jobaba Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Has anyone ever noticed how relative atractivness can be? Say if I work somewhere where I am the best looking girl in that departement. Suddenly, most men check me out, are flirty etc etc. Now, put me in an enviroment where pretty girls are dime in dozen. I am mostly agreed. Humans love to compare Yes, they do, and we take it for granted...when we identify this as a fundamental human characteristic, we get condemned for it... I've documented on here before falling for a co-worker. There were a number of women in that office better looking than her (objectively) and I would have taken her over every one. Not in terms of personality. Just in terms of being more physically attractive to me. I also met her recently and she brought out her roommate who was really pretty. Definitely prettier in a consensus. I don't even remember what her room-mate looks like, less than a week later. Emotional attraction crushes good looks and it ain't even funny. But then again, as I'm always so fond of saying on LS ... maybe it's just me...
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Let's assume for a second that men operate in the exact same manner and are just as "shallow" as women. Why don't they just have sex with the hottest women...? A simple desire for sex. Plenty of men are capable of having sex with women they dont really find much attractive. For those guys, sometimes sex is sex. But if their anything like me, their desire, passion, and effort is much greater with women they find highly attractive. Which is why I dont personally have sex just for the hell of getting off. I need a woman I deem attractive. 1
AD1980 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Let's assume for a second that men operate in the exact same manner and are just as "shallow" as women. Why don't they just have sex with the hottest women...? Because not all of us can quite frankly otherwise we would I think in a pefect world most men and women would want a 10 who they also are compatible with but thats not reality so most people take the best they can actually get for sexual self preservation
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Lack of options. All things equal, men and women would chose the more attractive mate...this is provided that they havent already emotionally bonded with either person already. And let me add to this. Once emotions are involved, most folks wouldnt want to change their mate. My ex was empirically a 7 Id say, to most guys. But to me she was the hottest girl in my eyes when we were together. And once I fell for her I wouldnt have traded her for any babe, even if they were like her in all facets of personality. Her looks, her "flaws", her physical quirks, were all part of the woman I fell in love with. 2
mesmerized Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 And let me add to this. Once emotions are involved, most folks wouldnt want to change their mate. My ex was empirically a 7 Id say, to most guys. But to me she was the hottest girl in my eyes when we were together. And once I fell for her I wouldnt have traded her for any babe, even if they were like her in all facets of personality. My ex also seemed a 10 to me. Now he actually really was attractive but I think loving his personality increased my attraction even more.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 I beg to differ but you're wrong. The analogy that immediately came to mind is representative government. An objective result as a representation of the collective subjective opinion. How does marketing and advertising work? If attractiveness was purely subjective as you see it, then it'd be impossible to find appropriate human specimens to use in media. Instead, research and testing is conducted to find the most objectively attractive traits and the people who possess those traits in order to appeal to the widest audience.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 A simple desire for sex. Plenty of men are capable of having sex with women they dont really find much attractive. For those guys, sometimes sex is sex. But if their anything like me, their desire, passion, and effort is much greater with women they find highly attractive. Which is why I dont personally have sex just for the hell of getting off. I need a woman I deem attractive. I meant to edit my question but was too late. It should read: Why do men prefer to have sex with the hottest women...?
threebyfate Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 The analogy that immediately came to mind is representative government. An objective result as a representation of the collective subjective opinion.There are limited parties. How does marketing and advertising work? If attractiveness was purely subjective as you see it, then it'd be impossible to find appropriate human specimens to use in media. Instead, research and testing is conducted to find the most objectively attractive traits and the people who possess those traits in order to appeal to the widest audience.There are limited qualities and possibilities, when it comes to human beings. Now if you want to say that the majority of women want a human shaped male, this would be a fairly objective measure. But to suggest that all or most women find Shia LaBeouf attractive or hot, would be a joke. And yet the media and film industry keeps pushing him forwards as hot. NOT.
pie2 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 And how do these heroic white knights look? I'm guessing not many of them have a big gut. You don't go for those big-gut knights...what?!! No, of course a woman wants the complete package....but how quickly a man with a great physique becomes unattractive if he is very unconfident in himself.
threebyfate Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 You don't go for those big-gut knights...what?!! No, of course a woman wants the complete package....but how quickly a man with a great physique becomes unattractive if he is very unconfident in himself.Very quickly. What else will kill attraction is stupidity. 3
pie2 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Very quickly. What else will kill attraction is stupidity. Ugh, yes! So true...and much easier to see as I get older. So much of that bad boy image is teeming with what now seems like pretty stupid antics. 1
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 There are limited parties. But as long as you meet the minimum requirements for candidacy, you can run independently or seek nomination from your party. For example, you, with your completely individual and subjective view on proper government function, could run for a political office. However, after all is set and done, the people will have chosen a representative that would be the "objective subjective" view of her constituents. There are limited qualities and possibilities, when it comes to human beings. Now if you want to say that the majority of women want a human shaped male, this would be a fairly objective measure. But to suggest that all or most women find Shia LaBeouf attractive or hot, would be a joke. And yet the media and film industry keeps pushing him forwards as hot. NOT. Again, representative objectivity. Although it may not be good enough for you, it seems to be good enough for society.
