Are tattoos a turn off to any other men?

[MercuryMorrison1]

Absolutely not. I'm tired of this care-bear everyone has feelings bull crap that gets shoved down our throats all the time which permits poor behavior with nothing more than a "let's talk about it" consequence.

 

Fact is, a solid, functioning society cannot exist if people just do whatever they want. Just like a family, a father needs to discipline his kids and teach them right from wrong, something that moral relativists will tell you there is no right or wrong, just different opinions. That is unacceptable, and it must stop. I'm persecuted in my own country for believing in God, while hippies and drug addicts are glamorized and honored for lechery?

 

People are usually not in their right minds when they get tattooed, as evidenced by the fact that even those who have them or are somewhat indifferent to them will say that the majority of tattoos are ugly!

 

Though I agree somewhat about your ''carebear'' anology on modern society. I strongly disagree about your mindset on tattos. Plenty of people get tattos in the most concious and aware state of mind possible. I have friends and even family who have tattos that they don't regret getting. I get the impression that you shoe box people who have tattos into a certian catagory, the same you would a serial killer and/or rapist. Just because someone has some body art doesn't make them a bad person.

 

I'm not even close to being a man of religion. But it is aggervating how cavaler people like you can ''condem'' others to hell for not sharing the same belife or having the same opinion as yourself.

[kaylan]

See, there's a difference between indignation and indifference.

Again, you are making my point. You are a terrible example of a religious person, because though you speak of God, you do not behave godly yourself...and showing indignation towards others will not get you through the gates of heaven. Your behavior in this thread has not been one of indifference in the slightest, and anyone whos read your posts can see that.

 

Again, you are simply a pathetic little man whos butt-hurt at the fact that many people like and enjoy having tattoos. Stop worrying about whats not affecting your life. Cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

Maybe if you spent some time reading books instead of staring at your body marks you'd understand that.

Look here guy...I most likely read a great deal more than you, and can assure you I am much more cultured and learned than you. Your behavior in this thread is not of a person who is adept at comprehension or understanding. If it was then you could see what people are telling you and deal with the facts without getting so emotionally attached to a pointless argument.

You will be punished. That's not up to me, that's up to God. Deny Him and face his WRATH!

Lmao...keep wishing that buddy. Keep believing in fairy tales. The funny thing is that when judgmental religious folks such as yourself say "its up to god" and then go on to mention Gods wrath, you know for a fact you are hoping "he get whats coming to him". Your heart isnt pure yourself...because a TRULY godly man would not beahve the way you are in this thread. He would kindly offer his opinion and guidance to others. Not cite Gods wrath and sling judgements and make hateful remarks toward others.

 

How hypocritical of you.

 

PS - Y U MAD THO?

Edited August 16, 2012 by kaylan

[Emilia]

When I was in my teens and twenties, most of the people who got tattoos and body piercings had elected to drop out of society. It didn't matter to them if they looked unemployable, because they felt so marginalised from mainstream society that they couldn't envisage themselves ever slotting into it. There was also, round about that time, a strong rebellion against the spirit of corporatism that was in its foetal stages and now has a strong grip of society.

 

They called it anti-capitalist, but capitalism is an essential part of a functioning economy. I think perhaps the rebellion was more against some of the handmaidens to capitalism. PR, marketing men and the governments who preferred such things to authenticity (demonstrated by the extent to which leading government figures increasingly allowed themselves to be made over by the PR people...Margaret Thatcher and George Bush snr being particular examples of that).

 

The Twitter generation really do buy the heavily marketed dross that celebrities are paid to promote on twitter. PUA - inspired by the marketing industry - muscles in in on relationships between men and women. Encouraging men to objectify and commodify not only the women they're interested, but themselves. Learning to "market" themselves as high value. "Peacocking". Taking elements of the style traditionally associated with the marginalised in society. Using those elements in an attempt to project a "bad boy" style that marketing (or wannabe marketing) types keep insisting women prefer, however cheesy and hideously inauthentic a lot of us might find it.

