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beenburned Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

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People each have their own moral compass. I don't think religion really matters to help one decide right from wrong.

 

But if you want to go there...it isn't kind to judge others.

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Emilia Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

There is no absolute morality, people's views are different. The trick is to find those whose values are similar to yours. Religious people cheat too by the way.

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

 

Adultery and burglary are two different things? Your moral views are different but not necessarily superior to someone else's. However, we need basic laws to keep society manageable and safe therefore we punish burglars and murderers

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woinlove Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

 

First, I don't know of any state where one's own ethics and morals factor into the application of state laws and I don't think it should. My view is that people can work to change the law if they wish, but need to realize they will be subject to it while the law is in place.

 

Very few people have no rules. Some people openly admit they are selfish and will use other people as desired to satisfy themselves. Others don't openly admit that of themselves, but their behavior is the same. Such people often hurt others.

 

What to do about them? Personally, I try to stay clear of them. When they post here, if there are specific points of interest they make, I will respond. But I often ignore them even on LS. Very selfish people just aren't that interesting to me as it is so easy to understand their choices and why they argue as they do.

 

I don't think religion has that much to do with behavior. Some people who treat others well say their guidance comes from religion. Some people who treat others well are atheists. Similarly, there are both atheists and religious people who treat others very poorly.

 

Sometimes people behave against their own ethical principles and then rationalize in a way which makes it seem that they don't actually hold those principles. In such cases, one typically sees contradictions and internal conflicts in their posts. I think that is the case for a lot of bad behavior. Not all, but a lot.

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Radagast Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

 

Moving from "I don't consider adultery to be a sin" to "I have no rules" is quite a jump!

 

Many of us obey the laws of our country, and our own moral code, even though it may differ from the religious precepts of a particular faith.

 

People who do break the law do face consequences. That's what the criminal justice system is for. Last I heard, however, adultery was not a crime, nor against the law in any country I've ever visited.

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Furious Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

 

 

I'm not very religious, but you don't need to be in order to respect others.

 

I think it's convenient for some people to excuse any behavior they choose to do as long as they get what they want.

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beenburned Established Member

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Radagast,

 

I know you are from a different country where the laws are different.

 

Here in the US, there are still 13 states that are fault states for divorces.

Adultery is one of these faults, and if proven, assets are divided differently, in favor of the betrayed spouse.

 

There are also a few states in which a BS can sue the OW or OM, if they can prove their interference led to the divorce.

 

Also if you can prove the WS spent marital money on the OW/OM, the betrayed spouse gets half of it all back in the divorce.

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Religion doesn't have any bearing on morality, you can be incredibly amoral and religious, and moral and not religious.

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cocorico Established Member

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Radagast,

 

I know you are from a different country where the laws are different.

 

Here in the US, there are still 13 states that are fault states for divorces.

Adultery is one of these faults, and if proven, assets are divided differently, in favor of the betrayed spouse.

 

There are also a few states in which a BS can sue the OW or OM, if they can prove their interference led to the divorce.

 

Also if you can prove the WS spent marital money on the OW/OM, the betrayed spouse gets half of it all back in the divorce.

 

Adultery being grounds for divorce is different from adultery being a crime, or against the law. Irreconcilable differences are also grounds for divorce in most countries, but I've yet to hear of legislation being proposed to outlaw differences...

woinlove Established Member

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Adultery being grounds for divorce is different from adultery being a crime, or against the law. Irreconcilable differences are also grounds for divorce in most countries, but I've yet to hear of legislation being proposed to outlaw differences...

 

I think the point is that in some of those states, adultery can literally cost you millions of dollars compared to divorcing due to irreconcilable differences. The law can dole out major consequences.

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

How, as a general society, do people cope when someone else has no rules?(because their actions directly affect our personal lives):confused:

 

This could also apply to anything in life. When a person's outlook on life is in direct conflict with state laws, should they not still be held accountable for breaking the law?:eek:

 

 

As a general rule applying your moral code to another is a sin .....because you are judging them by your standards.Code of conduct in society in regards to society changes constantly due to the fact that every one has a different code.....the only time you can mesh is if someone doesn't apply their code to you and expect you to fall in line.

