The modern female is a lioness

[KungFuJoe]

My wife doesn't out earn me, but she does own her own company. I love the fact that she is a female business owner and has been since she was 33 (over three years now). If she ever blows up and makes way more money than me I would be so proud. I'm already proud as hell of her. Maybe I feel this way because I'm pretty well off...who knows..but I think even if I wasn't and only she was I wouldn't care either way.

[Ruby Slippers]

My wife doesn't out earn me, but she does own her own company. I love the fact that she is a female business owner and has been since she was 33 (over three years now). If she ever blows up and makes way more money than me I would be so proud. I'm already proud as hell of her. Maybe I feel this way because I'm pretty well off...who knows..but I think even if I wasn't and only she was I wouldn't care either way.

Exactly. My guy celebrates every success with me - and I'm sure this is easier for him to do because he still has way more money than I do, and higher earning power at this point. If we stick together, something tells me we're just going to keep challenging each other to do even better.

 

When I've been with less ambitious, focused guys in the past, they always act out in ways that reveal that they are intimidated - picking at me and trying to tear me down so I stay at their level and don't make them feel as scared of losing me. One of them even recognized and admitted he was doing that, and said, "I don't want to be like this. I want to be proud of you. But when you do something better than I can, I feel unworthy and freak out." This mostly resulted in him criticizing me. I'm not going to take that crap. I have too many good things to do.

[MrCastle]

Most of these couples have marriages lasting more than 30 years... minimum 10 years.

 

Their husbands seem happy.

 

Why do you feel it wouldn't be healthy? What would happen if you lost your job? Would you divorce your wife? Would you discourage her getting a promotion?

 

How does this personally affect you? What if both of what you earn goes into the same pot and you negotiate together where it goes?

 

I personally wouldn't want to be married to a guy who needs to feel 'superior' to me, or whose self-esteem is centered solely on his income earning ability... I want a partnership.

 

I said I wouldn't have a problem personally. I don't care if the woman makes more than me, what I was driving at, was that I think it could be a problem for many women.

[ascendotum]

This is definitely me, and it's why I can only be with a lion. The weaker guys can't keep me in line, don't challenge me to rise to my greatness. A lion does, and loves doing it.

 

I also find it a little weird when women say they need a strong guy to pull them into line, call them out on their bs, or won't put up with their behaviour. I don't find I need nor desire a partner who's a handbrake on my behaviour/personality. In this instance where the topic is on 'strong lioness' women, even more so. I find in the long term its not the 'alpha' tough guys who challange a woman, but the well balanced guys, who are there for the woman on an emotional level. Most stay at home/work from home fathers, I have known are not betas and they certainly aren't alphas, but in between, and see the relationship as a partnership.

 

While the female lions do both parts of the whole "hunter-gatherer", and many modern women do likewise, when it comes to role of the male, the latter are not going to put up with the male showing up on the scene after all the hard work is done, taking the biggest cut then when full go back to lazing around.

I think lionesses are somewhat unique in this behavior when it comes to the animal kingdom. Other big cats anyway don't exhibit the same relationship dynamics.

[espec10001]

Humans are above animals. In fact, no woman is a "lionness", nor is any man a "lion". Human, a ruler of animals, not the animals themselves. Any person who submits to the mentality of a beast is controlled by obsession, which is a quality that separates mankind from beast.

 

Human = human, with all the failings and triumphs that go along with it.

[kaylan]

Humans are above animals. In fact, no woman is a "lionness", nor is any man a "lion". Human, a ruler of animals, not the animals themselves. Any person who submits to the mentality of a beast is controlled by obsession, which is a quality that separates mankind from beast.

 

Human = human, with all the failings and triumphs that go along with it.

You obviously didnt see my mane of dreads last summer before I shortened them.

 

Kaylan = chocolate lion. Grrr, baby grrr.

[espec10001]

You obviously didnt see my mane of dreads last summer before I shortened them.

 

Kaylan = chocolate lion. Grrr, baby grrr.

 

Hahaha. Right . A lion headed man, how original!

[Ruby Slippers]

I also find it a little weird when women say they need a strong guy to pull them into line, call them out on their bs, or won't put up with their behaviour. I don't find I need nor desire a partner who's a handbrake on my behaviour/personality.

I guess I like a more hands-on feel. I know I'm not perfect and have more growing to do, and I love the people in my life who have the courage to call me on my BS. I have the utmost respect for people who recognize my good qualities and effectively communicate about where I can improve. I believe in lifelong learning and improvement. I'm an idealist and believe in striving for the best of what's humanly possible.

 

My fella and I talked about this just the other night. He said I'm asking him questions that are getting him back in touch with his ideals from a younger age, things he hasn't thought about much in over a decade, and it's making him feel free and lighter about everything. He's waking me up in many ways, too.

 

I think "keep me in line" was a poor choice of words. I meant to emphasize the "challenge me to rise to my greatness" part. I know that I have unique skills that I can do a lot of good with. I want to be with someone who is the same way, and who doesn't try to tear me down as I strive for my personal greatness.

[Got it]

I said I wouldn't have a problem personally. I don't care if the woman makes more than me, what I was driving at, was that I think it could be a problem for many women.

 

Why do you think this?

 

I make more than my fiance. I am fine with it and I believe he seems to be. I would not be happy in a relationship where a man was threatened by it or my career. I think each partnership is different but I want and need a more contemporary dynamic than a traditional one. I do not ascribe to the traditional gender roles and would struggle in that dynamic. So I appreciate a man that can be more "open minded" in regards to them, fluid.

 

I would question why one would be in a relationship with another when they felt their strongest asset was their bank account. Seems to be a shaky thing to base a relationship on. And quite sad.

[Pompom]

Some women have no choice but be lionesses. When you're a loner, with no handy contacts who can fix stuff or drive your shopping in return for a hug or a cold beer, or even sex, you become a lioness, and one hell of one, too. No choice. And I think it's admirable and honorable to be self-sufficient and strong. It doesn't mean one cannot rely on others or show weakness when affordable. A lioness who's taken care of by a reliable guy, can be a pussycat.

 

Hell, I lug huge and heavy shopping home on foot, I tear down or assemble my own 4-door-closets and I do a lot of the carrying when I move, but if a man wants to be "da man", man up, and go testosterone on those kinds of "man chores", by all means, when offered, I gladly accept pampering and protection

 

To me, being a lioness isn't about feeding into the stereotype of that butch heterosexual woman who might just snap Hulk Hogan in two with a huge groan, not shave her armpits, and scream "Macho pig!" at men who try to help. To me, it's about being as strong and as self-sufficient as needed when no one is around to open that jar for you, and not whine about a broken nail.