up artists and how people use it is completely individual. Some use it to become sociopathic ego maniacs who only want to see how many girls they can pump and dump, and then brag about. They put their self worth into how many women they can bed. Others are just using bits and pieces to avoid rejection/friendzoning, etc etc. It really depends on the individual and what they plan to use the knowledge for.

[TheBigQuestion]

I think if used in moderation, it can be quite effective. I've taken bits and pieces here and there and have used it successfully. I don't do negging so much as indifference. Negging, if done wrong (most men do it wrong) comes off as insecure and trying too hard; but ignoring a girl, being apathetic, is extremely effective. At least in my experience. Just look at some of the threads here started by women. They never complain about their bfs or romantic interests caring *too* much, they complain about not getting enough attention. How can I get this guy to notice me, etc etc. Because the guys that overkill it with the compliments and ego stroking have been friendzoned. The ones the girls want are the guys that are indifferent. At least that's been my experience. Save the "only low quality women fall for stuff like that" talk. It works on most women. Unless you're going to call most women low quality. Then again, wanting what you can't have is something both genders do. We always fall for the ones that we have to work for, and usually ignore those that make it super easy for us.

 

The other element I do a lot is no contact which, I mean, is more common sense to me than anything. If a girl isn't giving you the attention/signs of interest you feel you deserve, you cut ties. That's just common sense in my opinion because I don't do the friendzone thing. So either we're dating/hooking up or we're not communicating. Life is too short to spend on people who don't want to sleep with you.

 

All in all, like anything in life, the material taught by pick up artists and how people use it is completely individual. Some use it to become sociopathic ego maniacs who only want to see how many girls they can pump and dump, and then brag about. They put their self worth into how many women they can bed. Others are just using bits and pieces to avoid rejection/friendzoning, etc etc. It really depends on the individual and what they plan to use the knowledge for.

 

This is about as balanced and reasonable an evaluation of the merits of PUA as one could desire. Most women who post here will disagree with you completely, however. A lot of women feel quite threatened by the prospect that there are PUA methods that actually DO work. The overall effectiveness of PUA is pretty widely known, although there are obviously lots of charlatans who teach nonsense and charge thousands for "boot camps."

 

The primary defense mechanism women employ is saying that "it only works on low quality women," which is total hogwash. In the initial phases of attraction, most women respond to a fairly predictable and (relatively) narrow range of male behavior. Another defense mechanism they employ is to say that most or all PUA ideologies are "misogynistic" by nature, which is usually just a meaningless buzz word employed by people which really means "I don't like the fact that this person does not agree with some aspect of the current status quo of gender relations, so I must shut him out of the conversation by insulting him."

 

OP, I say read it, try it out, and see if you get any results. Don't be dissuaded by people who have never tried PUA and/or who have an ax to grind with the entire movement. Most women who criticize have rarely actually read more than one author/guru and still think it's all about negging and funny clothes.

[MrCastle]

This is about as balanced and reasonable an evaluation of the merits of PUA as one could desire. Most women who post here will disagree with you completely, however. A lot of women feel quite threatened by the prospect that there are PUA methods that actually DO work. The overall effectiveness of PUA is pretty widely known, although there are obviously lots of charlatans who teach nonsense and charge thousands for "boot camps."

 

The primary defense mechanism women employ is saying that "it only works on low quality women," which is total hogwash. In the initial phases of attraction, most women respond to a fairly predictable and (relatively) narrow range of male behavior. Another defense mechanism they employ is to say that most or all PUA ideologies are "misogynistic" by nature, which is usually just a meaningless buzz word employed by people which really means "I don't like the fact that this person does not agree with some aspect of the current status quo of gender relations, so I must shut him out of the conversation by insulting him."

 

OP, I say read it, try it out, and see if you get any results. Don't be dissuaded by people who have never tried PUA and/or who have an ax to grind with the entire movement. Most women who criticize have rarely actually read more than one author/guru and still think it's all about negging and funny clothes.

 

Yup, pretty much.

 

I think it's best to pick and choose, do a trial and error sort of thing and see what works for you. Tailor it to your personality. There is no doubt some guys out there are trying to sell you dreams and make a quick buck but there is also a lot of useful information out there.