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I meant to edit my question but was too late. It should read: Why do men prefer to have sex with the hottest women...? Same reason why most people would prefer a restaurant hamburger over a Mc Donalds hamburger.
johan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 There are limited parties. There are limited qualities and possibilities, when it comes to human beings. Now if you want to say that the majority of women want a human shaped male, this would be a fairly objective measure. But to suggest that all or most women find Shia LaBeouf attractive or hot, would be a joke. And yet the media and film industry keeps pushing him forwards as hot. NOT. Are you really having this conversation, TBF? 1
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 You don't go for those big-gut knights...what?!! No, of course a woman wants the complete package....but how quickly a man with a great physique becomes unattractive if he is very unconfident in himself. Can we stop with the confidence myth? A very attractive guy will have women throwing themselves at him. So lets be real here. Many girls have no problem leading the way if they want a guy they find very sexy.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 Same reason why most people would prefer a restaurant hamburger over a Mc Donalds hamburger. Is it really the same reason though...? Let's speak very broadly and say that the restaurant burger provides a better overall experience as the collective of taste, restaurant ambience, health, etc. Can you honestly say that a more physically attractive woman would provide you with a better female experience than a less physically attractive woman...?
january2011 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 How does marketing and advertising work? If attractiveness was purely subjective as you see it, then it'd be impossible to find appropriate human specimens to use in media. Instead, research and testing is conducted to find the most objectively attractive traits and the people who possess those traits in order to appeal to the widest audience. Hokie, mass marketing is very old school and a haphazard way of generating sustainable and profitable results. In other words, if you substitute "widest" for "target" then you might be onto something there. And I think it's probably much more accurate to talk about statistical significance when you measure, collate and analyse panellists' opinions rather refer to objectivity. Though admittedly I've been guilty of using the same terminology on here in the past for simplicity's sake.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 Hokie, mass marketing is very old school and a haphazard way of generating sustainable and profitable results. In other words, if you substitute "widest" for "target" then you might be onto something there. And I think it's probably much more accurate to talk about statistical significance when you measure, collate and analyse panellists' opinions rather refer to objectivity. Though admittedly I've been guilty of using the same terminology on here in the past for simplicity's sake. I only brought up "objectivity" in response to TBF's premise that physical attractiveness is exclusively a subjective construct. Whether you are talking about a target audience or a mass audience, there is still a representative idea of what is physically attractive, which can be seen as an objective result of subjective views.
SteveC80 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Can you honestly say that a more physically attractive woman would provide you with a better female experience than a less physically attractive woman...? Physically yes, just making out then having sex with a beautiful women gets me so aroused exploring her beautiful body then getting inside it The few times i had sex with women i was not thrilled about physically i just couldnt get into it and my soldier barely could either
oaks Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I don't know if I can buy the biological argument...if it were true, then we'd be heading towards the extinction of physically unattractive people, as they would be evolved out of the gene pool... Well, if we go only slightly further and say that there's a biological imperative to reproduce, perhaps the animal in me would rather have an unattractive mate than no mate.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 Well, if we go only slightly further and say that there's a biological imperative to reproduce, perhaps the animal in me would rather have an unattractive mate than no mate. True, but if physical attractiveness was an actual indicator of genetic superiority, then less attractive individuals would have a lower probability of survival, which I don't really see much evidence of...I'm not sure that the medical field assigns a lower life expectancy to less attractive people...which leads me to believe that it's societal conditioning rather than biological preference that it's the dominant factor in our desire for physical attractiveness... 1
january2011 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 there is still a representative idea of what is physically attractive, which can be seen as an objective result of subjective views. I'm going to have to disagree with you there, Hokie. A collection of subjective ratings on a Likert scale does not equate to objectivity/fact/a precise measurement of physical attractiveness. The cultural and temporal differences in perceptions of physical attractiveness are enough to dispute the idea that there is a universal measure of physical attractiveness that is both reliable (replicable) and valid across time and space.
oaks Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 So why do women have sex with guys who aren't hot...? Or who aren't as hot...? They get horny.
oaks Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 True, but if physical attractiveness was an actual indicator of genetic superiority, then less attractive individuals would have a lower probability of survival, which I don't really see much evidence of...I'm not sure that the medical field assigns a lower life expectancy to less attractive people...which leads me to believe that it's societal conditioning rather than biological preference that it's the dominant factor in our desire for physical attractiveness... I disagree. I'm going to have to give examples of unattractiveness... I hope that doesn't derail things. The skinny weakling won't survive the next harsh winter with no fat reserves and no strength to hunt. Oh, but we have Walmart and central heating and medicine now. The obese person (a modern phenomenon) is at higher risk of life-shortening conditions, though. But even if i agreed, you only have to get to, approximately, teenage years to reproduce even if you have short life expectancy. Merely surviving childhood is, potentially, long enough.
Andy_K Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I don't know if I can buy the biological argument...if it were true, then we'd be heading towards the extinction of physically unattractive people, as they would be evolved out of the gene pool... Do we still look like apes to you? We *have* evolved the most unattractive people out of the gene pool. But it's a very very slow process, so there's still a reasonable disparity in appearance
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