 

The PR and marketing industry now dominate in every area of life. Even traditionally helping, strongly ethical, professions have fallen prey to it. It's no longer good enough to be a skilled, ethical professional. You have to either be a marketing whizzkid or be prepared to hand over a lot of cash to marketing whizzkids in order to make a living. Same goes for creative professions. Artists, musicians, writers....they're all reliant on marketing to make a living. Our very souls have become things to be marketed...and I think this is where the anger about tattoos sets in.

 

We all know, by now, that despite creative people often being anti-capitalist, sooner or later all art must allow itself to become commercialised to some extent if its creator is to make a living. Here's a thing (I hesitate to call it a "piece") about temporary corporate tattoos being a "cool and sexy marketing tool".

 

Corporarte Logo Tattoos

 

 

If there is such a thing as body art, which should be taken seriously and accepted by the mainstream as a valid artform, then there is the inevitable potential for body art to become used as a marketing tool. Which has, in fact, already happened....and will probably happen on an increased basis as people become more and more desperate for money.

 

http://www.businessideas.net/blog/10-corporate-logos-inked-for-life

 

It's the natural way for the increasing popularity of tattooing to go. Branding people. I'm not a fan of the angry posts on here. I don't agree with the way that anger being channelled....but if the underlying anger relates to the pressure on people to commodify and market themselves (on Facebook, dating sites, via narcissistic "self improvement" training etc) in order to stay in the game of life, then I think I can sympathise with it. Today, body art. Tomorrow, being open to the notion of corporate branding if the price is right.

 

You are too smart for your own good. I'm framing this

[Taramere]

You are too smart for your own good. I'm framing this

 

Too smart for the rich, not smart enough to be rich myself. Maybe I should get that tattooed on my arm.

 

That story about the woman getting the casino address tattooed on her forehead brought together a lot of feelings I have about this subject, E. My brother and SIL both have tattooes. My 9 year old niece quite often wears these transfer tattooes that she gets from magazines...and so I think it's very likely that she will get a tattoo when she's older. I would like to try to present her with a different perspective, but it's difficult to do without causing family ructions and just alienating everybody/making them feel judged.

 

As more people devote a lot of time to the business of marketing, it becomes harder for brands to find ways of standing out...and the logical progression is for them to use actual people as an advertising medium. If it follows the usual route marketing seems to go, initially it would be very crass and obvious as with those ads in the site I linked. The Wal-Mart tramp stamp being particularly hideous as it conjures up images of people bending over to let themselves get shafted by big business. It wouldn't surprise me if that guy didn't even get paid for the tattoo...such is the mindset of some people.

 

Anyway, initially crass and awful advertising...and then, as marketing theory surrounding the human body as a marketing tool becomes more sophisticated, and as more and more people become open to the idea of being a billboard "as long as it isn't too tacky" these tattoo ads would become more subtle and artistic...until it got to the point where you had to really concentrate to figure out which people's tattoos were a form of self expression, and which were a form of corporate advertising.

[kaylan]

Tattoo ads will never become anything close to common....lets be real here. The only people doing this are the extremely desperate folks out there, and they are far from the norm when it comes to tattooed folks. So I dunno why you are adding fire to the already negative flames here.

[OhMiki]

Absolutely not. I'm tired of this care-bear everyone has feelings bull crap that gets shoved down our throats all the time which permits poor behavior with nothing more than a "let's talk about it" consequence.

 

Fact is, a solid, functioning society cannot exist if people just do whatever they want. Just like a family, a father needs to discipline his kids and teach them right from wrong, something that moral relativists will tell you there is no right or wrong, just different opinions. That is unacceptable, and it must stop. I'm persecuted in my own country for believing in God, while hippies and drug addicts are glamorized and honored for lechery?

 

People are usually not in their right minds when they get tattooed, as evidenced by the fact that even those who have them or are somewhat indifferent to them will say that the majority of tattoos are ugly!

 

Fact is, unfortunately, you are yet again jumping to conclusions as to who those with tattoos even are as people in general. There is no set of 'morals' that all tattooed people have in common, except one thing: they all have tattoos and support that type of self-expression through that outlet. From there it varies, and it doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong as you believe you do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it really seems as if you are lumping in more assumptions than necessary now.