 

Some of the things it's taught me:

 

-behavioral patterns of different types of women, from attention whores, girls with personality disorders, girls with princess syndrome, etc so you can 1.) choose to avoid girls who fit these negative molds or 2.) craft a game plan that can land such women. I choose the former. I use my knowledge to avoid women that give off the bad news vibe. Some men may disregard their negative behavior and just try and go for the lay. Again; how you choose to use the material is up to you.

 

-techniques to maximize interest. whether push/pull, mystery game, cocky and funny, etc. There are so many different ones, and girls out there who respond to each one.

 

Above all, it's taught me to be a man more than anything else. I really don't try to "game" women per se. I live my life, I try to be as interesting and charming as possible, and if a woman is interested, I'll give her a go. If she rejects my advances, she's dropped. Again, life is too short to spend wasting time on girls that won't go out with you. You only get one life, go after what you want and don't accept anything less. Don't accept consolation prizes. Some guys think the friendzone is better than nothing. It's not. Have dignity, and self respect. Realize you can tell a girl "no" if you disagree with her. Don't be afraid to be a man.

 

And like you said, women can disagree all they want but the fact remains most of them respond to the techniques taught in the pua world.

[TheBigQuestion]

I'm not going to say that game doesn't exist but please understand that the people who write pua ebooks are more clueless than the average guy.

 

 

Some of the best pu gurus of our time:

 

 

Furthermore, I'm planning on trolling rsd virgins by writing a pua ebook myself.

 

I've read many different PUA writings and manuals, used them sparingly in life, and never had to pay for any of them. Most of the information that's actually useful is free, but if you really feel a need to read something that costs money, it's not hard to pirate it.

[ThaWholigan]

I've read many different PUA writings and manuals, used them sparingly in life, and never had to pay for any of them. Most of the information that's actually useful is free, but if you really feel a need to read something that costs money, it's not hard to pirate it.

Exactly. I've never paid for any of the PUA material I've read or watched . I have lots of material on the subject. Most of it is garbage, but there is some serious gold to be found in it, most I have used to my benefit - without having to do anything morally questionable.

 

One poster likened it to Jeet Kune Do - taking what you need as an individual and discarding what you don't need. I never did negs or any of that sh*t. I learned subtle things like conversational skills, body language, and some things outside of PUA in conjunction i.e. emotional intelligence.

[verhrzn]

It depends on what you want, and it depends on your personality.

 

If you want sex, then sure, it probably works, because if you hit on enough girls you'll eventually get a bullseye. But if you want a relationship, it will not work, because a relationship only grows based on honesty and compatibility. Unless you are naturally a "player," you are faking who you are to get a chance at a girl. Eventually that facade has to come down, and then she probably won't like what she actually sees (because you lied about your personality to get with her.)

 

Also, using PUA techniques will probably turn off the very girls who WOULD be compatible with you. I love introverted, intellectual nerds, and despise PUA techniques. If a guy acts indifferently to me, if he negs me, if he teased me or doesn't pay any attention to me, I flee the scene. So, here I am, someone who IS compatible with a guy who is a little "needy," and he is driving me away by not being himself.

[TheBigQuestion]

It depends on what you want, and it depends on your personality.

 

If you want sex, then sure, it probably works, because if you hit on enough girls you'll eventually get a bullseye. But if you want a relationship, it will not work, because a relationship only grows based on honesty and compatibility. Unless you are naturally a "player," you are faking who you are to get a chance at a girl. Eventually that facade has to come down, and then she probably won't like what she actually sees (because you lied about your personality to get with her.)

 

Also, using PUA techniques will probably turn off the very girls who WOULD be compatible with you. I love introverted, intellectual nerds, and despise PUA techniques. If a guy acts indifferently to me, if he negs me, if he teased me or doesn't pay any attention to me, I flee the scene. So, here I am, someone who IS compatible with a guy who is a little "needy," and he is driving me away by not being himself.

 

PUA does not entail creating some whole new personality for yourself. I'm not sure where anyone ever got this idea. It certainly doesn't come from actually reading it. PUA is not inherently deceptive or dishonest. It's a means of facilitating the IMMEDIATE attraction. Where you take it after the first few "dates"/makeout sessions/sex sleepovers is entirely up to the guy, and largely out of the purview of most traditional PUA. But it certainly helps people get their foot in the door for both NSA sex AND long-term relationships. There are enough people on enough message boards all over the internet to demonstrate that what I'm saying is true.

