YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Why do you want to live for trillions of years in imaginary neverland heaven? Personally I think it would actually be more like Hell. I mean really.. What are you gonna do in heaven for endless millennia? Ever thought about that part? How will you keep busy, will you get a hobby? Whats it gonna be like for you "believers" after say, a couple million years up there?
amaysngrace Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Life is only a few minutes compared to eternity so if eternity is as good as is promised, being there will seem llike what we initially thought what life on earth would be in terms of time. 1
M30USA Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Why do you want to live for trillions of years in imaginary neverland heaven? Personally I think it would actually be more like Hell. I mean really.. What are you gonna do in heaven for endless millennia? Ever thought about that part? How will you keep busy, will you get a hobby? Whats it gonna be like for you "believers" after say, a couple million years up there? A few things to consider: 1) Heaven will be a higher level of reality (with a higher amount of dimensions) so if you're trying to understand it from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being, it's impossible. It would be like Super Mario trying to understand the world outside his flat TV screen. 2) The Bible says in Revelation that, in the New Heaven, "the older order of things has passed away". This suggests that everything as you know it will cease to function in the way you currently know--everything from death, to entropy, to emotions, to psychology/behavior, on and on... 3) The center of heaven will be God, himself. Apparently the Bible says his presence is so joyful and amazing that it won't even get old like everything currently known to man. This is because we were meant for him, not anything else. 4) A better way to understand infinitey instead of an "endless millenia" is by thinking of a permanant now. It's like a now moment that just never ceases. That's the only way I can understand being outside the 4th dimension. 1
aj22one Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 There never seems to be enough time to do the things you wanna do once you find 'em. Eternity sounds good to me. 7
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 A few things to consider: 1) Heaven will be a higher level of reality (with a higher amount of dimensions) so if you're trying to understand it from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being, it's impossible. It would be like Super Mario trying to understand the world outside his flat TV screen. How do you know that? What empirical evidence do you have for your multi-dimensional "theory"... other than some words from a 2000-year-old book? Any eye-witness accounts you can point me to? Documentation? Just doing my due dilligence. We're talkin' my eternal afterlife here, thats pretty important to me, so if I am gonna put all my eggs into one basket I kinda wanna know its a safe bet.. (rather than just a promise.)
TheFinalWord Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Well for me, God is infinite, so it will take eternity to get to know Him I look forward to it, personally. But if you hate God (or even the notion of Him since I know you don't believe) even with the bit of surface knowledge we have, I agree eternity with Him would probably be hell for you. Thankfully He doesn't force it on you 3
amaysngrace Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 How do you know that? What empirical evidence do you have for your multi-dimensional "theory"... other than some words from a 2000-year-old book? Any eye-witness accounts you can point me to? Documentation? Just doing my due dilligence. We're talkin' my eternal afterlife here, thats pretty important to me, so if I am gonna put all my eggs into one basket I kinda wanna know its a safe bet.. (rather than just a promise.) You search and search for answers and mock others beliefs in the process. That's pretty disrespectful. Tell you what...I'll pray for you. 2
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 Well for me, God is infinite, so it will take eternity to get to know Him I look forward to it, personally. But if you hate God (or even the notion of Him since I know you don't believe) even with the bit of surface knowledge we have, I agree eternity with Him would probably be hell for you. Thankfully He doesn't force it on you I don't hate god. That would imply he exists. I simply am asking what are your plans for infinity? You're obviously a believer, and that's a really really long time.. even for multi dimensional beings as M30USA believes. So why do you want to live for eternity?
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 You search and search for answers and mock others beliefs in the process. That's pretty disrespectful. Tell you what...I'll pray for you. Who's mocking? I am asking a rational question. What are your plans for eternity in heaven? 1
TheFinalWord Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 You search and search for answers and mock others beliefs in the process. That's pretty disrespectful. Tell you what...I'll pray for you. Well, I was like him for a long time so I can relate. I think it's awesome to keep praying. To me someone who spends so much time mocking God is wrestling spiritually. Many people prayed for me during my mocking years. I didn't appreciate it at the time, but now I do I don't hate god. That would imply he exists. I simply am asking what are your plans for infinity? You're obviously a believer, and that's a really really long time.. even for multi dimensional beings as M30USA believes. So why do you want to live for eternity? My plans are to get to know God. He is infinite, therefore it will take eternity to get to know Him. I appreciate you bring up God so much Yellowshark. It's when society stops discussing God that I'll be worried 4
amaysngrace Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Who's mocking? I am asking a rational question. What are your plans for eternity in heaven? I plan to chill with those I love who have gone before me and await the days when I'll see my living loved ones again while watching over them in the meantime. 4
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 Well, I was like him for a long time so I can relate. I think it's awesome to keep praying. To me someone who spends so much time mocking God is wrestling spiritually. Many people prayed for me during my mocking years. I didn't appreciate it at the time, but now I do : Questioning is not mocking. I am no different than a financial planner asking you what are your plans for retirement. Except we are talking about your plans for "eternal life." (Which is going to last a heck of a lot longer than your retirement!) My plans are to get to know God. He is infinite, therefore it will take eternity to get to know Him. Why? You want to spend eternity knowing god? Wouldn't that be considered an unhealthy obsession? 1
M30USA Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 How do you know that? What empirical evidence do you have for your multi-dimensional "theory"... other than some words from a 2000-year-old book? Any eye-witness accounts you can point me to? Documentation? Just doing my due dilligence. We're talkin' my eternal afterlife here, thats pretty important to me, so if I am gonna put all my eggs into one basket I kinda wanna know its a safe bet.. (rather than just a promise.) You can throw the word "empirical" around all you want; words don't make your point stronger. Pysicists (secular) have identified at least 10, probably 11, dimensions in the universe. Only 3 of these can you actually see. This is according to the "concensus" among physicists who are even secular. And since we know spirits and angels, according to the Bible, cannot be seen with the eye, it's pretty safe to assume they exist in these other dimensions. And since angels, according to the Bible, exist in Heaven, it's also safe to assume that when we are in Heaven we will also exist in these dimensions. 1
soccerrprp Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I always snicker or laugh at discussions like this....THERE IS ONE CERTAINTY....NO ONE, NO BODY knows if heaven of hell exists....NO A SINGLE PERSON! Having such futile discussions are a waste of time...live your life, here, now, in the real world to the best of your ability and not at the expense of others....focus on THAT REALITY... 2
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 You can throw the word "empirical" around all you want; words don't make your point stronger. So you don't have any empirical evidence of someone living for eternity as a multi-dimensional being in heaven? 1
M30USA Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 YellowShark, In continuation of my last post... You seem to be really into "empirical" evidence. It sounds like you have some experience with empiricial studies. Can you tell us which empirical studies you've done--in any level of education or even personal research? Please tell us what empirical means.
