yongyong Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 I love reading American women's comment here. In other threads, they all act pretentious like someone with high morality. (i am not judgmental, I treat people equally, I am not racist etc) Watch what kind of scums come out of their mouth once they are compared to other women in other countries........... Thoughts on dating typical american chick like this?? She must have a great personality since she is obese.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 I think if I moved to Russia, Russian men would give me ponies and diamonds. But here in America, no man gives me ponies or diamonds. What is up with that? 1
oaks Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 Russian women definitely have fewer hangups about dating. I've been dating a woman from Russia recently, and I think that proves it.
FitChick Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 I find that American women have a lot of walls up, they're harder to approach as a stranger, too as opposed to their Foreign counter parts, that's the main thing. Funny, I've had British men tell me the opposite. If anything, they think Americans are a bit too open and friendly.
carhill Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 I haven't personally seen any patterns which support generalities and I've dated two Ukrainian women and one Russian woman, in-country, and had a relationship with the latter, a doctor in the FSU army. My main take-away was that they were more transparent and feminine than the ladies I attempted to date locally and, due to their economy and the male demographic at the time, they found WM's to be attractive, all else being equal. In other words, they were the equivalent of women I could date locally but more compatible in areas that I emphasized. My total time in-country was brief, less than six months, and occurred mostly before getting married to a AW (local lady), so perhaps things have changed. They sure knew how to party during the holidays Overall, I wouldn't infer any substantive general differences. Women are women everywhere. All are unique. I've met/dated some FSU/CIS women here who were no different in commonality or variability from their AW counterparts. They were/are American. My ancestry is from FSU/CIS and I'm very much American. Good luck with your potentials.
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 But, OP - have you actually even dated a Russian or foreign woman yet? How do you know if "they" have hang-ups or not? What exactly do you define as a "dating hang-up"?
SJC2008 Posted September 28, 2012 Posted September 28, 2012 There are certainly cultural differences between American women and Foreign women. This is true for American men and Foreign men too. In general, we tend to be a bit more reserved in America. My Mom has a friend that is British that talked about how when she moved here that American men are not very open. They don't make eye contact or flirt. I know that some men will blame women for this but the fact remains that both American men and American women can be more reserved then our foreign counterparts. Does this mean American men are less loving and valuing of women, wives, families? I don't think so. I don't take issue with you making comparisons of American culture, or American women vs Foreign ones. There is bound to be differences. But I totally disagree with and dislike the idea that Foreign women and culture are holy grails of enlightment where these women love more, value more, care more about the people in their lives. It's wrong. I bet there are American women that have had invested a lot in their work life to build something for themselves. Is this wrong? Of course not. Did they probably have to make certain sacrifices? Possibly. None of us are going to have it all. But I am sure they are happy with their work and have fulfilment in doing something they feel is important. Maybe some of then wouldn't choose to be single. But maybe they don't know how to get a relationship going with a man. Maybe they date and get turned down a lot. Women aren't perfect you know Irc. We are human. We struggle with choices and coming to terms with our lives sometimes. But to say that these women are less loving and caring than Foreign women just isn't right. Also keep in mind that while American women are settling down like they use to, American men don't exactly want to support families on their own (and can't because of the economy) like they once could afford to do. Alot of men aren't exactly looking to settle down at 21. What is a girl suppose to do after she graduates college? Just perform average grade jobs until Prince Charming come along? What if she never meets that man that wants to live the life she wants to live? What if no guy wants her? She is suppse to just work in average jobs? You talk about American women vs Foreign women and who has more heart. Both have a lot of heart and care a lot. We love just as deeply as any other foreign woman does and vice versa. Jsut like you are capable of loving just as deeply as a foreign man. If you like foreign women better, no problem. But don't tell me that I don't care or love as deeply as them. Well that's becasue that man with a degree may not require his girl to have a degree and we all know that if a woman has a degree there's a strong possibility she'll require at least the same level degree as her or higher. Her "prince charming" could be a programmer at a machine shop and make decent to good money or be an electrician or a plumber but she'll never know becasue he doens't have a degree and is written off. I can play the same games as you and only stick up for men on this forum.