 

In some ways, PUA is the male equivalent of the female cosmetics and fashion industries. In early stages of attraction, they serve much the same purpose. Are you implying that the second I see a woman in sweats, frizzy hair, no makeup, and wearing flip-flops instead of heels, I should run for the hills? PUA is no more "fake" than the image portrayed by a woman who indulges in fashion and cosmetics to make herself more attractive on the first few dates.

[ThaWholigan]

PUA does not entail creating some whole new personality for yourself. I'm not sure where anyone ever got this idea. It certainly doesn't come from actually reading it. PUA is not inherently deceptive or dishonest. It's a means of facilitating the IMMEDIATE attraction. Where you take it after the first few "dates"/makeout sessions/sex sleepovers is entirely up to the guy, and largely out of the purview of most traditional PUA. But it certainly helps people get their foot in the door for both NSA sex AND long-term relationships. There are enough people on enough message boards all over the internet to demonstrate that what I'm saying is true.

 

In some ways, PUA is the male equivalent of the female cosmetics and fashion industries. In early stages of attraction, they serve much the same purpose. Are you implying that the second I see a woman in sweats, frizzy hair, no makeup, and wearing flip-flops instead of heels, I should run for the hills? PUA is no more "fake" than the image portrayed by a woman who indulges in fashion and cosmetics to make herself more attractive on the first few dates.

Equally, for all the flaws in PUA - it is largely amoral on it's own. It depends on the individual. Amazing that people still think that all PUA is Mystery Method and negs and all-out teasing. That's just the dicks who don't know how to do it - or they are insecure guys.

[todreaminblue]

It depends on what you want, and it depends on your personality.

 

If you want sex, then sure, it probably works, because if you hit on enough girls you'll eventually get a bullseye. But if you want a relationship, it will not work, because a relationship only grows based on honesty and compatibility. Unless you are naturally a "player," you are faking who you are to get a chance at a girl. Eventually that facade has to come down, and then she probably won't like what she actually sees (because you lied about your personality to get with her.)

 

Also, using PUA techniques will probably turn off the very girls who WOULD be compatible with you. I love introverted, intellectual nerds, and despise PUA techniques. If a guy acts indifferently to me, if he negs me, if he teased me or doesn't pay any attention to me, I flee the scene. So, here I am, someone who IS compatible with a guy who is a little "needy," and he is driving me away by not being himself.

 

 

I was a game player a long time ago, different life, different path..... not by choice but by circumstance.I hated it.It was not who I was

 

 

I dont understand how a guy, if he likes a girl, couldn't just say that.

In the past I have gone out with men after they have let their feelings be known to me...basically if a guy asks me out on a date I have hardly ever said no.....only if it wasn't right for me to date.......I got to know them a little better and then i went out with them, not all of them but the ones who i was compatible with.

 

Once i have feelings for someone no matter how scared I am(because it is actually rare for me to develop an attraction)

 

I have always followed through, even after i have rejected them I wasn't ready at the time.....I will try even though the chance of me getting rejected in revenge is higher.......I am honest.......

 

negging is damaging....I didn't even know what it was until i had to google it after reading it on here.....after reading what negging was I realize guys have been playing games with me for years.......

 

Im over it........I don't live that way anymore....I don't want to be played by a guy nor do i think i should play with a guy.

 

I friend zone guys....for their own peace of mind.......that way they can get to know me......I have dated from my friend zone.....and i have gone out with guys in my friend zone.I am unlikely to date someone who doesn't get to know me.....

 

 

if you can't be my friend you cant be my lover.What you said about being dishonest is true.....I would rather know the guy and have the truth from the start......I cant actually pick who is playing games thought i could,

 

I dont want to read several thousand manuals on how to recognize the neggers and the gamers.....find out which game they play and learn it so i am aware of what o rhow I should play with them.....what happened to a game of t ball in the park with a heap of kids and some fun....dont think i am suitable material for gamers....

 

 

probably why I am single i dated game players........turns me off dating all together.....i purchased a how to get your ex back guide......and i read it .....i think it was key in what really turned me off getting my ex back.....and the realization it was not anything other than sex.....

