ThaWholigan Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 ....and guys have the nerve to call women "shallow". Women ARE shallow too. Face it, men and women like looks just as much as each other. Now go and be sexy, you sexy bitch 1
Author StillReigning Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Women ARE shallow too. Face it, men and women like looks just as much as each other. Now go and be sexy, you sexy bitch I think women are more forgiving of body flaws while men are more forgiving of a woman's lack of success/income In terms of the face, it's about the same
ThaWholigan Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I think women are more forgiving of body flaws while men are more forgiving of a woman's lack of success/income In terms of the face, it's about the same I say it again - it varies between each individual. For every woman I meet who is attracted to more internal characteristics - there is a woman who likes physically attractive men (or shallow women). I don't even think it's that shallow to want someone you're physically attracted to.
Author StillReigning Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 I say it again - it varies between each individual. For every woman I meet who is attracted to more internal characteristics - there is a woman who likes physically attractive men (or shallow women). I don't even think it's that shallow to want someone you're physically attracted to. I still say there's a big difference in how much men/women like male body and how much men/women are attracted to income/success You'll see plenty of successful guys dating waitresses, you'll never see a successful women dating a waitress. You'll see plenty of women with hot bodies dating guys with average bodies, you'll never see a fitness model guy dating a chick with no body 1
ThaWholigan Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I still say there's a big difference in how much men/women like male body and how much men/women are attracted to income/success You'll see plenty of successful guys dating waitresses, you'll never see a successful women dating a waitress. You'll see plenty of women with hot bodies dating guys with average bodies, you'll never see a fitness model guy dating a chick with no body I'd say there is a significant difference, I agree. I see many exceptions to the rule that makes me question how big a difference it is, but it's still a sizable one.
Author StillReigning Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 I'd say there is a significant difference, I agree. I see many exceptions to the rule that makes me question how big a difference it is, but it's still a sizable one. The reason for the difference is evolutionary psychology Men like a woman with a hot body because it means that she's a great candidate for childbirth. Obviously guys don't have kids so it's not as important. It's important for the guy to have income/resources because his primary duty in childbirth is providing for the child/woman (in terms of evolutionary psychology) The face is very important for both because people want healthy/good looking kids
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 It's because we like women's bodies. There's nothing sinister about it, it just is. You could just make a thread if you really think that's the case. "name attractive traits about women that don't include her body". Simples . Where did I say it was sinister? My point is only that I think men go overboard and don't have balance in this regard. They make the way a woman looks the most important thing about her. And I have made such threads. They never prove to be as popular with men as evaluating women's bodies. 2
Author StillReigning Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Where did I say it was sinister? My point is only that I think men go overboard and don't have balance in this regard. They make the way a woman looks the most important thing about her. Read my post above yours Women are just as concerned about success/income as men are concerned about the female body. IMO they're not going to say it as often because they don't want to be labeled sluts or gold diggers while men have no problem saying it because of social conditioning Neither way is the "right" way to be. It's not any less shallow to be attracted to a 1000K income than it is to be attracted to a nice ass and big tits. The only people who complain about men's preferences in women don't understand evolutionary psychology Truth be told, things get more and more equal as time goes on. I feel like men care a lot about personality traits nowadays, probably much more than 50 years ago
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Women ARE shallow too. Face it, men and women like looks just as much as each other. Now go and be sexy, you sexy bitch Only if you do first you sexy Assh*le. P.S. How come "bitch" doesn't get blocked out but when I oringally typed "assh*le" it did? Is "bitch" not a curse word??? 2
ThaWholigan Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Where did I say it was sinister? My point is only that I think men go overboard and don't have balance in this regard. They make the way a woman looks the most important thing about her. What exactly is overboard? And what is the balance? It's not the most important thing about her, but sometimes it's the thing that makes us most attracted to her. That's not wrong in my opinion, that's just how it's always been in as far as I see it. And I have made such threads. They never prove to be as popular with men as evaluating women's bodies.Well make another one. I believe I've contributed to those threads more than once. Just make another one, and word it better
ThaWholigan Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Only if you do first you sexy Assh*le. P.S. How come "bitch" doesn't get blocked out but when I oringally typed "assh*le" it did? Is "bitch" not a curse word??? Already doing it P.S. I don't know either
Lonely Ronin Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Where did I say it was sinister? My point is only that I think men go overboard and don't have balance in this regard. They make the way a woman looks the most important thing about her. And I have made such threads. They never prove to be as popular with men as evaluating women's bodies. Sinister is probably the wrong word. However imo when someone reads enough of your posts, they pick up on your strong opinion about how men are attracted to women physically. I don't know what it is, but I sense something. I'm not sure if it's disappointment, resentment, anger, or what but it's something and it always seems to be just under the surface. The other thing you get grief for, is how you express your opinion a lot of the time. You just say men, as if you have talked to all of us and confirmed we all think and want the same things. You don't regularly, and probably should IMO say: 1. based on my experiences 2. some men, or a few men 3. immature men 4. subset BLANK
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 ThaWholigan; What exactly is overboard? And what is the balance? What I see displayed a lot of the time. Whenever those threads crop up about men posting what they like, I think I would be more open to them if they weren't done so freaking often. I am tired of hearing guy's opinions on women's bodies. I am tired that this is all a lot of men seem capable of communicating more then anything else. It's one thing to think women are sexy and know what you like. What I see among people, men and women, and culture today seems out of balance. And yes, sadly, I think porn has made it even worse. It's not the most important thing about her, but sometimes it's the thing that makes us most attracted to her. That's not wrong in my opinion, that's just how it's always been in as far as I see it. If it wasn't the most important thing then men would talk about other things. Well make another one. I believe I've contributed to those threads more than once. Just make another one, and word it better I'm tired of making those threads. Someone else can make them. 3
FitChick Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Job description for someone extremely confident and caring (not to mention a great body) would be firefighter.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Sinister is probably the wrong word. However imo when someone reads enough of your posts, they pick up on your strong opinion about how men are attracted to women physically. I don't know what it is, but I sense something. I'm not sure if it's disappointment, resentment, anger, or what but it's something and it always seems to be just under the surface. The other thing you get grief for, is how you express your opinion a lot of the time. You just say men, as if you have talked to all of us and confirmed we all think and want the same things. You don't regularly, and probably should IMO say: 1. based on my experiences 2. some men, or a few men 3. immature men 4. subset BLANK If you want to talk to me personally about me, pm me. Otherwise, I am tired of being up for board dissection. I am tired of you people acting like your perfect individuals with no issues or that somehow what you think is far superior to me.
