Turned off by a womans lack of knowledge in new or politics

[jobaba]

To me, "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" means people should be able to do whatever the hell they want without infringing on rights of others, while people shouldnt get handouts on the taxpayer dime.

 

Nope......

 

Oh really...

 

Libertarianism is the group of political philosophies that emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association without violent coercion.

 

In the United States people commonly associate the term libertarian with those who have economically conservative and socially liberal views (going by the common meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" in the United States)

 

 

LOL. It's pretty much word for word what he said. Ivy League Poli Sci major, right?

Edited September 7, 2012 by jobaba

[proactivedreamer]

Well given all the misinformation,disinformation, and lack of information, I can see why some people may not be eager to participate in the political process or stay informed for that matter. I mean it seems that the vast majority of people are completely misinformed and don't understand the most basic function of government and all its branches. I, myself, check out sometimes because it becomes frustrating over time, and its a lot to absorb. The reality is it's hard to know the truth these days, especially if we are getting our information from mainstream media who are owned by these big conglomerates, and therefore control what information gets out. What I am trying to say is that there is a lot of information, talking, and confusion about politics, so I understand how some folks turn their back to it.

[Star Gazer]

Oh really...

 

Libertarianism is the group of political philosophies that emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association without violent coercion.

 

In the United States people commonly associate the term libertarian with those who have economically conservative and socially liberal views (going by the common meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" in the United States)

 

 

LOL. It's pretty much word for word what he said. Ivy League Poli Sci major, right?

 

I'm sorry... what's your source that defines libertarianism, exactly? Wikipedia?

 

Libertarians believe in little-to-no government, and is akin to the Tea Party and often compared to anarchists.

[jobaba]

I'm sorry... what's your source that defines libertarianism, exactly? Wikipedia?

 

Libertarians believe in little-to-no government, and is akin to the Tea Party and often compared to anarchists.

 

This is exactly why I hate arguing politics. Stubborn people will never give up their argument, no matter how credible it is.

 

So you think that because the Libertarian party in practice is a little different than the defined Libertarian philosophy, that I am completely wrong in labeling Hokie's philosophy Libertarian?

 

Mind you ... I wasn't even trying to argue politics. I was just putting a name to a face.

 

You started it. Goodbye.

[Star Gazer]

This is exactly why I hate arguing politics. Stubborn people will never give up their argument, no matter how credible it is.

 

So you think that because the Libertarian party in practice is a little different than the defined Libertarian philosophy, that I am completely wrong in labeling Hokie's philosophy Libertarian?

 

Mind you ... I wasn't even trying to argue politics. I was just putting a name to a face.

 

The majority of liberal Americans if asked to describe their politics without a party label would call themselves socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Who would say they're fiscally liberal?

 

So yeah, I think your label is wrong.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I'm sorry... what's your source that defines libertarianism, exactly? Wikipedia?

Libertarians believe in little-to-no government, and is akin to the Tea Party and often compared to anarchists.

 

*facepalm*

 

This has to be the San Fransisco talking.

[Untouchable_Fire]

1. Do you find folks who follow important news events or politics (or the things within politics ) to be more intellectual than others? When I say the thing within politics, Im talking general economic and social issues that shape our lifes. In my experience, people with a greater interest in how the world runs tend to be more intellectual due to their knowledge of particular topics.

 

Not at all. Politics junkies tend to be less intellectual and more zealous.

 

I find the people who are apathetic about politics have more pressing life concerns.

 

2. Are you turned off by people who dont stay up to date on important news or important events (like elections) that affect us all?

 

Nope.

 

3. Is it me or does it seem that men generally follow politics way more than women? And because of this I notice more guys are interested in economics and social issues. It would seem to me that there are more women than men who simply go along in their life not caring about what makes life the way it is...or if they have complaints about certain aspects of society, theres more women than men who dont educate themselves on ways to change it.

 

I can't really say either way. When I was dating I found a huge amount of women who were very opinionated regarding politics, but with very poorly thought out conclusions. I find it interesting how few people understand the basic arguments of people on the other side.

[Star Gazer]

*facepalm*

 

This has to be the San Fransisco talking.

 

I do not and have never lived in SF. Next assumption?

[Untouchable_Fire]

I do not and have never lived in SF. Next assumption?

 

Suburbs don't count?

 

Just so you know... fiscal liberals are generally favorable towards government spending money.

[Eternal Sunshine]

For those that think labels are "uncool"

 

Why just apply this idea to politics?

