Woggle Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 It depends on what it is. My wife has tried certain drugs back in the day and it doesn't bother me at all. On the hand if she had a violent history it would be a completely different story.
pteromom Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 In your scenario, I would NOT date them. Whether they are innocent or not, 20 years in prison is going to form some attitudes and beliefs that I would not like to have in my life. If someone did something when they were young and stupid many years ago and did NOT have to serve a lot of time for it, no problem. I was with one guy who spent a couple of years in jail for selling drugs in his 20s, and when he got out, he went completely sober and turned into a productive citizen. So it depends on the situation and on the person in most cases. I agree - if it was for murder, child abuse, rape, armed robbery - then no.
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Mme. Chaucer Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Could you date someone with a criminal past? Ohhh yeah.
Crusoe Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Well, dealing drugs is basically the criminalized equivalent of selling cigarettes and alcohol - catering to the demands of those who chose to ruin their bodies. So I don't think dealing drugs is morally wrong or takes a bad person. Drug dealers, just by selling stuff, don't hurt anyone. They cater to those who made a habit of hurting themselves - just like smokers and boozeheads. No? Isn't the trick of most dealers to catch them young, get them hooked and in doing so create a market to sell to, regardless of the harm caused? A few years back a dealer came into the area I live. What was once a nice quiet area soon came to be the stomping ground of gangs, and local kids, young kids, were being led astray. On the weekends gangs of Yardies would come down from the Smoke to supply the dealer and he would sell to the kids. All of a sudden an area of no crime was seeing burglary, theft, muggings, rape, vandalism etc. The fella that was head of the neighbourhood watch called the police many times. Every time he was told that they were either busy or that the dealer wasn't big enough for them to waste their time on. One day this fella came home from work to see the dealer trying to push gear onto a neighbours 7 year old son. This fella decided something had to be done and so, knowing the law would do nothing, dealt with it himself. He was done for ABH, GBH, criminal damage and forced to pay the dealer compensation. The dealer never set foot in the area again and crime immediately disappeared. Who was the criminal? Who was the bad person? And who was morally wrong? The fella with the record, or the dealer that sells drugs to kids and leaves a path of destruction behind him? Edited August 23, 2012 by Crusoe
TaraMaiden Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 This happened in the UK (bear in mind gun laws are draconian here...) and is a true story, AFAIA. Old fellah looks out of his (darkened) bedroom window one evening, to see a torchlight flickering in his shed. There are thieves carefully picking their way through is not inconsiderable collection of carpenter's tools, and laying them out on the lawn... He calls the Police. They say they have nobody in the area, and he will have to wait around an hour to see anyone turn up. He hangs up. he calls them back two minutes later. "Hello? It's Mr. *name* here. I called you 2 minutes ago about two fellas robbing my tools out of my shed? Well, don't worry, I shot them. One I think is badly wounded, the other own can't move because I shot him in the foot. Just thought you'd like to know, thanks." Hangs up. Less than three minutes later, three police cars, 8 officers and an ambulance turn up, find the two would-be thieves - perfectly unharmed - and arrest them. Police officer to elderly man: "I thought you said you'd shot them?" Elderly man, in reply: "And I thought you said nobody was available for at least an hour...."
pteromom Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 ^Have I ever told you how much I love your screen name. Its funny and it reminds me of the days when my mom would tape Power Rangers on VHS as a kid. I had a huge crush on the pink power ranger, and her dinosaur zord (machine fighting robot) was a pterodactyl. That's awesome!!!! When I joined LS, I didn't want to use my "usual" screen name for obvious reasons. So I sat here pondering... "What am I?" Well - I'm a mom. Duh. What kind of mom?" And I remembered one time I had this dream in which I was a pterodactyl. You know how sometimes you have a dream that is SO realistic that you wake up thinking it was real? Well, in this dream, I was a pterodactyl, and I was flying and I could actually feel the wind and the temperature of the air and see the ground whooshing past. I flexed my muscles to flap my wings, and I could feel the exertion I was putting into it and the resulting burst of momentum. I woke up SO SAD that I was not flying. So anyway, I like to think I was a pterodactyl in a past life and some part of me remembers what it was like. Anyway, so I became pteromom. How's that for a crazy book about a simple user name? LOL
Woggle Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Selling drugs is a grey area. I have a friend who is a weed dealer who makes tons of money but otherwise he is a good guy. I also don't find anything morally wrong with weed anyway.