Author StillReigning Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Job description for someone extremely confident and caring (not to mention a great body) would be firefighter. Agreed, women go crazy for beefcake types with a good heart
Lonely Ronin Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 What I see displayed a lot of the time. Whenever those threads crop up about men posting what they like, I think I would be more open to them if they weren't done so freaking often. I am tired of hearing guy's opinions on women's bodies. I am tired that this is all a lot of men seem capable of communicating more then anything else. Do you think the subset of men that post on LS adequately represent the wants/needs/desires of the few billion that don't? I am tired of being up for board dissection. IMO anyone who posts on a public discussion forum opens themselves up to dissection, and the more you post the easier it is, because the more information people know about you. I am tired of you people acting like your perfect individuals with no issues or that somehow what you think is far superior to me. Did I say I have no issues, No. Did I say I'm in any way superior to you, No. Don't put words in my mouth.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 Lonely Ronin Do you think the subset of men that post on LS adequately represent the wants/needs/desires of the few billion that don't? I don't know to be hoenst. I wonder sometimes how much men in the real world think like this and just don't say the things that men on LS do. IMO anyone who posts on a public discussion forum opens themselves up to dissection, and the more you post the easier it is, because the more information people know about you. Then do it in private. Like I suggested. Don't do it on a thread that isn't about me. Did I say I have no issues, No. Did I say I'm in any way superior to you, No. Don't put words in my mouth. Fair enough. I just got really frustrated.
William Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 I got confused as to what the topic was, reading the most recent posts here and glancing up at the thread title. I'll call a Stage One on this thread and advise posters to remain on topic. Characterizations and dissections can occur via PM. Thanks.
mesmerized Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 I totally agree that women don't care about "EXTRMELEY confident". Personally, I even dislike it! Insecurities make us human. If a man has no insecurity whatsoever, I would think hes from a different species or something. We do like confidence and a man who is comfortable in his own skin but I think it's simplistic to say that men are just attracted to "looks" and women to "confidence". There are a lot of other factors involved. The last guy I liked was actually insecure in certain things and it didn't bother me, in fact it made him even more adorable/likable to me.
kaylan Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 Nice guys are often insecure because they are unattractive..... Jerks are often confident because women flock to them because of looks. Confidence is no magic bullet that will make you attractive to women but some will fall for it. I dont ever agree with this guy, but this post is correct. Confidence isnt what gets the girl. He being attracted to you in the first place boosts your confidence.
Titanwolf Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 Just to clarify. Isn't the extreme of confidence, arrogance?. Few women want a man that's arrogant. There has to be a happy medium. For a sizable amount of women, self-assured with a moderate level of sensitivity (enough to show genuine empathy and compromise) will suffice. 2
kaylan Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 I totally agree that women don't care about "EXTRMELEY confident". Personally, I even dislike it! Insecurities make us human. If a man has no insecurity whatsoever, I would think hes from a different species or something. We do like confidence and a man who is comfortable in his own skin but I think it's simplistic to say that men are just attracted to "looks" and women to "confidence". There are a lot of other factors involved. The last guy I liked was actually insecure in certain things and it didn't bother me, in fact it made him even more adorable/likable to me. This. Both men and women like looks and confidence. The folks who still want to believe women dont care as much for looks, are the folks who arent living in 2012.
USMCHokie Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Just to clarify. Isn't the extreme of confidence, arrogance?. Few women want a man that's arrogant. No, I would not agree. I personally define arrogance simply as the need for others to know you're confident. That is, arrogance is externally motivated and projected, while confidence is entirely an internal construct that is reflected externally through one's behaviors and actions. Put another way, one can be confident without anyone else knowing it, while one is arrogant when he wants everyone else to know it.
Titanwolf Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 No, I would not agree. I personally define arrogance simply as the need for others to know you're confident. That is, arrogance is externally motivated and projected, while confidence is entirely an internal construct that is reflected externally through one's behaviors and actions. Put another way, one can be confident without anyone else knowing it, while one is arrogant when he wants everyone else to know it. I thought arrogance was excessive pride, to the point where you view yourself as superior. That's my definition anyway. Over bearing pride. Whereas self-confidence is being assured of yourself and your abilities. When someone becomes OVER confident, they develop a mentality of superiority, that they can never fail or be in the wrong and THAT is when it becomes arrogance.
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