 

So I guess you hate being labelled "straight" or "gay", "religious" or "atheist" etc.

 

And if you don't mind THOSE labels, then your logic is inconsistent. I would never date someone with inconsistent logic

[Hawaii50]

I want a woman to be informed and have her own educated (conventionally or otherwise) opinions, but in regards to any one topic such a politics I could care less. I would actually prefer not politics, though. It would prove to be a turn-off to me if she was so passionate about being manipulated by govt/media/society...

 

"A well adjusted person in a sick society isn't healthy"

 

Besides I think politics are dream-killers. I need a smart woman, and I need one who dreams.

 

 

Edit: Local Politics is completely separate and more relative.

Edited September 7, 2012 by Hawaii50

[threebyfate]

Local politics and news is about as snooze-worthy as it gets. I totally ignore most of it, unwilling to waste my time. Save me from stupid human interest stories or even the Olympics. Do not care.

 

Give me international politics, particularly when superimposed over economic conditions and trade patterns. Waves through spacetime, anyone?

[Hawaii50]

Local politics and news is about as snooze-worthy as it gets. I totally ignore most of it, unwilling to waste my time. Save me from stupid human interest stories or even the Olympics. Do not care.

 

Give me international politics, particularly when superimposed over economic conditions and trade patterns. Waves through spacetime, anyone?

 

Do I pay close attention to macro-politics, sure. I work in Afgh****stain, dabble in the stock market, and find the last 400 years of the world's history/politics very interesting. BUT! I can't do much on a macro level, and local politics is something I can attend, voice, and change. I don't subscribe to be a politician but I am active member of my society, when I can be. When it concerns me. I can't walk into the senate, but I can walk into a council meeting.

[boaaaar]

1. Do you find folks who follow important news events or politics (or the things within politics ) to be more intellectual than others? When I say the thing within politics, Im talking general economic and social issues that shape our lifes. In my experience, people with a greater interest in how the world runs tend to be more intellectual due to their knowledge of particular topics.

It depends. I bet learning economics in depth requires a great amount of intellect. However people talking up their political opinions at random occasions are not really intellectual people, to my perception at least.

2. Are you turned off by people who dont stay up to date on important news or important events (like elections) that affect us all?

Not really.

 

3. Is it me or does it seem that men generally follow politics way more than women? And because of this I notice more guys are interested in economics and social issues. It would seem to me that there are more women than men who simply go along in their life not caring about what makes life the way it is...or if they have complaints about certain aspects of society, theres more women than men who dont educate themselves on ways to change it.

Yea, I see more men than women into politics.

[Els]

1. Do you find folks who follow important news events or politics (or the things within politics ) to be more intellectual than others? When I say the thing within politics, Im talking general economic and social issues that shape our lifes. In my experience, people with a greater interest in how the world runs tend to be more intellectual due to their knowledge of particular topics.

 

I don't find this to be so, no. Then again, it all depends on how you define intellectualism. Some of the most 'conventionally intellectual' people I know - and I mean people who breezed their way through grad school to a PhD, have a formally-tested IQ of above 150, and are THE experts in their respective fields of science - seem to live in their own little bubble, to be honest. Their love for their science defines their lives so much that they aren't much affected by externals - social lives, dress and appearance, politics and news, etc.

 

The people I know who are very much up to date in news, politics, and economics, tend to be more of the entrepreneurial/street-smart people. They are smart in their own way, yes, but I'm not sure if the traditional definition of 'intellectual' encompasses them.

 

2. Are you turned off by people who dont stay up to date on important news or important events (like elections) that affect us all?

 

I'm just about average in this - I follow news and events but not to the degree that some do - so no.

 

3. Is it me or does it seem that men generally follow politics way more than women? And because of this I notice more guys are interested in economics and social issues. It would seem to me that there are more women than men who simply go along in their life not caring about what makes life the way it is...or if they have complaints about certain aspects of society, theres more women than men who dont educate themselves on ways to change it.

 

This has been my experience as well, but I don't personally see why following politics is any more superior to, say, following the latest developments in the fields of biology and neuroscience, or learning to be the best mother and homemaker one can be, or anything else that involves effort and learning.

[kaylan]

This has been my experience as well, but I don't personally see why following politics is any more superior to, say, following the latest developments in the fields of biology and neuroscience, or learning to be the best mother and homemaker one can be, or anything else that involves effort and learning.

