Mycteria Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 While we are talking about psychedelics I would like to say that everyone in the world should take magic mushrooms at least once a month. How can you understand your reality unless you truly test its limits or experience another reality? You can not. And mushrooms are the most effective tool for knowledge and understanding. Haha. I seriously doubt that most people could handle tripping once a month. Hell, most people couldn't handle tripping ever. People use all kinds of things as drugs and self-medicators - TV, food, alcohol, hard drugs, pain pills, anti-depressants, sex, meditation, dancing. One of mine is a little bit of weed. Agreed. It amazes me how people have no problem with alcohol or pharmaceuticals that turn people into zombies, but they automatically judge people who simply prefer other mind altering substances. In reality, everything we put into our bodies is a mind altering substance - even food. Weed is hardly the worst of these. As long as the person remains productive, who cares? 2
Ruby Slippers Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Agreed. It amazes me how people have no problem with alcohol or pharmaceuticals that turn people into zombies, but they automatically judge people who simply prefer other mind altering substances. In reality, everything we put into our bodies is a mind altering substance - even food. Weed is hardly the worst of these. As long as the person remains productive, who cares? Yeah, I have never understood the harsh judgment about weed. I think people who drink regularly have more problems than people who smoke regularly. 1
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) You sound kinda controlling and judgmental. Hopefully you'll grow out of that. Why butt-hurt at what I said? Its not controlling and judgemental. Did you simply forget the fact that I said I dont care about my friends smoking? Did you forget about where I said that a gf smoking doesnt bother me when its out of a vaporizer more often than not? How is it controlling to have a high interest in the peak ability of my body, especially as an athlete? Did you miss the part I said about Michael Phelps,or how its fine to inhale smoke every once in a while? I just said its a turn off to me if its a moderately occurring thing, as Im big on the health of my body. Whats so bad about that? Come on now. And dont try that condescending "grow out of it" stuff with me. Im no child. Seems to me that you simply ignored all the parts about me saying Im fine with weed, and dont like my criticism of it bringing smoke into the lungs....but I expect that since you toke up. Edited August 29, 2012 by kaylan
Mycteria Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 No, I can definitely see a clear-cut pattern among stoners. But is it because of the pot or because these people are just stupid? My argument is not that there aren't a bunch of idiot stoners. There certainly are. Just like there are idiot alcoholics. But it's not the pot that does it to them, they do it to themselves. Even if the pot lowers their productivity because of the affect it has on them, they are still chosing to smoke it. And once again, this is a pattern that YOU see based on the small population of stoners that YOU know. The ones that I know (because these are the only sort that I associate with) are extremely productive and some of the most intelligent people I know. If I based all of my views on these people, I would come to the conclusion that pot turns people into geniuses. But I don't base my conclusions solely on my personal observations, and neither should you. Who cares? I'm sure one in a million potheads has some cold-calculating intelligence, but what does the ability to run a business or have an engineering degree have to do with the type of intelligence I like in a friend or significant other? That is precisely what most stoners lack. High functioning retards are still retards. Again, this is still anecdotal. Take the guy I mentioned, for example. He is without a doubt the most intelligent person I have ever met. If you could not be mentally stimulated by him, then you probably couldn't be mentally stimulated by anyone. I don't like people who just melt into their couch, but people who jump to music all the time are not my kind either. I prefer stimulating conversation or pranks. I assure you, I and other people you would probably consider "stoners" are quite capable of intelligent conversation. It is usually NOT the pot that takes it away from people. And if it is, it's still their fault for smoking it if it has a negative impact on them. I don't particularly care about any of those people, but I'd like to note psychoactive drugs are very much different than pot. Mushrooms and other drugs can be interesting in a satisfying way compared to getting high. In the end though, if I had to pick I'd choose to do away with all drug culture. Pot is a psychoactive drug, without a doubt. It's not as strong as mushrooms, and it has differing affects for different people, but it is classiffied as a psychoactive. For me, it is extremely psychoactive. For others, it's a lay around on the couch type of drug. My point here is very simple. Do not judge a large group of people based on some personal anecdotal evidence of your own. It's just a bad idea in general. But if you still want to do so, be my guest. Won't upset me a bit! 1
weallfalldown Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 What if it was legal? Would that change how you see it? I don't think once a month is enough to fry your brain is it? I'm talking about LSD.....completely diff to weed........and a lot of it.
