Do women take their attractiveness for granted?

[jobaba]

no, I don't know how you tell someone used to be hot.

 

Anyway, will anyone answer my question as to why the PYTs don't want you angry fellas? Is it cause you're too nice?

 

can you post a pic of a woman that you can tell used to be hot but now, in her 30s, is terribly ugly and used up looking? thank you

 

Too extreme.

 

Most women are good up until their 40s. I think at that age, a lot of them can no longer create the lust that gives them so many options.

 

They will still have men interested in them, but it will no longer be a chase after, lots of options on my plate type deal, more of a get to know you, interested in your personality deal.

 

Of course, I realize some women never had that deal to begin with.

[veggirl]

Too extreme.

 

Most women are good up until their 40s. I think at that age, a lot of them can no longer create the lust that gives them so many options.

 

They will still have men interested in them, but it will no longer be a chase after, lots of options on my plate type deal, more of a get to know you, interested in your personality deal.

 

Of course, I realize some women never had that deal to begin with.

 

Right, and I agree with you to a point. TBH I think men in general naturally age better looking than women (though I don't agree they are the Adonises some would claim them to be), but the OP and his agreers are being extreme, and I asked them to show me an example. They act like an attractive woman cracks and falls apart at like 30. It's ridiculous. And even worse, they think she DESERVES it because if she was attractive she must've been a horrific bitch and any single woman at 30 deserves to be a hideous troll. You know, an honest, realistic look at how ALL people age is fine, this BS that is spouted though about how men are so sexy and desirable from 35-death whereas women should basically wear masks and collect cats [ps I love cats] cause they've fallen from the ivory tower is just stupid and ignorant.

[mesmerized]

Welcome to ls, the land of unattractive men who think the world only consists of them and the hot girls who reject them. Sorry to break it to you guys, the real world is nothing like what you dream of in mommy's basement.

[jobaba]

Right, and I agree with you to a point. TBH I think men in general naturally age better looking than women (though I don't agree they are the Adonises some would claim them to be), but the OP and his agreers are being extreme, and I asked them to show me an example. They act like an attractive woman cracks and falls apart at like 30. It's ridiculous. And even worse, they think she DESERVES it because if she was attractive she must've been a horrific bitch and any single woman at 30 deserves to be a hideous troll. You know, an honest, realistic look at how ALL people age is fine, this BS that is spouted though about how men are so sexy and desirable from 35-death whereas women should basically wear masks and collect cats [ps I love cats] cause they've fallen from the ivory tower is just stupid and ignorant.

 

It's more personal bitterness from being passed up.

 

I won't lie and say I haven't thought it. When a woman passes up a guy, she usually has other options because of her youth and attractiveness. And naturally, that guy would like to see nothing better than to see that youth and beauty be taken away from her, so she wouldn't have any other options.

 

In reality though, those women will be physically attractive to men for many years to come.

[insertnamehere]

Anyway, will anyone answer my question as to why the PYTs don't want you angry fellas? Is it cause you're too nice?

 

You're barking up the wrong tree with me. I don't have issues getting women (I have issues keeping them, but, that's a whole other issue to take issue with).

 

can you post a pic of a woman that you can tell used to be hot but now, in her 30s, is terribly ugly and used up looking? thank you

 

"Terribly ugly" was never the terminology I used. "Past her sell-by date" was my choice. Seriously, you're telling me you can't see what might be called the Carrie Fisher Problem among women, huh?

 

Frankly, this is something women refuse to acknowledge. There's a point where women get too old to be on the market. And a fair number of these women get a bit unhinged about it when all the attention dries.

 

They act like an attractive woman cracks and falls apart at like 30. It's ridiculous.

 

I provided a range from 25 to 40. Stop taking my statements and trying to nail them to a set of specifics that favors your reductio ad absurdum argument.

 

You know, an honest, realistic look at how ALL people age is fine, this BS that is spouted though about how men are so sexy and desirable from 35-death whereas women should basically wear masks and collect cats [ps I love cats] cause they've fallen from the ivory tower is just stupid and ignorant.

 

Reductio ad absurdum. Again.

 

Brutal fact is aging is a different deal for men than it is for women.

 

My point was not about the justness of it. My point was that attractive women do typically hit the wall at some point and when they hit the wall that's usually the moment in their lives when they realize how good they had it.

