knowledge14811 Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 This is from Oshi the guru. I like him some don't. "Don’t sacrifice today for any tomorrow because tomorrow exists not. Don’t try to make your love permanent in any way because love is not plastic, it cannot be permanent. It is like a rose flower: it opens in the morning and in the evening the petals disappear. Tomorrow there will be another rose and the day after tomorrow, another rose. Roses will go on coming, but there is no need to cling to this rose. That is stupidity. If you cling to this rose you may destroy even the possibility of another rose coming on your rose bush tomorrow, because you will be constantly pouring your energy around that which is no more. It is really sad to see people when their love dies and they go on clinging — very sad — because now nothing can come out of it any more, but they go on hoping against all hope. It is a sheer wastage of energy. But we have been taught for centuries that love is permanent if it is real — and that is nonsense. If it is real it cannot be permanent. If it is unreal maybe it can be permanent. Reality is momentary, it changes, it is a constant flux. You cannot step in the same river twice. It is a river, constantly moving. A lover has to be aware of this dynamic process of life, so he loves but he is not worried about the past or the future. If the next moment the flower is still flowering, the perfume is still there, good. If it has gone, then say goodbye and move, with no complaint, with no grudge, with no anger, with no sadness, because once you understand the nature of life you will not have any of these problems. And then love goes on growing in you. Lovers may change but the river of love goes on becoming bigger and bigger. Or they may not change. I am not saying to change them, I am simply saying if it changes, accept it with joy. If it does not change, accept that too with joy. That is non-attachment, that is love without attachment. Whatsoever happens one is blissful about it, one is thankful for it, one is always grateful for it. Then slowly slowly love is no more a relationship, it becomes a state of your being — you are simply love. And that is how it should be. When one is love, one is god." "Love is not attachment. Love is not possessiveness. When love becomes possessive and love becomes attachment it is no more love; it is simply a corpse. The bird has flown; now you are only carrying an empty cage, howsoever decorated. It may be golden, studded with diamonds, but the bird is no more there, the song is no more there." Good luck ! 3
Jono85 Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 This is from Oshi the guru. I like him some don't. "Don’t sacrifice today for any tomorrow because tomorrow exists not. Don’t try to make your love permanent in any way because love is not plastic, it cannot be permanent. It is like a rose flower: it opens in the morning and in the evening the petals disappear. Tomorrow there will be another rose and the day after tomorrow, another rose. Roses will go on coming, but there is no need to cling to this rose. That is stupidity. If you cling to this rose you may destroy even the possibility of another rose coming on your rose bush tomorrow, because you will be constantly pouring your energy around that which is no more. It is really sad to see people when their love dies and they go on clinging — very sad — because now nothing can come out of it any more, but they go on hoping against all hope. It is a sheer wastage of energy. But we have been taught for centuries that love is permanent if it is real — and that is nonsense. If it is real it cannot be permanent. If it is unreal maybe it can be permanent. Reality is momentary, it changes, it is a constant flux. You cannot step in the same river twice. It is a river, constantly moving. A lover has to be aware of this dynamic process of life, so he loves but he is not worried about the past or the future. If the next moment the flower is still flowering, the perfume is still there, good. If it has gone, then say goodbye and move, with no complaint, with no grudge, with no anger, with no sadness, because once you understand the nature of life you will not have any of these problems. And then love goes on growing in you. Lovers may change but the river of love goes on becoming bigger and bigger. Or they may not change. I am not saying to change them, I am simply saying if it changes, accept it with joy. If it does not change, accept that too with joy. That is non-attachment, that is love without attachment. Whatsoever happens one is blissful about it, one is thankful for it, one is always grateful for it. Then slowly slowly love is no more a relationship, it becomes a state of your being — you are simply love. And that is how it should be. When one is love, one is god." "Love is not attachment. Love is not possessiveness. When love becomes possessive and love becomes attachment it is no more love; it is simply a corpse. The bird has flown; now you are only carrying an empty cage, howsoever decorated. It may be golden, studded with diamonds, but the bird is no more there, the song is no more there." Good luck ! this sounds nearly identical to the message in the book The Power of Now, by Eckert Tolle. IMO, this seems like an impossible mindset for humans to get into. Hate to be pessimistic, but I just can't see how humans can live life as a robot, and be IN every moment. memories are REAL. THAT is realtity. so are worries, and thoughts. also very REAL. so to just shut them all off, and always be living in the moment, and appreciating/loving every second of it, even when someone rejects you, it seems impossible. I dunno, i think i need to re-read that book, b/c there were a lot of great points. and I don't think it necessarily said u cannot stress, or reflect, but it may help to minimize it. i just find it much harder in reality to act out. 1
TheDovic Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 Could you possibly mean Osho, as this seems like an extract from his book "Love, Freedom, Aloneness." Fantastic book by the way and can really help people to look at the end of a relationship in a very positive light! This extract is really helpful but what it doesn't tell people is HOW to detach from relationships. I might say I'm going to become a doctor but without learning how to be one nobody is going to give me a degree! The answer, which Osho can tell you is mindfulness meditation. But don't take my word for it, go and type it into Google and look at the research into it. Mindfulness has been clinically proven to change the shape and activity of the brain by 100s of medical researchers. These brain changes show how mindfulness eliminates stress, anxiety, depression, rumination and has been proven to make people feel happier regardless of their circumstances. I know a lot of people who have just read what I have written have just said "I can't meditate because I can't clear my mind of thoughts." I can assure you meditation NOT ABOUT CLEARING YOUR MIND. In fact it is the opposite. This could be the most important thing you ever learn so maybe spend ten minutes reading about it! 1
