kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Think about it. Female lions do the majority of the hunting and also do their part in raising their cubs. Seems nature intended that. Yet we know many dudes, usually guys complaining in the online "manosphere", say that todays career oriented women are going against natural instints. Well I was watching this nature show right now, and thought it was great that the female lions do both parts of the whole "hunter-gatherer" thing. Why do some people fight the idea of a man or woman doing both? If women want to do both, I admire it and definitely want that in a girl I date. If a guy wants to take a more active role in child rearing and gathering, he shouldnt be shamed for it. Who cares if his wife is the "bread winner" either. If you look at recent stats. Almost 40% of women out earn their mates...and that figure will reach half in the coming years. Question to the men. Would you date a lioness type woman? Do you find her appealing. As I said. I personally find it kick azz for a gal to do both.
ThaWholigan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 This thread will be interesting . Shame I don't have popcorn.... I have no problem dating that type of women personally, in fact I think I would find a comrade as well as a wife in such a woman, that would appeal to me greatly. It depends on the energy that resonates within such a woman, and I wouldn't really find it much of a "challenge" to deal with - or if it is, it's a pleasant one. 1
EasyHeart Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 As long as she lets me eat her kill before she does. Oh, and she lets me have a harem. 2
weallfalldown Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 who say's we even need a man/woman...i'm a single dad, self sufficient... I don't need a woman apart from the obvious.... 1
Hawaii50 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 They've always been lioness', we've (the history of man) just always had you in cages.
Woggle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I fully support equal partners. I just find that some women use it an excuse to cover up some much less attractive aspects of their personality.
Hawaii50 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I don't need a woman apart from the obvious.... sammiches.
Radu Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I like lionesses. It's when they want to be the lion, that i lose attraction for them. I hope you end up understanding how wrong the the metaphor in the OP was. Read up on lion society.
Ruby Slippers Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 This is definitely me, and it's why I can only be with a lion. The weaker guys can't keep me in line, don't challenge me to rise to my greatness. A lion does, and loves doing it.
Woggle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 This is definitely me, and it's why I can only be with a lion. The weaker guys can't keep me in line, don't challenge me to rise to my greatness. A lion does, and loves doing it. No offense intended but why is it up to a guy to keep you in line? Why can't a woman keep herself in line. The last thing I want to do is keep a woman in line because we are all adults. 5
Titanwolf Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I naturally have a fiery and confrontational nature, so I doubt I'd be compatible with this "Lioness" type woman of which you speak. Ironically, in the zodiac, putting two Leos together is like throwing oil into a fire. It burns with a passionate temperament, but ultimately there is no calm before, or after the storm (I am not a Leo btw). Edited August 29, 2012 by Titanwolf
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 40% of women out earn their mates? Can we get a stat on how long marriages last in which the woman makes more than the man?
RedRobin Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 'Great' people don't need other people to 'inspire' them to greatness... They just 'are'. "It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man woman is she who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ... but to the OP... I'd argue a better example are coyote and wolf females... In coyote packs, females can breed with more than one male (me likey!!)... so it seems there is some 'equality' in breeding hierarchy. In wolf packs, there is one breeding pair who are the alphas. The male does not have a 'harem'.
Taramere Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 If a guy wants to take a more active role in child rearing and gathering, he shouldnt be shamed for it. This guy isn't shamed, or ashamed of his role in the parenting process (not that he's exactly exerting himself). The first 30 seconds of the clip reminds me a bit of Loveshack. "A men's rights activist has entered the site..." 2
weallfalldown Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 'Great' people don't need other people to 'inspire' them to greatness... They just 'are'. "It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man woman is she who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ... but to the OP... I'd argue a better example are coyote and wolf females... In coyote packs, females can breed with more than one male (me likey!!)... so it seems there is some 'equality' in breeding hierarchy. In wolf packs, there is one breeding pair who are the alphas. The male does not have a 'harem'. not lady like!