Mycteria Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I'm surprised the medical community published this , considering this weird and satirical drive in today's society/pop culture to make smoking weed legitimate and normal. Teens' use of pot may lead to lower IQs - San Jose Mercury News Excuse me, I don't know what you are getting at. I used to smoke pot regularly in high school and smoke once in a blue moon even today. You're not talking to some Amish kid that has never even had a cup of coffee, I've been on 90% of the substances you've mentioned. When I smoke pot, I become a moron. I find really stupid things funny, I come up with idiotic proverbs, and feel completely lethargic. If it wasn't for pot, this band would not exist - If it wasn't for pot, these two jackasses would not have lucrative careers If it wasn't for pot, nobody in the world would actually try and pass this slap in the face of art, as worthy of looking at : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Warhol-Campbell_Soup-1-screenprint-1968.jpg/170px-Warhol-Campbell_Soup-1-screenprint-1968.jpg Yes, pot makes people really stupid and immature, I don't care if one of your friends is a rocket scientist. Alright, clearly we just aren't going to agree. My point was to try to avoid judging a huge group of people based on your experiences with a few. Your experience isn't the same as everyone's. I could turn right around and say the opposite of everything you just said based on my experience and what I have seen among my friends who smoke. If I had a rocket scientist friend who toked up every day, it wouldn't make pot ok anymore than your anecdotal evidence of some idiot pot smokers makes pot a bad thing. The difference between us is that I'm not about to label such a diverse group of people based on my limited experience. I think it's a bad habit in general. By the way, I completely support the findings of that study. I firmly believe that any mind-altering substance is harmful to the developing brain. It's why I didn't start smoking until after 18. It was a conscious decision on my part. However, that study was also conducted in New Zealand, a strict anti-marijuana country. Of course they are going to find MJ to be harmful. I'm not saying the study isn't true, I'm just saying that there could easily be bias. I'm out of this discussion, as I don't think there is anymore I could say. Take care. 1
manup Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Never been a turn off for me - sh*t, if I had the lungs for it, I would still be doing it . Better to put it in a bong or a vaporizer though, it's healthier. Plus no need to dilute it with cigarette/tobacco, which is the real killer. son just eat some edibles
irc333 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Ditto here. I would not even spend time with people that did this. Being the son of a law enforcement officer, it makes sense. The legalities of this had been ingrained in me since childhood. So I the same feelings on usage. Also, get ready to be fired from your job if it shows up on a random drug test. I know of a few people who got their asses canned from WORK for using. The lungs? The law? How about the BRAIN? All the stoners I know are just complete morons. Grown ups who are still smoking pot are to me, the equivalent of 40 year skateboarders and 50 year old Harry Potter readers. There is absolutely no question that people who smoke a lot of weed have stunted minds/maturity. A lot of them think they're interesting and artistic, but that's only because they're really ****ing high . Most potheads are really boring to talk to, despite popular belief. You can make a short list of really dumb conversation topics right before people start passing around the bong, and all the topics will come up atleast once. Being stupid and goofy can be funny, but it seems stoners are always in "Hey look Goofy's a talking dog in a hat! ahahahaha" mode. And that's if you can even pry them away from youtube or the television, if not then you just sit there in boredom with the living dead.
KungFuJoe Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Pot isn't any worse than alcohol. It's all about moderation. If you drink on occasion...maybe just a few times a week and just a couple drinks...that's no problem. If smoke pot on occasion and don't let it get in the way of your responsibilities...that's no problem either.