Author irc333 Posted September 28, 2012 Author Posted September 28, 2012 Guess I'll take a bit of humble pie here...the 2 women she wanted me to introduce me to had objectives in mind. They were both around 40, and wanting an additional kid in the future. AND a boyfriend/husband to support them BOTH. The woman, who was trying to introduce me to them, is currently in a relationship with a live-in boyfriend that's now supporting HER and her child. I said, "Wow, guess some men are willing to support both, right?" And she said, "If he loves them yes" And I said, "And if you expect me to believe in that, 'they do it because they love you' crap, you got another thing coming" Yikes, talk about bullet dodged, I guess they were looking for some kind of meal ticket.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 Its than not then. And yes, I do agree with you. Men are much more capable than a woman. Having said that, most men never meet their potential cause they fall in love with a woman and whatever she brings. No, I really think it's "then". You are completely using that word incorrectly. And yes, we agree. Men are much more loving individuals. I also agree that it's women's fault that men don't meet their potential for love. We also sometimes burb. We are simply disgusting. Good thing there are men like you in the world to make us see the truth.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 Well that's becasue that man with a degree may not require his girl to have a degree and we all know that if a woman has a degree there's a strong possibility she'll require at least the same level degree as her or higher. Her "prince charming" could be a programmer at a machine shop and make decent to good money or be an electrician or a plumber but she'll never know becasue he doens't have a degree and is written off. I can play the same games as you and only stick up for men on this forum. I'm not playing a game. All I am saying is that we live in a time where women need to take care of themselves. Not everyone gets married at 21 anymore. Men don't even want to support women like they use to. What would you propose women do? Not go to school? Not strive for successful jobs that make them feel accomplished?
carhill Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 Yikes, talk about bullet dodged, I guess they were looking for some kind of meal ticket. This underscores the variability I alluded to in a prior posting. I met one lady like that when in Odessa and my driver clued in right away and pulled me aside and filled me in the best he could with his broken English. OTOH, the rest of the ladies were generous to a fault and didn't interrogate my 'ability to provide' at all. Could it have turned out differently? Sure. Each successive trip was similar. If you're serious, just go spend a month in Russia in a city similar in size to your own and see how it goes. Then you'll have a good overview of the potentials. Why Russia? It still requires a visa and OVIR registration, so not as easy to get to/stay in as Ukraine, and has at least 3 times as many women due to the much greater population. I recommend spring, when the snow melts and the miniskirts come out
Author irc333 Posted September 29, 2012 Author Posted September 29, 2012 OTOH, the rest of the ladies were generous to a fault and didn't interrogate my 'ability to provide' at all. ) Actually, I met a woman online, was a Russian woman, visiting her parents near where I live. Was just on a vacation VISA and apparently her mom helped her put up the dating profile. Her mom was also Russian, like like her husband's 3rd wife. When we were out on a date, we were actually having a good time! Then she said, "Okay, I'm going to ask you some questions that most men seem to take offense too" And I said, "Okay, go ahead." She asked, me "How much money do you make?" And she was right, I was offended...but I politely said, "I'm sorry, but that's none of your concern, esp. since we just met. And gave her tips on how a woman shouldn't ask that question to a man, because it's not her business. Needless to say, I was turned off by it, and though she was cute, I never asked her out again.
traces Posted September 29, 2012 Posted September 29, 2012 I've met a lot of men who have the feeling that their home country (usually America or England) women are inferior to foreign women, but most of them don't seem to really know much at all about their girlfriends/wives. Most of them only spoke English, and relied on the woman and her ability to speak a second language to communicate. It was like they were watching a movie with subtitles-- the subtitles aren't wrong, sure, but they lack the nuance of the original, so you'll never really get the full picture. They filled in the gaps in their knowledge with stereotypes about "that type of woman". I've been the "foreign woman" for men before. They often looked to stereotypes to determine what I was like, rather than getting to know me. I was right there, right next to them, but they had already created a fantasy in their mind of what "that type of woman" was long before they met me. Maybe you're looking for a woman with certain values, but remember, they are not their country. They are people, just like the women in your own homeland, who have needs and desires and dreams. And you need to consider their hearts more than their origins. It isn't a good culture that will provide a good wife, it's a good heart in a good human being.
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