 

The OP's question was about whether attractive women take their attractiveness for granted. The best test of that is before-and-after photos of them hitting the wall. Before they hit the wall, attractive women take their lives for granted. After they hit the wall, most appreciate how good a deal it was. And a handful just flat-out freak the **** out.

 

As a single guy in his mid-30s, I get to interact with a pretty good range of women when I go out. By far, the women who annoy me most are the ones who used to get play and don't anymore. In my experience, they have an entitled attitude and they respond with everything up to full-on anger when they don't get the responses they used to get from men.

 

And, yes, you can tell which ones used to be hot ****. Some of it obvious, visible. Hint: attractive people do get used up and it shows despite their genetics. Some it is in how they comport themselves. A 38 year old woman who was once hot **** acts like a 22 year old who is hot ****. The only difference is that the used up one goes off the deep end when people don't respond to her the way they used to.

[Mme. Chaucer]

My point was that attractive women do typically hit the wall at some point and when they hit the wall that's usually the moment in their lives when they realize how good they had it.

 

 

You are very wrong about women.

 

That only pertains to a very specific and small group of women; those who have always been very vain AND who developed little or no other aspects of themselves besides their attractive appearance.

 

It's not a serious issue for women in general, attractive or not. Most of us are beyond capable of looking at ourselves, maybe feeling sad about our lost youth and sagging boobs, and maybe even getting a face lift. But our self worth is not tied up in how we look.

 

You can take my word for it, even though I'm sure you won't. I am old. I was a very attractive young woman. I NEVER "hit the wall" and think about how good I had it, beyond the old cliche of "youth is wasted on the young," which I believe is a fact and true equally for men and women.

[Janesays]

I find these threads so tedious. As if women are nothing more than cattle men use for masturbation purposes. Shall I open up my mouth for you so you can check to see if my teeth are still good, sir?

 

Personally, I think it's weird that so many men on here don't understand that ALL women are people with feelings and personalities with hopes, dreams, desires....JUST LIKE THEM. Instead they look at us all as if we're nothing but jugs of milk with expiration dates.

 

I hope none of you ever have daughters.

[veggirl]

"Terribly ugly" was never the terminology I used. "Past her sell-by date" was my choice. Seriously, you're telling me you can't see what might be called the Carrie Fisher Problem among women, huh?

 

Carrie Fisher? She was a cute girl, I'm not sure she was ever drop dead. I googled her and found model shots that are touched up and currents. She became overweight as she aged, that sucks. She is also 55 yrs old now, so that's not in your 25-40 age group either. I hope I don't get overweight, I wonder what age that happened to her at. Like I said before, I am grateful for my genes--perhaps they will do me in at some point. Right now I'm 29, 5'8 and 125-130lbs and I don't do anything to be so, that might bite me in the butt at some point I guess.

 

Frankly, this is something women refuse to acknowledge. There's a point where women get too old to be on the market. And a fair number of these women get a bit unhinged about it when all the attention dries.

 

Why are they too old to be "on the market" though? Does that mean a young guy can be "too nerdy" or "too ugly" to be on the market then? Or do only women lose that privilege? Aging happens gradually. Carrie Fisher didn't wake up one morning going from cute to homely. So, I don't think the attention suddenly dries.

 

 

Brutal fact is aging is a different deal for men than it is for women.

 

Sure, and I acknowledged that. but it doesn't mean it is sunshine and sex and money for men.

 

My point was not about the justness of it. My point was that attractive women do typically hit the wall at some point and when they hit the wall that's usually the moment in their lives when they realize how good they had it.

 

And you act like this is overnight. Again, aging is a gradual process. You don't go from sexy co-ed hottie to mom-jeans van driver over night.

 

The OP's question was about whether attractive women take their attractiveness for granted. The best test of that is before-and-after photos of them hitting the wall. Before they hit the wall, attractive women take their lives for granted. After they hit the wall, most appreciate how good a deal it was. And a handful just flat-out freak the **** out.

 

Again, hit the wall? Over night?

 

And, yes, you can tell which ones used to be hot ****. Some of it obvious, visible. Hint: attractive people do get used up and it shows despite their genetics. Some it is in how they comport themselves. A 38 year old woman who was once hot **** acts like a 22 year old who is hot ****. The only difference is that the used up one goes off the deep end when people don't respond to her the way they used to.