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Selling drugs is a grey area. I have a friend who is a weed dealer who makes tons of money but otherwise he is a good guy. I also don't find anything morally wrong with weed anyway. It should be treated like any other legitimate business. I don't smoke and never have, but I think it's crazy to send people to jail over a plant that grows naturally.
irin Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 it absolutely depends on the crime, murder, rape, hell nooo, others stuff, would depend on the situation and circumstances. sometimes the law isnt fair.
fucpcg Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 First of all, I do not trust Cops and the legal system. Second, people wrongfully go to jail for **** all the time. You want to see two REALLY powerful documentaries on people who were knowing framed by the legal system itself? Murder On A Sunday Morning - Part 1 - YouTube I guarantee you, you will crap your drawers if you watch these two films. NEXT, I should have been landed in jail many of times myself. When you are young and wild in your 20's, **** can happen. I currently have one of my best friends in jail for involuntary homicide. He hit an insanely intoxicated girl crawling, yes crawling, across a 6 lane street in a snow storm. He had some drinks himself that day, and was under limit, but held liable for the charge I mentioned. There are many people in jail you want to avoid like the plague, and many in there that shouldn't be. Ever see the story about the Pennsylvainia Judges sentencing children to prison terms for BS charges, because they were getting kick backs from the privately owned prisons? Search that on Google and crap your drawers again. This world is F'd
mortensorchid Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 This is a sticky situation. Suppose that someone you know has some kind of criminal past or served jail time, you never knew about it, and then suddenly you did. How? Did you Google it or did they tell you about it? And at what point and nature of the relationship are you now? I've had a few friends (and I admit, boyfriends) past who got into trouble. I never knew about some of it, some I did. DUIs. They learned their lessons and moved on. But are we talking about a real criminal charge? If we are, then that's another problem.
Els Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Well yeah, this is different. Thatd be manslaughter and losing yourself in the moment of self defense. I dont fault her at all. Rape is horrible...and it pains me that women ever have to go through such a thing. And Im pissed shes going to jail...could you link me the story? I hope she has people fighting to keep her out of prison. Self defense is entirely different to me than premeditated murder. Id date that lady. The guy got what he deserved for being a jerk. Because who knows if he may have killed her had she not been able to fight back. Woman jailed for homicide - Story | The Star Online I like how they termed it only 'pressuring her to have sex with him' despite the fact that there was evidence that he broke into the house. I'm sure all he did was 'pressure' her, after he went to all the trouble of breaking in. The story has been circulating around FB, but I doubt anyone can do anything about it.
VodkaShots Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Not if the criminal history is to do with: - Any form of child abuse - Any form of domestic abuse - Any form of animal abuse - Rape / Sexual Assault - Crimes against elderly or vulnerable people - Gang-related crimes Those are absolute deal breakers. Murder/terrorism goes without saying, but it's highly unlikely I'll ever meet a convicted murderer or terrorist. I honestly wouldn't care about convictions/cautions for really petty offences such as illegal drug possession for personal use (unless he's a heroin junkie or something, but that's a different matter, I'm talking about casual use), drunk + disorderly, public disorder or anything like that. I'd be weary of someone with theft-related convictions, especially burglary, but I could probably let it slide if it was a one-off in the past or something. Minor/moderate violent offences such as assault and GBH.. depends on circumstances. It's not really in black and white. There's a difference between punching someone in the face and breaking their nose because they were provoking you to getting drunk and beating up some random person in the street for the "lulz". Anyway, moral of the story is: don't associate with criminals in any shape or form. A bit of a mass generalisation there. How do you define a "criminal"? There's a world of difference between someone who comes from a gangster family and has multiple convictions for this, that and the other to someone who got their wrists slapped once or twice for shoplifting or being caught with an eighth of weed. Plus some "crimes" shouldn't really even be crimes in the first place, IMO. Edited August 24, 2012 by VodkaShots
madjac74 Posted August 24, 2012 Posted August 24, 2012 Often people who committed crimes are the most honest people because they are afraid of you not liking them based on a mistake they made.
Ugh1 Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 Well, dealing drugs is basically the criminalized equivalent of selling cigarettes and alcohol - catering to the demands of those who chose to ruin their bodies. So I don't think dealing drugs is morally wrong or takes a bad person. Drug dealers, just by selling stuff, don't hurt anyone. They cater to those who made a habit of hurting themselves - just like smokers and boozeheads. Unless they are pushing and selling drugs to my kids. They like to get them young to keep them a customer. Yes, selling drugs is wrong and it isn't like selling cigs and alcohol. How can you compare that to someone selling meth to a 16 year old.
RedRobin Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 No... for the same reason I would not knowingly date a recovering alcoholic, addict of any kind... and likely not bankruptcy or major debt issues... I don't have any of these burdens, so I don't feel the need to take on someone else's that way. I realize that in this day and age, that makes my dating pool smaller, but oh well... When I'm not dating anyone at least things are 'stable'.... Things could be worse... MUCH worse if one makes a bad judgement. So no, not going there.
Quiet Storm Posted September 8, 2012 Posted September 8, 2012 I am married, so I don't date, but I'll give my opinion. It would depend on the offense. To me, smoking weed is not sneaky, it doesn't involve lying, or hurting other people, so I'd excuse it. If it was a very addictive drugs, such as heroin, I would be very concerned, not because of the criminality, but because those kinda drugs rule you, and I wouldn't want him selling our cars for dope. If it was theft, or involved hurting others (without the other guy swinging first), I may consider it a character flaw. Anything underhanded or sneaky is suspicious to me and makes me thing people are character flawed. I think the more someone lies, the easier and more automatic it becomes. Anything that involves harming others is wrong. However, if someone attacks you, such as a bar fight, and they take everyone to jail, I would consider those circumstances.
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