TheDovic Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 this seems like an impossible mindset for humans to get into. I can understand why you think this is impossible, but read my other post on this thread. You can then choose to accept what I have written or not, but it has been proven that you CAN be in this mindset. Research has actually shown how you can as soon as 8 weeks of 20 minutes per day of meditation. It is this practice which has encouraged Osho to write such things as he (like other meditators) have achieved it. I promise you, give it a go for a week and see the difference it makes. 1
Mint Sauce Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 so marriage, i.e. the act of making it permanent, is stupid? and how does having kids fit into this view on love? love IS attachment I couldn't disagree more with this Osho guy
TheDovic Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 so marriage, i.e. the act of making it permanent, is stupid? and how does having kids fit into this view on love? love IS attachment I couldn't disagree more with this Osho guy I think you may have missed the point. What he is saying is that some things change and some don't, but you can learn to accept either. From reading some of Osho's work he is a huge advocate of love, but he believes people do not have to suffer to the extent they do when this ends.
Calico Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 What he is saying is that some things change and some don't, but you can learn to accept either. From reading some of Osho's work he is a huge advocate of love, but he believes people do not have to suffer to the extent they do when this ends. Osho, better known as Bhagwan, was however a hypocrite who didn't practice what he preached. He was rolling in money, had a dozen of Rolls Royce cars, while advocating detachment from material goods. The "message" is the same as in many philosophies/religions, especially Buddhism: Nothing is permanent and the only reality is the present moment. If you try to "cling" to a desired, specific state of a situation and want to make it permanent, you set yourself up for pain because nothing in life or nature is permanent. Everything is birthed and dies. Feelings are no exception. People rarely live "now" and instead spend all their time dwelling on the past or fretting about the future, endlessly hoping and regretting and never actually living. Relationships are often considered "good" only if they last. If they don't, it was "bad", nevermind that the time of their duration may have offered many beautiful moments that lose none of their value and preciousness only because they were not "forever". Likewise, when the honeymoon feelings disappear, people are disappointed and feel they are no longer in love and instead search for a new partner to experience this magical time again, hoping and firmly believing that this time around it will last. It never will. The "point" of Bhagwan's message is simply that life is a lot less stressful and painful if you enjoy the "now" and don't stop clinging to the concept of permanence, because nothing lasts, ourselves included. A different way of saying that is that "letting go" and allowing life to happen is more relaxing and yields better results in terms of happiness than wasting one's time on trying to manipulate and control situations (or people) in the futile attempts to keep things at their maximum, most beautiful, most happy, most satisfying climax. Not going to happen, and trying to causes suffering (as most of us here experience quite intensely). Easier on the paper than in practice, of course. But worthwhile to at least sometimes work toward to and embrace the concept (and value) of impermanence. 1
Author knowledge14811 Posted September 29, 2012 Author Posted September 29, 2012 Osho, better known as Bhagwan, was however a hypocrite who didn't practice what he preached. He was rolling in money, had a dozen of Rolls Royce cars, while advocating detachment from material goods. The "message" is the same as in many philosophies/religions, especially Buddhism: Nothing is permanent and the only reality is the present moment. If you try to "cling" to a desired, specific state of a situation and want to make it permanent, you set yourself up for pain because nothing in life or nature is permanent. Everything is birthed and dies. Feelings are no exception. People rarely live "now" and instead spend all their time dwelling on the past or fretting about the future, endlessly hoping and regretting and never actually living. Relationships are often considered "good" only if they last. If they don't, it was "bad", nevermind that the time of their duration may have offered many beautiful moments that lose none of their value and preciousness only because they were not "forever". Likewise, when the honeymoon feelings disappear, people are disappointed and feel they are no longer in love and instead search for a new partner to experience this magical time again, hoping and firmly believing that this time around it will last. It never will. The "point" of Bhagwan's message is simply that life is a lot less stressful and painful if you enjoy the "now" and don't stop clinging to the concept of permanence, because nothing lasts, ourselves included. A different way of saying that is that "letting go" and allowing life to happen is more relaxing and yields better results in terms of happiness than wasting one's time on trying to manipulate and control situations (or people) in the futile attempts to keep things at their maximum, most beautiful, most happy, most satisfying climax. Not going to happen, and trying to causes suffering (as most of us here experience quite intensely). Easier on the paper than in practice, of course. But worthwhile to at least sometimes work toward to and embrace the concept (and value) of impermanence. The information osho preached was not original. Everything came from others as far as information.
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