 

A 38 yr old woman who acts like a friggin 22 year old has a lot more issues than just her looks fading. THAT woman is NOT the norm, why do you guys act like she is? Do most 38 yr old women you meet act like college girls?

[mesmerized]

Lol I dont have anything good or better than men. Me and women I know, attractive or not work our bum off to get the life going and also put effort in dating and dont just rely on looks.

[insertnamehere]

our self worth is not tied up in how we look.

 

There are several profitable industries predicated on the notion that y'all ladies do.

 

That only pertains to a very specific and small group of women; those who have always been very vain AND who developed little or no other aspects of themselves besides their attractive appearance.

 

Obviously no argument blankets all human beings. I mean, ****, somewhere out there is an autistic chick who's a full-on 10 who just wants to study microbiology and be left alone.

 

As for vain bitches . . . I'm just stating what I've encountered. I'm not claiming I'm encountering the finest examples of human nature. I'm just stating what I am seeing when I go out.

[USMCHokie]

Honestly, physical attractiveness is no different from any other characteristic of either gender. Have you ever watched Millionaire Matchmaker...? Half these guys are social retards, and some of them have the audacity to openly feel entitled to a hot wife based solely on their affluence.

 

I think it has more to do with the individual than it does an entire gender or age group. It's just that the bad apples tend to create a perception of the rest of the population...its human nature to point at the extreme case and generalize from that.

 

As it relates specifically to physical looks, there's no doubt that people's looks degrade over time. However, most people of either gender will develop characteristics in other areas to, for lack of a better term, "make up" for that degradation. However, there are a fair number of individuals, both male and female, who coast on their looks for so long that they fail to develop their personalities. For them, there simply wasn't any need to, based on their particular set of values and priorities. If good looks got them sex, and sex gave them happiness, then they'd need nothing beyond maintaining their physical appearance. But I believe these folks are the exception rather than the rule.

 

For the majority of folks other there, you'll see much more balanced individuals...

[Mme. Chaucer]

As for vain bitches . . . I'm just stating what I've encountered. I'm not claiming I'm encountering the finest examples of human nature. I'm just stating what I am seeing when I go out.

 

I'm getting the impression that you hang out in some seedy places frequented by the type of person known as a "bar fly." I get the picture of the "elderly" 38 year old woman who's trying to act 22. Not a pretty one. But trashy bar / club life really is not indicative of the interior lives of women, or of men, either.

[insertnamehere]

She became overweight as she aged, that sucks. She is also 55 yrs old now, so that's not in your 25-40 age group either.

 

And she was never 38? At any point between her heyday and 55 yrs old, 38 just didn't happen?

 

Does that mean a young guy can be "too nerdy" or "too ugly" to be on the market then?

 

Yes. If a guy is at the border of full-on Rain Man, that's gonna be a problem with the ladies.

 

I don't think the attention suddenly dries.

 

"Dries up" is an overstatement, I'll concede.

 

it doesn't mean it is sunshine and sex and money for men.

 

The last couple years of my life have been by far the best. My 30s blow my 20s and teens out of the water. No contest.

 

A 38 yr old woman who acts like a friggin 22 year old has a lot more issues than just her looks fading. THAT woman is NOT the norm, why do you guys act like she is? Do most 38 yr old women you meet act like college girls?

 

I'm a single guy in his 30s. Never married. No kids. I have money and my **** together. I ain't hanging out at the bars where the old guys just lean over their beers, that's for sure.

 

So . . . the answer is "pretty much".

[veggirl]

And she was never 38? At any point between her heyday and 55 yrs old, 38 just didn't happen?

 

Right, but what I am saying is that you act like one day women just wake up and suddenly are old and unattractive and reeling that sexy men don't want them. It is not overnight, we ALL age gradually and accept it and adjust gradually and accordingly. I am just confused as to why you act like women go from sexy co-eds to trolls overnight and why you think they are confused by it.

 

The last couple years of my life have been by far the best. My 30s blow my 20s and teens out of the water. No contest.

 

That's cool, I have no issue with it. I look forward to my 30s, and they are near, just next year in fact. I take issue with the LS perpetuated idea that I will wake up a "rode hard and put away wet" troll once I hit a certain age.