Well, in my view, an interest in politics coincides with an interest in important economic and social issues that impact our daily lives. Basically, all the important things in life are affected by politics, and politics help make many important changes to many things around us.

 

That would be why Id see a disinterest in politics as a turn off. In my experience, a person disinterested in politics is usually someone who doesnt really have a vested interest in many of lifes important issues. And while thats cool for some folks, the world isnt perfect, and to just go through life not caring about whats going on around you and what affects you just turns me off a good deal.

 

It would make sense for a scientist in a particular field or a homemaker to be interested in politics. Those we vote into office affect taxes that affect the homemakers family. And we all know science can get wrapped up in politics too because of money and stuff.

 

Anything thats important, will be influenced by politics...simply be definition of what politics is.

[USMCHokie]

Well, in my view, an interest in politics coincides with an interest in important economic and social issues that impact our daily lives. Basically, all the important things in life are affected by politics, and politics help make many important changes to many things around us.

 

That would be why Id see a disinterest in politics as a turn off. In my experience, a person disinterested in politics is usually someone who doesnt really have a vested interest in many of lifes important issues. And while thats cool for some folks, the world isnt perfect, and to just go through life not caring about whats going on around you and what affects you just turns me off a good deal.

 

It would make sense for a scientist in a particular field or a homemaker to be interested in politics. Those we vote into office affect taxes that affect the homemakers family. And we all know science can get wrapped up in politics too because of money and stuff.

 

Anything thats important, will be influenced by politics...simply be definition of what politics is.

 

I actually think that those with the most interest in politics are the least satisfied with their lives...as my very own generalized speculation. If one is satisfied with the condition of their life in relation to the world, why would they seek to rock the ship outside of curious interest?

 

That's why you get those folks who are in their proverbial "bubbles"...life is going perfectly fine for them, so why induce the stress of the nonsense of politics unnecessarily...? So the value of political issues will vary from person to person. For example, I don't give a crap how much taxes I pay...if the government raised it by 5% today, I wouldn't even care...frankly I probably wouldn't even notice. Again, each person would value things differently. Do I care whether Sally can get an abortion? Nope. Don't give a sh*t.

 

So kaylan, we probably shouldn't ever date.

[Emilia]

I actually think that those with the most interest in politics are the least satisfied with their lives...as my very own generalized speculation. If one is satisfied with the condition of their life in relation to the world, why would they seek to rock the ship outside of curious interest?

 

I've never seen it that way. I believe that if you want to have a say or have any kind of (perhaps perceived) control over your life, you should understand what's going in the world and at home in the economy, politics, current affairs, etc. Otherwise how can you influence the outcome? I'm content enough but I want to participate.

[USMCHokie]

I've never seen it that way. I believe that if you want to have a say or have any kind of (perhaps perceived) control over your life, you should understand what's going in the world and at home in the economy, politics, current affairs, etc. Otherwise how can you influence the outcome? I'm content enough but I want to participate.

 

I feel I have more than sufficient control over my life that I don't need to influence external forces to set more favorable conditions.

 

Maybe I'm just lucky...

[Radu]

If she were to not care about politics, than i would get over it.

If she did not have my curiosities concerning our place in the country/planet/universe, i may get over it.

It would matter if she had an ambition to understand something ...

 

What would be an absolute turn-off would be someone who adherred to the political party lines 100% even though inside herself admits that some of them are absolute bull****.

It's this kind of little soldier that i can't stand, no matter the party line i dislike them, and some of them are on the very first page of the thread.

[kaylan]

I actually think that those with the most interest in politics are the least satisfied with their lives...as my very own generalized speculation. If one is satisfied with the condition of their life in relation to the world, why would they seek to rock the ship outside of curious interest?

This is a pretty unfounded generalization with no basis in reality. I come across many happy folks who are interested in politics. Also, have you ever heard of the greater good? Plenty of people have an interest in politics because they want others to be happy in their own lives.

 

If you just dont care about all the wrong things going on in the world, then thats you. I care about righting the wrongs, so I will rock the boat. I could be a millionaire and enjoy my own life as much as I want, but Id still rock the boat because I know many others needed help in having happier lives. The world inst a perfect place, and we should help one another.

That's why you get those folks who are in their proverbial "bubbles"...life is going perfectly fine for them, so why induce the stress of the nonsense of politics unnecessarily...? So the value of political issues will vary from person to person. For example, I don't give a crap how much taxes I pay...if the government raised it by 5% today, I wouldn't even care...frankly I probably wouldn't even notice. Again, each person would value things differently. Do I care whether Sally can get an abortion? Nope. Don't give a sh*t.