RedRobin Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 40% of women out earn their mates? Can we get a stat on how long marriages last in which the woman makes more than the man? I don't have the stats on that... but I personally know at least four couples right off the top of my head where she out earns him. The key ingredient though, seems to be that they met before she started out earning him... and so the relationship was established, kids were had, and significant bonding had already occurred. IME, lots of guys are too insecure to (knowingly) enter into a relationship with a woman who makes more than him or is perceived by his friends/family to be 'inferior' to her in some way.
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I don't have the stats on that... but I personally know at least four couples right off the top of my head where she out earns him. The key ingredient though, seems to be that they met before she started out earning him... and so the relationship was established, kids were had, and significant bonding had already occurred. IME, lots of guys are too insecure to (knowingly) enter into a relationship with a woman who makes more than him or is perceived by his friends/family to be 'inferior' to her in some way. Guess it comes down to perception. I wouldn't mind if a woman out earned me--would it last in the long run? Meaning, could we have a healthy marriage with her knowing she earns significantly more than me? Doubtful.
paperboy48 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 40% of women out earn their mates? Can we get a stat on how long marriages last in which the woman makes more than the man? My soon to be ex-female mate makes more money than I do....divorce pending!!
threebyfate Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 This guy isn't shamed, or ashamed of his role in the parenting process (not that he's exactly exerting himself). The first 30 seconds of the clip reminds me a bit of Loveshack. "A men's rights activist has entered the site..." Those cubs are rascally cute! There's just no reason why people can't share chores and income generation. Silly to believe otherwise. This doesn't mean they have to do so. Whatever works for the couple. 5
RedRobin Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Guess it comes down to perception. I wouldn't mind if a woman out earned me--would it last in the long run? Meaning, could we have a healthy marriage with her knowing she earns significantly more than me? Doubtful. Most of these couples have marriages lasting more than 30 years... minimum 10 years. Their husbands seem happy. Why do you feel it wouldn't be healthy? What would happen if you lost your job? Would you divorce your wife? Would you discourage her getting a promotion? How does this personally affect you? What if both of what you earn goes into the same pot and you negotiate together where it goes? I personally wouldn't want to be married to a guy who needs to feel 'superior' to me, or whose self-esteem is centered solely on his income earning ability... I want a partnership. 1
threebyfate Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I personally wouldn't want to be married to a guy who needs to feel 'superior' to me, or whose self-esteem is centered solely on his income earning ability... I want a partnership.When a guy needs to feel "superior", this is insecurity within him, a fear of losing his partner since he doesn't have the upper hand in the relationship. This is why all the PUA garbage is so pathetic. It teaches men that women are superior beings they need to take down below them. How pathetic is that?
Ruby Slippers Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 No offense intended but why is it up to a guy to keep you in line? Why can't a woman keep herself in line. The last thing I want to do is keep a woman in line because we are all adults. I think that people in relationships help keep each other in line. My clients keep me at the edge of performance in my business, by demanding that I bring my best to my work with them. I love the clients who push me to innovate the most. My friends keep me in line by calling me on my BS and challenging me to grow as a person - all the time. I love them for this. My guy keeps me in line because he's on my intellectual level, and can immediately spot holes in my logic, lazy excuses I'm making for myself, and the like. Nothing gets past him (same with me), and the way he immediately notices any inconsistencies in my character or behavior challenges me to be a better person. He doesn't have to do this - he does it just by being himself. And he tells me it goes both ways. I like being in relationships that challenge me to rise to my best.
Hawaii50 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I seriously wish I had this problem... all the women I've dated have had very little ambition and barely or couldn't make ends meet on their own. they were dependent, and it's a huge game over, personally. I just want a girl who independent but chooses to be interdependent (with me!). I could care less how much she makes more or less, but just the fact that she does something with her life and contributes. I have low ego emissions so maybe I'm not your typical guy. I'd be stoked, proud, and very appreciative I had a women who has done enough in her life someone will pay her well to do something she ideally loves or enjoys doing. I need to get out of this country asap. Edited August 29, 2012 by Hawaii50
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