 

T ball in the park smiling kids and some laughs at awesome hits.......that's the only game i want to play ...love should be something to be savored, built upon truth and cherished not played the pua doesnt compare to t ball in the park with an honest and loving man who expresses what he feels...the awesome hits.....well they make me smile....so do the wild kids having fun......deb

[oldshirt]

I've read quite a bit of PUA materials and watched a lot of their youtube videos etc but have never went to any of the boot camps or bought any of the $200 ebooks or DVD sets etc.

 

I'm a little backwards as I am middle-aged, married and left the dating scene behind almost 20 years ago. I became involved in the swinging lifestyle and needed a little more info and strategy on attracting women after being in a traditional marriage for over 10 years.

 

My assesment is a lot of it is crap and some of it is gold brought down from the mountain. The challenge is sifting through the crap to find the gold.

 

What I think is gold is that what women are sexually attracted to and what they respond to sexually is often 180 degrees different than what women and society SAY they like. In otherwords people often say one thing in the hypothetical and then do the complete opposite in real-world practice

 

Example ask a woman what she wants in a man and she'll say someone that is a good decent person who is respectful and responsible and treats her with dignity and respect and who is good with kids and is stable and makes a good living and helps old ladies cross the street and puts baby birds back in their nest and who takes the time to get to know her and to be in an exclusive relationship blah blah blah and then she bangs a biker in the bathroom of a bar that she met 20 minutes earlier while the guy that she described to a "T" is sitting squarely in the friendzone and the thought of even kissing him turns her stomach.

 

The difference is the biker pushed her sexual buttons with his masculine initiative while the nice guy makes a perfect girlfriend and makes her feel comforted with his asexuality.

 

As I was raised up to not make women feel threatened or uncomfortable with sexuality, it took me quite a bit of deprograming to learn to let my natural masculine instincts come out and take that initiative and be assertive with my sexuality.

 

The first time that I had wild monkey sex with someone within 45 minutes of meeting them and had had oral sex with someone else literally within 10 minutes of meeting earlier in the evening, I became a believer.

 

The best part is there were a lot of things that improved my maritial sexlife as well by just understanding some of the things that make women more sexually attracted and responsive as well.

 

But again, a lot of it is crap and just marketing hype to try to sell grossely overpriced products to little nerdlettes that just need to swallow hard, wipe the sweat off their palms and walk up and say hi to woman and just start talking to her and getting to know her.

[robaday]

I find it incredible when I hear women complain, or have such anger over this genre. Cosmopolitan, romance novels, and most womens magazines are full of literature on how to keep a man happy or attract him. Then finally men stumble on this stuff and theres uproar.

 

PUA a lot of the time isnt for your average guy. Its often for guys who cannot even talk to women, some who are in their forties and have never even kissed a woman. Those people dont have the confidence/life skills that other people have and are suffering immensely for it......for some, this kind of stuff helps them overcome major life problems by building their confidence and self esteem.

 

I agree with others that there is a lot of rubbish out there. But anyone who has ever approached two really attractive women in a club will have experienced serious negging even when theyre attracted to you. Women have been doing **** tests since time began.....men are just catching up with it

[verhrzn]

I find it incredible when I hear women complain, or have such anger over this genre. Cosmopolitan, romance novels, and most womens magazines are full of literature on how to keep a man happy or attract him. Then finally men stumble on this stuff and theres uproar.

 

PUA a lot of the time isnt for your average guy. Its often for guys who cannot even talk to women, some who are in their forties and have never even kissed a woman. Those people dont have the confidence/life skills that other people have and are suffering immensely for it......for some, this kind of stuff helps them overcome major life problems by building their confidence and self esteem.

 

I agree with others that there is a lot of rubbish out there. But anyone who has ever approached two really attractive women in a club will have experienced serious negging even when theyre attracted to you. Women have been doing **** tests since time began.....men are just catching up with it

 

SOME women read Cosmo, and play games. So all you're doing is creating games on both sides. Where's the material to teach guys to find women who are like them.... not into games, not into social manipulation? Why teach guys how to get the women who were just putting them through tests anyway? How about seeking out women who don't bother with tests?