 

 

Morals can be passed on and adopted a definite sin is when you try to force or apply your code to another it must be a personal code that you uphold not he code of another, you have to believe it for it to be true

 

.If you go by bible principles and have faith that your code is correct ....the only time you will know for sure, you have been moral in thought(that one is so important, society can tread minds some other being can though) and deed is when its your time to be held accountable.We are not judged by laws of society or societies expectations....there is only one who can judge....and he ain't here yet to judge...

 

 

doesn't matter if people believe that or not or in him or not or that jesus died so we had our sins wiped away....thank god for that one..whether they believe they are part of the flock or not....they still are, whether they like it or not...because he believes in them so they are accountable to him......that's my opinion....and yes i am religious....and i have stuffed up my moral code many times.....but i always believe in what is true and just.....ill answer to the true judge not a societal one as will everyone when it is their time too....deb

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Where directly impacted, crime passionnel is not unheard of and historically has been a solution to such incursions, relevant to infidelity, and defensible legally, at least historically.

 

Generally, when I encounter people who demonstrate a basic lack of respect for societal rules/laws/customs, I seek to avoid them/report them to the proper authorities, dependent upon breach and, if directly threatened, follow the firearm training I received to deal with the threat.

 

As societal rules/laws/customs are always in flux and a moving target, flexibility is a valuable trait to possess. As an example, I could board a plane today and tomorrow be in a place with completely different rules/laws/customs and it's in my best interest to learn to adapt or face the consequences of my unwavering and rigid perspective. I still have a choice, as we all do, but choices have consequences. I got this education as a younger man on a plane ride to Africa where I happened to be seated next to a government official (US government) who was immersed in documents familiarizing him with local customs, laws, culture and politics. He was kind enough to pass them on to me after finishing. I learned a lot of things I had no clue about prior, relevant to the particular country (Zimbabwe) we were traveling to.

 

Relevant to this topic, I personally know a substantial number of people who do not believe emotional affairs are infidelity or cheating. I happen to believe differently. We conflict on that matter, though we may agree on most other matters and are friends. As there is no exigent threat, our disagreement can be processed peacefully. We can agree to disagree or avoid each other if our feelings are strong enough on the matter. So far, I've been able to resolve such differences amicably. We each process things in our own way.

Eve Established Member

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Several people in threads here have said they aren't religious/ don't believe in God, therefore they are not sinning.(when referring to adultery)

 

 

H'mmm.. maybe there is a difference between Law and Justice? I mean, many do not believe that there is any other level to Justice other than the Law of the land.

 

I would say that there are more lawless people around now because the Law is not hard to manipulate.

 

Take care,

Eve x

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Woggle Established Member

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Just because you are not religious does not make it okay to decieve and lie to people. For all the people that cheated how would you feel if you loved somebody enough to trust them and they turned around and used that trust against you?

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First, I don't know of any state where one's own ethics and morals factor into the application of state laws and I don't think it should. My view is that people can work to change the law if they wish, but need to realize they will be subject to it while the law is in place.

 

Very few people have no rules. Some people openly admit they are selfish and will use other people as desired to satisfy themselves. Others don't openly admit that of themselves, but their behavior is the same. Such people often hurt others.

 

What to do about them? Personally, I try to stay clear of them. When they post here, if there are specific points of interest they make, I will respond. But I often ignore them even on LS. Very selfish people just aren't that interesting to me as it is so easy to understand their choices and why they argue as they do.

 

I don't think religion has that much to do with behavior. Some people who treat others well say their guidance comes from religion. Some people who treat others well are atheists. Similarly, there are both atheists and religious people who treat others very poorly.

 

Sometimes people behave against their own ethical principles and then rationalize in a way which makes it seem that they don't actually hold those principles. In such cases, one typically sees contradictions and internal conflicts in their posts. I think that is the case for a lot of bad behavior. Not all, but a lot.

 

This is completely it for me as well. Especially the bolded. I agree with the last part too (oh hell Woe, I agree with the whole thing but this really resonates with me) I'm floored at how people automatically "judge" those that are religious. Not like they ask you to check your brains at the door. However I find I get along with most, even non religious bc as you said kindness doesn't necessarily stem from having any faith as long as people have a general caring of others and seek to bring no harm and instead foster peace, it's all good. :) And most I have to say are like that, I have awesome experiences daily of how people touch each others lives.

 

Brings to mind I think it was MissBee that said don't be so open minded that you're brains fall out! (love that!) Which is exactly what seems to happen from people that ascribe to their OWN moral agenda however fluid that may be as long as their selfish needs are met.

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