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

The last couple years of my life have been by far the best. My 30s blow my 20s and teens out of the water. No contest.

 

 

JSYK, my 30's blew my 20's and teens out of the water, too. Looking back now, from my over 50 perspective, I can clearly see that even if my looks might have begun to show some age (honestly I can't believe that they did, but I was so not oriented to thinking that way - I'm still not), I was SO much more of a fully realized person in my 30's that I definitely LOOKED better as a result.

 

I ruled!

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

I take issue with the LS perpetuated idea that I will wake up a "rode hard and put away wet" troll once I hit a certain age.

 

Take comfort in the knowledge that this is pretty much an Internet meme, and if you don't hang around with guys like that irl (I never meet any of them and neither does my 25 year old daughter, though she encounters them on reddit regularly), you won't have to deal.

[veggirl]

Take comfort in the knowledge that this is pretty much an Internet meme, and if you don't hang around with guys like that irl (I never meet any of them and neither does my 25 year old daughter, though she encounters them on reddit regularly), you won't have to deal.

 

Thanks, I have never met a guy IRL who said such things, but sometimes LS makes me wonder if they are all secretly thinking it!

[insertnamehere]

Right, but what I am saying is that you act like one day women just wake up and suddenly are old and unattractive and reeling that sexy men don't want them.

 

On almost any graph there's an inflection point where you can see things went bad. Often, only in retrospect. A sprained ankle might not hobble you until tomorrow, but it doesn't mean there isn't an exact moment when it happened.

 

I take issue with the LS perpetuated idea that I will wake up a "rode hard and put away wet" troll once I hit a certain age.

 

I'm not going to deny there is an element of misogyny in online male culture that basically goes "ha! now those bitches get theirs!" Waiting for others to go to hell is the world's greatest pass-time.

 

That said . . . I've met women who've gotten theirs. And they don't go quietly, to say the least.

 

Every reprehensible thing I've ever been called by women in real life has been hurled by a woman fitting some variant of what I've said here. It arises from a misbegotten sense of entitlement. And it is by far my number one source of objections to female behavior.

[threebyfate]

Of course we women take our attractiveness for granted. We use our looks to lure men into our dens, kill them and eat them.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Of course we women take our attractiveness for granted. We use our looks to lure men into our dens, kill them and eat them.

 

Until we turn 38, when we suddenly become drunken slatterns who throw drinks and vile invectives upon men who don't believe we are 22.

 

Life is so unfair!

[threebyfate]

Until we turn 38, when we suddenly become drunken slatterns who throw drinks and vile invectives upon men who don't believe we are 22.

 

Life is so unfair!

And then we still kill them and eat them. Is that so unfair?

[Mme. Chaucer]

And then we still kill them and eat them. Is that so unfair?

 

You can eat them. I'm not eating them. Yuck!

 

But I am very ancient, and I hit that wall a heck of a long time ago … so there's no telling what heinous acts my sense of thwarted entitlement will drive me to.

[LittlePrince]

The media and society conditions us to desire the female form. Her beauty, her sexuality.

 

Obviously there are some women who desired more than others, but in general women are fawned or lusted over much more than men.

 

Now maybe this part is just a product of men being the hunters and women being the choosers, but women seem to be much more descriminate and have a higher degrees of standards for a male suitor than vice versa.

 

Whether it is money, success or looks men seem to have to qualify themselves to women, while for the most part a woman must only be somewhat attractive to have the eye of at least a few guys.

 

So my question is, do women take for granted their attractiveness? How well would they do if the roles were reversed? If men were the objects of desire in society and the media?

 

Do you think if women weren't as desired they would have as high of standards for their mates?

Considering the kind of guys women end up with they aren't that selective.

[Titanwolf]

Objectively, my mum looks amazing at 46 (no incest), and she hasn't changed much since she was 25. Then again, she doesn't smoke, drink and exercises, so maybe she's cheating

[Anela]

The media and society conditions us to desire the female form. Her beauty, her sexuality.

 

So you wouldn't desire a woman, if the media didn't tell you to?

 

The media also works to inform us that we aren't good enough, and that sex is mostly what we're good for. If you don't look a certain way, then you need to do this to yourself, or that to yourself, you need to sex that man up so that he won't stray, all that crap.