[robaday]

What I learnt through it wasnt games at all. What I learnt was that it reinforced the fact that I am EQUAL to women, and should never put someone on a pedestal.

 

That is all. Its about being two adults on an equal level. Me, and Im sure a lot of guys got into after a severe break up. The causes of which were my neediness, dependency and insecurity, among others. I worshipped that girl, she was my everything and I was bordering being obsessed with her.

 

Reading that stuff helped me relate to women on an equal level. Which women (at least most Ive met) prefer anyway. There is obviously some stuff there thats dubious morally, but my key learning was simply to respect myself, have decent boundaries, and realise that I have the opportunity to "choose" the women I date, rather than settle for the only person who chooses me.....

 

I actually agree with you about the games part. But I look at PUA from a different perspective.

[yongyong]

You sound like a fat person asking for bunch of methods.

'is p90 good for weight loss?

'is greet tea diet good for weight loss?'

'is hydroxy cut good for weight loss?'

 

You expect to read some book, go out later that night and think chicks will go gaga for you? (like fat person lying on ab machines thinking it will get rid of their fat belly)

[insertnamehere]

PUA is like communism. There are some ideas there worth listening to and there's definitely a vocabulary that can be applied, but taking the whole thing is a dangerously stupid idea.

 

There are two big issues I see with PUA stuff.

 

1. A lot of it is selling a lie that men want to hear. That lie is that there's a paint-by-numbers solution to getting the girl.

 

2. PUA can get waaaay too ideological, especially in promoting gender warfare.

 

The first issue isn't a big issue, simply because most guys looking for the paint-by-numbers answer are so socially retarded that almost anything that pushes them out into the mating market is a good thing.

 

The second issue . . . ouch. That's where the really damaged stuff in PUA starts poking its head out. Frankly, I've never understood why hating women is considered so integral to wanting to **** many women.

 

Really, it isn't. But, a lot of the PUA stuff is downright revenge fantasy. It's about showing all those bitches that didn't give your nice guy act the credit you felt you deserved.

 

I just don't see the value in a lot of the spiteful stuff. And there's a lot of spiteful PUA material out there.

[insertnamehere]

I used to post a lot at RSD nation

 

Another problem with PUA is that it is infested with places like RSD. That forum is littered with idiots who apparently learned English for Korean gamers on XBox live. How else do you explain that their default response to any well-meaning question is to berate the questioner as a "faggot"?

 

Thing I hate about PUA is that at times they ignore the importance of looks and all that jazz, and will tell guys with no style and no grooming to just approach women which is a RECIPE for disaster.

 

All marketed ideas are, at their core, just lies being told to people who want to hear them. A lot of PUA is selling to guys who want an easy answer. And running five miles every day and lifting weights isn't an easy sales pitch. So, the issue of looks tends to either get thrown overboard or just given lip service in PUA.

[TheBigQuestion]

 

1. A lot of it is selling a lie that men want to hear. That lie is that there's a paint-by-numbers solution to getting the girl.

 

 

Bullsh*t. Nearly every PUA system requires AT LEAST a year, if not more, of developing what they call both "inner" and "outer" game. Very few PUAs say that their methods are anything near foolproof. Some even openly advertise their success rate (i.e. percentage of women with whom they sleep out of the total amount of women they meet) to something around 1 out of 10. Are some PUA methods of questionable value? Sure. But almost none of them are a quick fix. They pretty much all require the reader to do a LOT of work. In most cases, lifting weights and running five miles a day is less of a time commitment than most PUA programs.

 

I don't even use PUA, but I'm frankly tired of how misinformation about the movements is so freely propagated on LoveShack.

Edited October 1, 2012 by TheBigQuestion

[insertnamehere]

Bullsh*t. Nearly every PUA system requires AT LEAST a year, if not more, of developing what they call both "inner" and "outer" game.

 

I said "paint by numbers". Painting by numbers does entail labor.

 

Frankly, a lot PUA's business model is old school multi-level marketing. Any good MLM scam wants to keep the rube on the hamster wheel as long as possible. My biggest objection to PUA is that the business model is mostly about gaming the guys into buying ebooks and going to seminars. Then you get the diehards to buy-in as "coaches".

 

I ought to also add that something that requires serious effort is not mutually exclusive with something that is conceptually easy. I mean, hell, the notion of churning butter is easy. That doesn't make churning butter easy. It's a pain.