 

There are different opinions when it comes to certain things, yes. But I don't think most tattooed people are morally out of whack simply because they have tattoos. I have not met one tattooed person who thinks murder is okay, who thinks that everybody should do and support drugs, who think it's completely okay to be promiscuous, and so on. I haven't met any who think it's okay to just "do whatever they want" without consequences. As far as self-expression and your body, sure, but we all know that comes with limits. There are a very strict set of beliefs that most humans believe are plainly right and wrong -- the ones that directly harm others without their consent. The rest, yes, is up for public opinion. That's how it is, that's how it's always been, and that is likely how it will remain.

 

People who have tattoos can and do teach their kids right from wrong. They can still teach their kids to be kind to others, to value other people's beliefs, to respect others, and generally how to be a good and productive citizen of society. Those things are not exclusive to religion or non-tattooed people. So my question is, how did you come to the elusive conclusion that just because a person may have tattoos, supports them or is indifferent, that this suddenly means they are totally incapable of using moral reason in other areas of life? That everyone should just "do what they want"? You are taking the support of an art form, tattooing, and transferring that to support of other behaviors which clearly go against your beliefs. I'd think a person would know better. Just like I do not assume someone doesn't know right from wrong when I find out they believe in a certain religion, as I have met Christians and people of other faiths who believe in (for example) abortion in certain cases, and people with body art who don't believe in it at all.

Edited August 16, 2012 by OhMiki

[Taramere]

Tattoo ads will never become anything close to common....lets be real here. The only people doing this are the extremely desperate folks out there, and they are far from the norm when it comes to tattooed folks. So I dunno why you are adding fire to the already negative flames here.

 

I've been on this globe a fair bit longer than you Kaylan, and it's taught me a bit about how often things that "will never catch on" do end up catching on. If you got into a time machine, went 25 years back, described the internet to people and asked them whether they'd ever sign up to a concept like Facebook, I think you'd find a generally horrified response.

 

As far as me adding fire to negative flames go...no, sorry. You don't get to shut debate down like that. I haven't been discourteous or abusive to anybody. Presenting a different perspective to the prevailing popular one doesn't automatically equate with being negative or stirring. If you feel it does, then maybe you haven't yet learned to be objective enough to debate issues online without taking opposing views personally.

[kaylan]

^ I stand my post, but sh!!t stir all you like =)

 

Ill say it again....tattoo ads will never catch on with anyone but the super desperate. And you can contact me in 25 years to confirm.

 

Facebook isnt permanent like a tattoo advertisement on your face. Surely you have a better example.

[Taramere]

^ I stand my post, but sh!!t stir all you like =)

 

Ill say it again....tattoo ads will never catch on with anyone but the super desperate. And you can contact me in 25 years to confirm.

 

http://emerging-advertising-media.wikispaces.com/Tattoos

 

Tattoo advertising is the new, edgy way for companies to advertise. Tattoo advertising is a concept where companies find participants that are willing to place a temporary or permanent tattoo on their body for advertising purposes. This trend emerged in the late 1990s and has grown significantly ever since (Rovell, 2003). Participants include everybody from average people to professional athletes. Today, thousands of people are lining up to be candidates for tattoo advertising. While participants volunteer to advertise for the company, they are payed for their publicity, the price in which they are payed depends on the size of the tattoo, how many other tattoos the person has, and where on their body the ad is placed.

[kaylan]

Again, they make a very, very small minority of all tattooed people. So I find it odd that you sh!!t stir in response to another poster when she said she didnt understand the tattoo hate in this thread.

[Taramere]

Again, they make a very, very small minority of all tattooed people. So I find it odd that you sh!!t stir in response to another poster when she said she didnt understand the tattoo hate in this thread.

 

Likely you find it odd because you're not able to differentiate between flaming and ****-stirring, and the presentation of different perspectives.

[kaylan]

People selling their bodies as billboards is no different than a stripper selling her body in a strip club. It doesnt reflect on the tattooed population as a whole, which is what the convo have mostly been about.