Ruby Slippers Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 How is it controlling to have a high interest in the peak ability of my body, especially as an athlete? Did you miss the part I said about Michael Phelps,or how its fine to inhale smoke every once in a while? I just said its a turn off to me if its a moderately occurring thing, as Im big on the health of my body. A woman smoking occasionally has no impact on the health of YOUR body. That you would demand that your partner be AS concerned with respiratory purity as you are strikes me as odd. I like a man who's in shape and healthy, too. I'm in a bit better shape than my boyfriend, and I eat a healthier diet. But I haven't judged him for this. Gradually, he's noticing the difference, and he's commented that he wants to start working out and clean up his diet so he can be healthier and have more energy like I do. And now we're talking about nutrition, and he's inspiring me to clean up my diet even more. I'm sure that if we stick together, we're both just going to get healthier and more fit. All I'm saying is that if you automatically rule out someone who smokes occasionally (say, once a week, like me), you could be missing out on some cool people - people who would be open to adapting on that point. 1
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 All I'm saying is that if you automatically rule out someone who smokes occasionally (say, once a week, like me), you could be missing out on some cool people - people who would be open to adapting on that point. Not really. Think of a major turn off you have. Something that men do that turns you off. But let's say he only did it once a week. Wouldn't it still be an issue? I suppose it depends on how high it is on your turn off list. Drugs for me is pretty high. Might be number one on my list of turn offs, no matter the substance. So for a girl who does it once a week, that's still a pretty big turn off and not one I'd probaby let slide. If you're someone who can take it or leave it when it comes to pot smokers and don't care either way, then yeah, I'm sure you can work it out. 2
Author Hopeful30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 I'm surprised the medical community published this , considering this weird and satirical drive in today's society/pop culture to make smoking weed legitimate and normal. Teens' use of pot may lead to lower IQs - San Jose Mercury News Excuse me, I don't know what you are getting at. I used to smoke pot regularly in high school and smoke once in a blue moon even today. You're not talking to some Amish kid that has never even had a cup of coffee, I've been on 90% of the substances you've mentioned. When I smoke pot, I become a moron. I find really stupid things funny, I come up with idiotic proverbs, and feel completely lethargic. If it wasn't for pot, this band would not exist - If it wasn't for pot, these two jackasses would not have lucrative careers If it wasn't for pot, nobody in the world would actually try and pass this slap in the face of art, as worthy of looking at : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Warhol-Campbell_Soup-1-screenprint-1968.jpg/170px-Warhol-Campbell_Soup-1-screenprint-1968.jpg Yes, pot makes people really stupid and immature, I don't care if one of your friends is a rocket scientist. Just because its turns YOU into a moron (hahaha) doesnt mean it has the same affect on everybody you can stop trying to seem superior by making weed smokers like bad people, the question was if its a turn off, for you it is and you made it clear you can leave the thread now
Author Hopeful30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Ditto here. I would not even spend time with people that did this. Being the son of a law enforcement officer, it makes sense. The legalities of this had been ingrained in me since childhood. So I the same feelings on usage. Also, get ready to be fired from your job if it shows up on a random drug test. I know of a few people who got their asses canned from WORK for using. this is only US that does random drug tests so they have excuses to arrest people and take more money for the "drug war" that doesnt even exist i dont know anywhere else in the world, exept for athlete competitions, that want drug tests on people drug tests for work? really? thats so funny and hilarious i cant believe they do that, if it doesnt affect your performance then it doesnt matter if a person is addict to lsd or shrooms, if they are good workers and people anyways who cares what they do on their personal time Edited August 29, 2012 by Hopeful30
KungFuJoe Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Not really. Think of a major turn off you have. Something that men do that turns you off. But let's say he only did it once a week. Wouldn't it still be an issue? I suppose it depends on how high it is on your turn off list. Drugs for me is pretty high. Might be number one on my list of turn offs, no matter the substance. So for a girl who does it once a week, that's still a pretty big turn off and not one I'd probaby let slide. If you're someone who can take it or leave it when it comes to pot smokers and don't care either way, then yeah, I'm sure you can work it out. Do you differentiate between alcohol and weed...or are you against ANY kind of drug intake, legal and illegal?
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Do you differentiate between alcohol and weed...or are you against ANY kind of drug intake, legal and illegal? Like I said on the previous page, I think it's silly for weed to be illegal, especially when alcohol kills people every day in one form or another. Whether drunk driving or alcohol poisoning etc. However, it's just different psychologically for me. I definitely wouldn't date someone who was a heavy drinker, but if she drank on occasion in social gatherings, I wouldn't have a problem. It's probably the same reason when people mention these things they say "drugs and alcohol" and not just drugs. Alcohol, at least socially, is seen as different than drugs, although it's a controlled substance. 1