 

So kaylan, we probably shouldn't ever date.

Why induce the stress of politics? You must live a rather cushy, care free life. It doesnt bother you that the wage gap is ridiculously big in our country? It doesnt bother you that Africa and South East Asia have ridiculous amounts of poverty? It doesnt bother you that women and gays are being denied equal rights in parts of our country?

 

Life may be fine for me, but its not fine for everyone. And thats one reason why Im interested in politics. I think about the good of everyone...because when you let inequality or evil fester, it may affect your life or your love ones lives one day.

 

5% can be a lot of money to some people, and the difference between keeping the lights on for a few more weeks, or feeding their kids for a couple weeks. Its good that you have the privilege not to care about these things, but you have to understand these things matter. And you may not care if Sally gets an abortion, but you should care if shes allowed the right to...because someone could take away your rights one day.

Edited September 7, 2012 by kaylan

[Radu]

Too late to edit my former post :

 

As for the OP, over the last few decades your political leaders have started resembling one another in actions.

Choosing between 2 candidates that are bribed by the same ppl and which have no interest in reforming the system or damaging the status quo is futile.

 

It's like this in many systems.

 

And kaylan, you do not rock the boat.

The boat in your system is comprised by the 2 party system.

Rocking the boat would mean to be outside the system and making an impact on it.

Your political adherence is to democrats [judging by your posts].

[kaylan]

I feel I have more than sufficient control over my life that I don't need to influence external forces to set more favorable conditions.

 

Maybe I'm just lucky...

A privileged person taking their blessing for granted....nothing new to be honest. Its all good though...not everyone was meant to help others.

Too late to edit my former post :

 

As for the OP, over the last few decades your political leaders have started resembling one another in actions.

Choosing between 2 candidates that are bribed by the same ppl and which have no interest in reforming the system or damaging the status quo is futile.

 

It's like this in many systems.

 

And kaylan, you do not rock the boat.

The boat in your system is comprised by the 2 party system.

Rocking the boat would mean to be outside the system and making an impact on it.

Your political adherence is to democrats [judging by your posts].

Oh goodie...more of this "your voice doesnt make a difference" crap. Whatever kid. Youre just as bad as some of the folks at the top who try and stifle the voice of the people. You do the same thing.

Edited September 7, 2012 by kaylan

[Radu]

Ooo, i can totally not feel a sense of superiority masked behind that ignorance.

 

I'll put it mildly for you kaylan.

 

You see the world in black and white, not in shades of grey.

You have no ideea what it's like to live in a system where corruption is rampant on all levels of government.

You have no ideea how it is to live in a 3rd world country, how little your voice matters.

And as someone who lives in a 3rd [now 2nd] world country i can tell you what 'we' think of you americans.

Get the hell out of our political systems and deal with your own sh*t, we are tired after 6 decades of involvement and fuc*ing things up.

You are experimenting on us, and we don't like it.

 

You messed up South America, Central America, you armed Iraq before causing an estimated 1m deaths in 2 decades of involvement there.

You supported the drug cartels at the expense of your own ppl, and now you are morally guilty for 60k deaths in Mexico in just half a decade.

You failed in Afghanistan [miserably], and Iraq will never be what you guys want it to be.

 

Just sort your own problems, before you again mess up Africa and Asia.

 

At least the Chinese are not hypocrits.

 

---

 

See the above ?

That's where the terrorist's hatred comes from.

It's caused by 5 decades of involvement and abuse of 3 continents.

[kaylan]

More arrogance from a foreigner who thinks he knows so much about America and American politics lolol. You talk about superiority yet its always you trying to talk down to people regarding America and American culture. I see you do this a lot on the forum.

 

This thread isnt about me having first hand experience living in the third world. If I saw the world as so black and white, I wouldnt have plans to actually help the third world. But you wouldnt be able to see that because you obviously dont read my posts well (ever), and youd rather be pretentious whiny foreigner whos gone the typical route of bitching about the USA coupled with supposed expert knowledge on how much my vote matters.

 

Please go.

 

PS - Lol...you mad at America brah? Because it sure seems that way. Take your whining about America elsewhere. This isnt the thread for it. The politics forum is that-a-way ===>

Edited September 7, 2012 by kaylan