udolipixie Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Those aren't nice guys according to my previous post. Those sound like bitter, reactionary, men's rights guys who blame women for their problems and want to turn the clock back to the 1950s. When I'm talking about nice guys, I'm talking guys who are shy and passive around women. I was talking about those guys as well.
udolipixie Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I've lived in two different big cities, and NONE of the guys in my social circle could take girls home from clubs. One of my friends got a makeout with an attractive girl one time, and that was considered a really big deal. I've never claimed to get laid a lot. I'm no different than most guys my age in terms of success. I just happen to be one of the few who'll admit that getting laid with girls in one's looks league is really, really difficult. Have your ever considered that your social isn't representative of the average guy thus the reason why you're been one of the few admitting getting laid by gals in one's looks league is really really difficult?
ThaWholigan Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I've lived in two different big cities, and NONE of the guys in my social circle could take girls home from clubs. One of my friends got a makeout with an attractive girl one time, and that was considered a really big deal. I've never claimed to get laid a lot. I'm no different than most guys my age in terms of success. I just happen to be one of the few who'll admit that getting laid with girls in one's looks league is really, really difficult. Why is it so difficult for you and your friends? It doesn't seem to be very difficult for most guys I know. Besides, I don't really look at leagues in the same way. My friends don't get laid ALL THE TIME from that, but they can and they do - with decent looking girls. We are prone to the odd overexaggeration regarding dating and women, but I admit that I struggle to really understand guys who claim it's so bad that they are dating girls they aren't attracted to and can't even keep them around. I'm confused by it, because it doesn't exist in my reality.
ThaWholigan Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I was talking about those guys as well. Why? Do you think that "shy and passive" guys are all loathing of women and wish to use them in the same manner as the "players"? I'll assume for now that you don't......
yongyong Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Hey TheWholigan, don't argue with losers. it's such a waste of time and you will get blamed in the end. Let's say you have a friend. he is decent looking and just acts normal. you don't see him having a problem for getting average girls. he seemed depressed because he hadn't have a luck. so you tell him you are a good looking guy, you are funny so you should have no problem to cheer him up. he will go out, approach girls, get rejected and come back to you with a mad face saying you are a lier, you are full of sxit. So by offering honest advice, you will receive bad words in the end. leave them alone. leave them to believe they are piece of sxit. 1
yongyong Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I didn't mention any username. did it make you feel guilty or something? how does it make you feel when you get rejected by your own race of woman who grew up on the same soil, within the same culture, went to the same education system, enjoys the same type of jokes, eats the same type of food, resembles your mom or sister and speaks just like you? I fall to none of that. So I should have more challenge. But I don't complain like you. When I see a white bxxxx like you complaining, I just laugh.... Just let minorities take over all white women Just another deluded twit. I'd sure like to see pics of all these HB's you're sleeping with. Don't have any? Then stfu and go back to your little corner.
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Why? Do you think that "shy and passive" guys are all loathing of women and wish to use them in the same manner as the "players"? I'll assume for now that you don't...... I was talking about shy and passive guys because I was talking about nice guys. Most of the nice guys I've met were shy and passive around women and usually those traits are the most common others mean why they describe a nice guy. No I don't think that shy and passive guys are all loathing of women rather it's just been the most of the guys I've met that loathed women had no to little romantic/sexual experience and of them the majority were were shy and passive. Yes I do most shy and passive guys wish to be "players" as I think most guys do since I've rarely met guys who didn't wish they were "players".
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Then I'm guessing these guys are all 9's and 10's, because what you're describing just doesn't happen to the average guy. Why do you think the pickup industry is so popular? The guys in my social circle are 8-9s as I don't believe in 10s. In my experience picking up and hooking up with above average gals in the club doesn't happen to the average guy rather he picks up and hooks up with the average gal in the club though not as consistently as above average guys. I think the pickup industry is so popular because it promises many men they seem to want- a way to get young attractive gals by treating gals like a hive mind where if they do this & that she'll dole out sex/relationships.
mesmerized Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 I think the pickup industry is so popular because it promises many men they seem to want- a way to get young attractive gals by treating gals like a hive mind where if they do this & that she'll dole out sex/relationships. It's popular for the same reason cosmetics are so popular with women. Girls would not spend that much on makeup and cloth if it wasn't because of them being able to attract or keep a man. With men though it's also the element of them wanting to get with a girl much better looking than them, PUA promises them that. PUA is not about ugly or even average looking girls, it's all about the hot ones!!!