[Emilia]

Too smart for the rich, not smart enough to be rich myself. Maybe I should get that tattooed on my arm.

 

Nah, it's scruples

 

That story about the woman getting the casino address tattooed on her forehead brought together a lot of feelings I have about this subject, E. My brother and SIL both have tattooes. My 9 year old niece quite often wears these transfer tattooes that she gets from magazines...and so I think it's very likely that she will get a tattoo when she's older. I would like to try to present her with a different perspective, but it's difficult to do without causing family ructions and just alienating everybody/making them feel judged.

 

As more people devote a lot of time to the business of marketing, it becomes harder for brands to find ways of standing out...and the logical progression is for them to use actual people as an advertising medium. If it follows the usual route marketing seems to go, initially it would be very crass and obvious as with those ads in the site I linked. The Wal-Mart tramp stamp being particularly hideous as it conjures up images of people bending over to let themselves get shafted by big business. It wouldn't surprise me if that guy didn't even get paid for the tattoo...such is the mindset of some people.

 

Anyway, initially crass and awful advertising...and then, as marketing theory surrounding the human body as a marketing tool becomes more sophisticated, and as more and more people become open to the idea of being a billboard "as long as it isn't too tacky" these tattoo ads would become more subtle and artistic...until it got to the point where you had to really concentrate to figure out which people's tattoos were a form of self expression, and which were a form of corporate advertising.

 

Agree, certainly looking at sheep mentality - which is so shocking, people look at me strangely when I tell them I don't have a telly - makes me think you are right. I have little sympathy for them though. If you are not smart enough, you get exploited to a large degree. We are all exploited some but there is a point where you have to take personal responsibility as to what happens to you in your life.

[Emilia]

People selling their bodies as billboards is no different than a stripper selling her body in a strip club. It doesnt reflect on the tattooed population as a whole, which is what the convo have mostly been about.

 

Everything in life is fluid Kaylan. Perception changes all the time and tattoos are a very good example of that

[kaylan]

Everything in life is fluid Kaylan. Perception changes all the time and tattoos are a very good example of that

Um ok...Havent I said that in this thread? I already mentioned that tattoos are more accepted than they used to be. That probably wont change for a very long time though.

[Emilia]

Um ok...Havent I said that in this thread? I already mentioned that tattoos are more accepted than they used to be. That probably wont change for a very long time though.

 

Um yes I have, commented here and there too. Taramere's point is that HOW they are accepted is changing. For some bizarre reason you don't understand it.

 

Anyway, I'm doing what I hate doing which is getting into petty arguments with those that are not receptive to reasoning. Outta here.

[Taramere]

Nah, it's scruples

 

 

 

Agree, certainly looking at sheep mentality - which is so shocking, people look at me strangely when I tell them I don't have a telly - makes me think you are right. I have little sympathy for them though. If you are not smart enough, you get exploited to a large degree. We are all exploited some but there is a point where you have to take personal responsibility as to what happens to you in your life.

 

Yeah. My concern is that we seem to be increasingly heading in this direction where being ethical and hard working is no longer enough. Where more and more, people have to be marketing fanatics. Having a sheep like view is part of that, and I would say that people are infinitely more willing to embrace that marketing sheep outlook on life now than they were 20 years ago.

 

Observe what happened on this thread when somebody asked where the anger was coming from, and I attempted to give a response. I too had wondered where the anger was coming from, and I think sometimes these things are worth analysing - rather than just giving a flip "because the person is insane/negative/horrible" response.

 

Which is what I attempted to do. Provide a possible explanation for where the anger comes from. This is condemned as "sh*t stirring" which is generally one of the common problems on this site....and one of the things that encourages it to be something of a stagnant echo chamber at times, rather than a place for dynamic discussion.

[Emilia]

Where more and more, people have to be marketing fanatics. Having a sheep like view is part of that, and I would say that people are infinitely more willing to embrace that marketing sheep outlook on life now than they were 20 years ago.