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 A woman smoking occasionally has no impact on the health of YOUR body. That you would demand that your partner be AS concerned with respiratory purity as you are strikes me as odd. So because it doesnt affect my body Im not allowed to be turned off by it? Then people who are turned off by cigarettes and over eating should just get over it, since it doesnt affect their body? Come on now. The only reason you have a problem with what I am saying is because you smoke pot and see my opinion as an attack on you, which it wasnt. I simply find smoke inhalation a turn off. People demand many different things in a partner ALL the time. Its about compatibility, and fitness is a HUGE deal to me. Get over it.. I like a man who's in shape and healthy, too. I'm in a bit better shape than my boyfriend, and I eat a healthier diet. But I haven't judged him for this. Gradually, he's noticing the difference, and he's commented that he wants to start working out and clean up his diet so he can be healthier and have more energy like I do. And now we're talking about nutrition, and he's inspiring me to clean up my diet even more. I'm sure that if we stick together, we're both just going to get healthier and more fit.Thats on you. I need someone who eats healthy, works out, and stays fit. Just because you can deal with someone whos not as fit as you doesnt mean everyone else can or wants to. People try to date folks who are similar to them all the time, and here you are giving me grief because something I dislike is something you do yourself. As I said, I dont mind pot at all, which is why I back vaping....but smoke inhalation is a turn off. Thats a compromise if I heard of one...yet you dislike it. All I'm saying is that if you automatically rule out someone who smokes occasionally (say, once a week, like me), you could be missing out on some cool people - people who would be open to adapting on that point.A turn off is a turn off. Even if its once a week. Stop taking it as a slight against you. You know my point makes sense, but you cannot seem to separate yourself from the smoking I criticize. Its possibly I miss out on cool people, but why would you want me to give someone a chance if something they do really turns me off? I dont date people in hopes they adapt to me. I dont try to change women. I simply try to find a girl whos like me...and theres plenty of girls out there who are fitness gals and dont smoke. Most serious athletic types dont because it impacts performance and they view their body the way I do. I want to keep it clean. Once a week is more than enough for me to be turned off a bit. Didnt the thread ask about twice a month, and didnt I say that wouldnt bother me much at all? 1
VodkaShots Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I don't particularly care about any of those people, but I'd like to note psychoactive drugs are very much different than pot. Mushrooms and other drugs can be interesting in a satisfying way compared to getting high. In the end though, if I had to pick I'd choose to do away with all drug culture. Does that go for getting drunk too? Or does alcohol not count as a drug in your mind because the state tells you its okay to consume?
KungFuJoe Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Like I said on the previous page, I think it's silly for weed to be illegal, especially when alcohol kills people every day in one form or another. Whether drunk driving or alcohol poisoning etc. However, it's just different psychologically for me. I definitely wouldn't date someone who was a heavy drinker, but if she drank on occasion in social gatherings, I wouldn't have a problem. It's probably the same reason when people mention these things they say "drugs and alcohol" and not just drugs. Alcohol, at least socially, is seen as different than drugs, although it's a controlled substance. Maybe I'm confusing you for someone else. Did you say you would not date anyone who just smoked weed occasionally?
KungFuJoe Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 DrGoebbles, Are casual pot smokers all morons? I guess I should say that by casual, I mean maybe once a night.
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Maybe I'm confusing you for someone else. Did you say you would not date anyone who just smoked weed occasionally? That's me. I wouldn't date someone who smoked pot. Whether one a week or once a month or once a year. Pot is not my thing. Drinking is different psychologically for me. I can tolerate moderate social drinking.
kaylan Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Why is anyone even engaging Goebbels. Despite numerous examples he chooses to remain ignorant of the fact that people from all walks of life smoke weed. From the burnt out loser, to the Olympic champions (Michael Phelps), to those in academia preparing our youth for the future (my college professor). Let him be willfully blind and incorrect. Pot affects everyone's life differently. Edited August 29, 2012 by kaylan 1
KungFuJoe Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 That's me. I wouldn't date someone who smoked pot. Whether one a week or once a month or once a year. Pot is not my thing. Drinking is different psychologically for me. I can tolerate moderate social drinking. Why? What is so bad about smoking pot?
MrCastle Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 Why? What is so bad about smoking pot? It's not my thing. Drugs are a major major turn off to me. Even something as lite as pot. I have friends who smoke it on rare occasions, and that's fine, because I don't have to date them. If someone I'm dating does it, I find it unattractive.
Quiet Storm Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 I'm not lazy, overweight, dumb, unemployed or unmotivated. I have a house in a nice suburb, three great kids, a good job and a satisfying marriage. The key is to not let it rule you. I believe it is less risky than alcohol, but that's just my personal opinion. My father was an alcoholic and caused so much havoc in my family. He switched to weed and is now calm and content. There is not nearly as much drama or bad behavior.
Author Hopeful30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 It's probably the same reason when people mention these things they say "drugs and alcohol" and not just drugs. Alcohol, at least socially, is seen as different than drugs, although it's a controlled substance. What if marijuana became legal and more socially accepted? would your view on it change? It's not my thing. Drugs are a major major turn off to me. Even something as lite as pot. I have friends who smoke it on rare occasions, and that's fine, because I don't have to date them. If someone I'm dating does it, I find it unattractive. what if you fell in love with the girl and only found out later? would that be enough to turn you off of her even if she is pretty amazing?
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