writergal Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I always snicker or laugh at discussions like this....THERE IS ONE CERTAINTY....NO ONE, NO BODY knows if heaven of hell exists....NO A SINGLE PERSON! Having such futile discussions are a waste of time...live your life, here, now, in the real world to the best of your ability and not at the expense of others....focus on THAT REALITY... I totally agree with you. The only "dimension" that matters is the here-and-now in this life. And no one, absolutely NO ONE has proof of an afterlife.
M30USA Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I totally agree with you. The only "dimension" that matters is the here-and-now in this life. And no one, absolutely NO ONE has proof of an afterlife. Your comment shows a lack of understanding of what a dimension is. All dimensions are involved in the "here and now". Maybe you should stick to figurative writing.
KathyM Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Well, I don't know what heaven will be like, really, except that it will be a beautiful place where I will be filled with joy and feel the all-encompassing love of God. I'm not sure what activities we will have to do there, but if the beauty of this world is just a small glimpse of what God is capable of providing us, I'd say it will be pretty amazing, and we aren't going to be at a loss for something to do. 3
LadyGrey Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 So you don't have any empirical evidence of someone living for eternity as a multi-dimensional being in heaven? I don't think you understand the concept of faith. Faith is the belief in things unseen and unknown. There is no proof to be had except one believes in faith or not. 1
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 I plan to chill with those I love who have gone before me and await the days when I'll see my living loved ones again while watching over them in the meantime. Really? Cuz I love my family but after they stay with me for a week I have about had enough. Couldn't imagine that for eternity.
writergal Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) So you don't have any empirical evidence of someone living for eternity as a multi-dimensional being in heaven? M30USA doesn't have any empirical evidence - no one does - because there is none; esp. since the Bible claims that "God" incarnated himself. But then every religious creation story has a back story about how their god(s) or goddesses came into "being." Religion is based on the oral and written tradition of hearsay. It's all information gathered from one person, passed to another, to another, interpreted, reinterpreted, distorted, translated, retranslated, then passed to another, from which the first person HAS NO DIRECT EXPERIENCE. The use of this information as "proof" or "evidence" to prove the truth of what's been said/written (in this case the Bible) is hearsay. So in that case, to say there is an afterlife, a Christian heaven, is just hearsay. It's not a fact because there isn't any proof. And the concept of faith is that it's a brain washing gimmick (in my opinion) used to force people into belief in the unknown, unproven as a way to control people's belief systems and modify their behavior. Faith = brain washing tool. Edited August 11, 2012 by writergal
dreamingoftigers Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 He might not let me in. But if he does, I have no idea what MY plans are. I truly don't know exactly what Heaven would be like, so I wouldn't presume to know exactly what I'd be doing. But quite frankly I'd rather play boring old SNES games for most of eternity than simply ceasing to exist. There's so much of the world etc that I haven't experienced and won't get a chance to in this lifetime, that having a longer life to share those experiences with others, without fearing death at every door, would be nice. I guess it would probably be a little chance to relax from all of the crazy, worldly pressure as well. 2
TheFinalWord Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Questioning is not mocking. I am no different than a financial planner asking you what are your plans for retirement. Except we are talking about your plans for "eternal life." (Which is going to last a heck of a lot longer than your retirement!) Why? You want to spend eternity knowing god? Wouldn't that be considered an unhealthy obsession? It's not your questions, it's the labels you use in the process. You've never really delineated your beliefs on here so you kind of hide yourself in a way. It's easy to just sit back and throw stones at us since our beliefs are laid bare. Nonetheless, I can see past the negative comments b/c I used to think that way. So use whatever approach you want. I just think it is more productive to be respectful in a dialogue. But oveall I'm glad for your questions b/c it gives more chances to talk about God. So thanks! I don't agree with your analogy, it is different b/c you're comparing heaven to retirement. Why do you think we'll be retired? Maybe that's when the work begins Maybe this song will help. It is more eloquent than my words 2
Author YellowShark Posted August 11, 2012 Author Posted August 11, 2012 So in that case, to say there is an afterlife, a Christian heaven, is just hearsay. It's not a fact because there isn't any proof. Well I am looking at it from a practical perspective. Other posters are buying into an insurance policy. The payoff is eternal life. They are basing their entire lives on it. So I am very curious what they are going to do for eternity. But now M30USA says eternity is not really eternity, but multi-dimensional existence. I am just asking what eyewitness documentation he can point me to before I decide to buy into that theory.
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