 

The guys who form the customer base of PUA aren't lacking for elbow grease. But, that doesn't mean they aren't looking for something conceptually easy to apply.

 

Plus, "advertising success rates" is meaningless in an unregulated industry. The most common criticism of PUAs is that they're lying and/or staging field stuff. It's a valid criticism. There is no credible way to quantify outcomes. And that leaves an opening for fraudulent people to peddle their wares. And they do.

Edited October 1, 2012 by insertnamehere

[robaday]

what counts as success in that 1 out of 10, out of interest? is that in terms of getting a phone number? first date? or actually having sex?

 

Im just interested as Im newly single and relatively new to the game, I can approach pretty easy and hold down conversation, hell I can even tell that some of the girls are into me/at least enjoying the interaction, but Im lacking that next step.....getting the number, or taking her home

[TheBigQuestion]

I said "paint by numbers". Painting by numbers does entail labor.

 

Frankly, a lot PUA's business model is old school multi-level marketing. Any good MLM scam wants to keep the rube on the hamster wheel as long as possible. My biggest objection to PUA is that the business model is mostly about gaming the guys into buying ebooks and going to seminars. Then you get the diehards to buy-in as "coaches".

 

 

The guys who form the customer base of PUA aren't lacking for elbow grease. But, that doesn't mean they aren't looking for something conceptually easy to apply.

/QUOTE]

 

Or, like most people who use the internet, these guys pirate the e-books and correspond with other PUAs for free on websites like SoSuave. You are seriously underestimating the savvy of the types of guys who flock to PUA. Most of them are quite fluent in Internet. That's the path most often taken by guys who are curious about PUA and/or improving their skills with women. Just like no one really buys CDs anymore, only a select few are paying for ebooks or attending seminars.

[BS76]

I was just wondering for those with PUA experience or knowledge in their techniques personally how effective is it to you?

 

I only know a little about PUA techniques some of them I find questionable like negging (subtly taking down a woman's self-esteem to make her more vulnerable to your advances).

 

Depends on how you look at it. If you only ape the stuff they teach, you'll only get limited success. If you apply the training to yourself from the perspective of holistic self-improvement, a skilling up of your social skills, then you can have outstanding success. For example, here's a bit I wrote about Approach Anxiety men usually face when they want to approach a woman they find interesting:

 

Approach Anxiety (AA) is a combination of fear of rejection and stage freight. The #1 fear American's have isn't of dying, it's of giving a speech in public. Well, guess what you're doing when you're doing cold approach? That's right, it's public speaking, just with highly focused subject matter towards a given audience, in this case it's women you find attractive.

 

So how do we go about mitigating AA? First, you've got to approach over and over. The more you do it the more acclimated you'll become to the nervous feelings associated with the stage freight aspect. Second, you'll need some positive reinforcement to build up your confidence. This is where structured approach comes into play. With a well structured approach you can up your odds of having positive outcomes which in turn builds confidence over the long run. Granted this is a subject for another thread all together.

 

Anyway, over time once you have your confidence and are somewhat acclimated to the nervous energy that comes with approaching strangers, you can take off the training wheels and see how things go naturally. Once you've accomplished this self-improvement it's not uncommon to find things that didn't work in the past to actually go in your favor now. That's the difference having confidence in your own ability and being comfortable in your own skin can make.

[Necris]

You sound like a fat person asking for bunch of methods.

'is p90 good for weight loss?

'is greet tea diet good for weight loss?'

'is hydroxy cut good for weight loss?'

 

You expect to read some book, go out later that night and think chicks will go gaga for you? (like fat person lying on ab machines thinking it will get rid of their fat belly)

 

Okay... You have a better idea? And what's wrong with asking questions?

Edited October 1, 2012 by Necris

[robaday]

exactly, im not sure what his point is - you study books to learn stuff in pretty much every single field of study there is - science, philosophy, politics, economics, history.....why wouldnt it be the same with human interaction?

[musemaj11]

PUA is an effective manipulation method if done right. No one can deny it. But much of it involves avoiding being yourself. So if your aim is short term gain then its perfect. But if its long term then it depends on if you are the kinda person who doesnt mind being someone else forever.