 

I wonder about that sometimes. We live in a much more outspoken society so I can't tell whether it's having fewer taboos and more opportunities for everyone to have a say or whether it's general trivilisation of values. Is it just opening people's eyes to alternative lifestyles or is it really just about marketing?

 

Observe what happened on this thread when somebody asked where the anger was coming from, and I attempted to give a response. I too had wondered where the anger was coming from, and I think sometimes these things are worth analysing - rather than just giving a flip "because the person is insane/negative/horrible" response.

 

Which is what I attempted to do. Provide a possible explanation for where the anger comes from. This is condemned as "sh*t stirring" which is generally one of the common problems on this site....and one of the things that encourages it to be something of a stagnant echo chamber at times, rather than a place for dynamic discussion.

 

I'm guilty of anger sometimes, usually when I associate responses with negativity I have experienced in real life or when I think someone is being obtuse on purpose. That's why I never get into line-by-line debates, it's not worth anyone's time.

 

I think people believe what they want to believe and they don't always want to debate it, often prefer to deflect instead.

[Taramere]

I wonder about that sometimes. We live in a much more outspoken society so I can't tell whether it's having fewer taboos and more opportunities for everyone to have a say or whether it's general trivilisation of values. Is it just opening people's eyes to alternative lifestyles or is it really just about marketing?

 

I think the marketing industry gets involved in absolutely everything. It will use sex, love, religion, birth, death, family ties, fears about the future, conspiracy theories...whatever it thinks will help it sell a product, it will use. It's just a question of a) who will let themselves or what they hold dear be used, and b) which of those people the marketers deem worthy of being used.

 

If marketers pay beautiful women or manly men high rates to be tattooed with the names and logos of products, then women and men of all kinds will be queuing up to be used like that on account of the validation ("social proof") it offers.

 

People being opposed to marketing and wanting to feel unique, rather than sheep...well "we understand that people are different. That when you go on a holiday, you want it to be an experience that will last a lifetime. That's why at Unique People Adventures, we create holidays that take your very specific needs into account, and...."

 

The only people whose heads marketers aren't devoted to trying to get inside would, I guess, be those people who have absolutely nothing.

 

I'm guilty of anger sometimes, usually when I associate responses with negativity I have experienced in real life or when I think someone is being obtuse on purpose. That's why I never get into line-by-line debates, it's not worth anyone's time.

There have been times I've had some really great discussions with people on here. People who took a very different perspective from me....but I agree that on the whole, while people talk about wanting to be exposed to different perspectives... in reality these discussions generally become personalised and pointless quite rapidly. Edited August 16, 2012 by Taramere

[Emilia]

People being opposed to marketing and wanting to feel unique, rather than sheep...well "we understand that people are different. That when you go on a holiday, you want it to be an experience that will last a lifetime. That's why at Unique People Adventures, we create holidays that take your very specific needs into account, and...."

 

 

This made me laugh out loud. 'Crystal Holidays' adverts 'getting away from the crowds find secluded beaches..... in Croatia and the Algarve' :laugh:

 

Yes, consumer society I'm afraid

[yongyong]

Anal Tattoos Next Big Thing? Yes, This Woman Got Inked THERE (VIDEO) [NSFW]

 

What do you think about this chick? obviously she talks like a dumb f-ing whore.

What if she walks around with her mouth shut? Can't you tell what she would be like just by looking at her??

would you assume she was raised in a good white family?

would you assume she would be too shy to even give BJs or she wouldn't mind getting cum on her face by 5 guys in a middle of circle?

Would you want to just bang this chick and try any sex fantasies you have(slapping, choking, anal etc) OR would you really want to get to know her in a coffee shop?

Would you just go to straight to her house or meet her at a bar at night OR hangout with her around your friends or family member during day time?

 

Do you have to taste the poop to realize it's actually a poop?

[ascendotum]

Anal Tattoos Next Big Thing? Yes, This Woman Got Inked THERE (VIDEO) [NSFW]

 

What do you think about this chick? obviously she talks like a dumb f-ing whore.

What if she walks around with her mouth shut? Can't you tell what she would be like just by looking at her??

would you assume she was raised in a good white family?

would you assume she would be too shy to even give BJs or she wouldn't mind getting cum on her face by 5 guys in a middle of circle?

Would you want to just bang this chick and try any sex fantasies you have(slapping, choking, anal etc) OR would you really want to get to know her in a coffee shop?

Would you just go to straight to her house or meet her at a bar at night OR hangout with her around your friends or family member during day time?

 

Do you have to taste the poop to realize it's actually a poop?

 

Haha. Got to keep an eye out for the latest trends eh YY, so you can get in early and become a trendsetter. I'll think I'll pass on this one. I'd be surprised she got it on her anus, probably just around the butt hole. Actually I've seen tats on the inside of eyelids and inside the lip, so I guess you could. Oh well when she breaks up with her bf, she can go back to have it worked on more, seemed like she'd love that. Would you feel special seeing your name in your partners arsehole? She's a great ambassador for tatts.

 

Yeah she could meet most (not all) of my friends, and I'd take her home to the folks too. Freak em out a little for complaining when am I going to get a new gf.

Edited August 16, 2012 by ascendotum

[xxoo]

We all know, by now, that despite creative people often being anti-capitalist, sooner or later all art must allow itself to become commercialised to some extent if its creator is to make a living. Here's a thing (I hesitate to call it a "piece") about temporary corporate tattoos being a "cool and sexy marketing tool".

 

Corporarte Logo Tattoos.

 

Temporary tattoos are analogous to clothing or jewelry. How different is this than wearing a t-shirt with the letters G A P across the front?

 

We wore a lot of branded clothing as teens, and my dad always said that the companies should pay us to wear them. He had a point!

 

About people being desperate enough to tattoo permanent corporate logos on themselves for money--I don't see that taking off simply because smart business people would not want their logo associated with the stupidest and most desperate of society.

[ascendotum]

Temporary tattoos are analogous to clothing or jewelry. How different is this than wearing a t-shirt with the letters G A P across the front?

 

We wore a lot of branded clothing as teens, and my dad always said that the companies should pay us to wear them. He had a point!

 

About people being desperate enough to tattoo permanent corporate logos on themselves for money--I don't see that taking off simply because smart business people would not want their logo associated with the stupidest and most desperate of society.

 

Your dad says the same as mine. So many people wear branded clothing and the thing is they pay a premium to do so...pay extra to advertise the item to other people for the coy. I don't think corporate tats will take off seriously. If you can't pay people now to walk around in a jacket or t-shirt with a logo, then why would tats work. I could see maybe models or sports celebrities likely doing it (temp not permanent), but not the general population.

[Taramere]

Temporary tattoos are analogous to clothing or jewelry. How different is this than wearing a t-shirt with the letters G A P across the front?

 

Well, the obvious difference, in the context of this discussion, is that you look at one and see a mark on the skin which may or may not be permanent. You look at the other and see a mark on a piece of clothing.

 

Temporary tattoos seem like a very good solution to me, if art and creativity is the main drive in getting a tattoo...or if the body is being used as a billboard to advertise a product. In the case of body art, if the art is of a very high standard, the person can always take a photograph and hang the framed photo on their wall therefore preserving the art long after the ink has washed off. However, I realise that some people might love the body decoration so much that they want it to be a permanent thing.

 

About people being desperate enough to tattoo permanent corporate logos on themselves for money--I don't see that taking off simply because smart business people would not want their logo associated with the stupidest and most desperate of society.

I don't think businesses are necessarily choosy about that. No doubt a prestige brand like Chanel would balk about its two Cs logo adorning beefy arms around the globe...but companies that cater to the bottom end of the market would probably be more than happy for their logos to adorn all kinds of unsavoury looking individuals.

 

That somebody has branded themselves with a corporate logo doesn't necessarily mean they've been paid either. I don't know anybody personally who has a company logo tattooed on them, but the practice of getting a corporate logo (the Apple symbol is apparently particularly popular among people who have a strong loyalty to that brand/are Steve Jobs devotees) is popular enough for studies to be conducted on why an increasing number of people are branding themselves in that way. eg

 

http://jce.sagepub.com/content/38/4/493.short