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 It's popular for the same reason cosmetics are so popular with women. Girls would not spend that much on makeup and cloth if it wasn't because of them being able to attract or keep a man. With men though it's also the element of them wanting to get with a girl much better looking than them, PUA promises them that. PUA is not about ugly or even average looking girls, it's all about the hot ones!!! Egh I wouldn't call it the same reason as I think the reason cosmetics are so popular with women is they want to be young and attractive as a woman's value and worth is based on her youth/beauty. There's a difference to me between wanting to be young and attractive gal and wanting a young and attractive gal. In my opinion most sexual/dating advice for men isn't about ugly or average gals but the hot gals particularly the young ones.
GravityMan Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Um...it seems that way sometimes. When I went out last night to the city with my good friend girls looked mad when we wanted to approach. Some looked really really mean when we just looked. I dont know why . Um I'm getting over that girl from the dentist. We dont text anymore & its okay. I want to meet someone else but its so hard. Last night I try to make nice convo with 4 girls. I said hi to one girl & she looked at me & said bye. I'm annoyed with that. After the 4th girl I didn't have any more energy to get more rejections. It just seems that girls are angry more when lots of guys are around them . Maybe this is a NYC thing? I took a vacation up there back in May, and while the locals were friendly to me, they were generally focused on getting to their destination or doing whatever they were doing. Which is understandable in that city. (It was very easy for me to tell which folks were tourists and which ones were locals out on the streets.) Or...there's something with the way you and your friend are approaching women that's turning them off. If this is the norm for you then it's likely that you're doing something wrong or giving off an uncomfortable vibe. You may also need to improve on your ability to accurately read their body language before approaching them. Some guys can rapidly tell whether a woman gives off an "approachable" demeanor or not.
Failboy Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 That makes a little more sense. Unfortunately, most guys aren't capable of becoming 8-9's. Even after acquiring a lean gym body, dressing to the nines, styling my hair, and getting a tan, I'm still merely a 7. The problem with going for average girls is that even they only want the male 9's. And they have no problem holding out until one hits on them. That leaves the odd obese girl for us 7's and below. That's basically it. Normal girls know they can get a man clearly out of their league money and looks - wise if they just try and be patient. Heard that story of some clearly average girl keeping a diary of sexing the most desireable men of her entire college? All really good-looking, muscular, successful and popular guys. And all hate aside - she was clearly average, 6 at best. In fact, I would probably not even hit on her unless I am desperate. Still, she - and the likes of her, meaning average girls - could easily go for much better looking men than I am. I've been rejected by an obese chick that didn't even have a nice face or anything before - why? Because there are plenty men out there who are turned on by obesity. Some of them hotter than me, clearly. So... I came to terms with the fact that I can only get with desireable women if I strike a chord. Meaning, they for some reason really like me even though they know they could get better guys from an objective point of view. It happens very rarely, but it does happen. Just remember it could happen on any given day. It's dumb luck though, so I wouldn't even worry about it. 1
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 That makes a little more sense. Unfortunately, most guys aren't capable of becoming 8-9's. Even after acquiring a lean gym body, dressing to the nines, styling my hair, and getting a tan, I'm still merely a 7. The problem with going for average girls is that even they only want the male 9's. And they have no problem holding out until one hits on them. That leaves the odd obese girl for us 7's and below. Most guys in my opinion don't need to be capable of become 8-9s to get a gal as recall I stated the average guys pikc up and hook up average gals. If average gals only wanted male 9's then the many countless average guys I know wouldn't be having sex, dating, in relationships, married, or picking up and hooking with average gals in clubs. Perhaps the problem isn't average gals only want male 9s but that gals you want don't want you or you're overrating yourself while underrating gals.
mesmerized Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Egh I wouldn't call it the same reason as I think the reason cosmetics are so popular with women is they want to be young and attractive as a woman's value and worth is based on her youth/beauty. There's a difference to me between wanting to be young and attractive gal and wanting a young and attractive gal. In my opinion most sexual/dating advice for men isn't about ugly or average gals but the hot gals particularly the young ones. Well, why do women want to be young and attractive? to attract men!
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Well, why do women want to be young and attractive? to attract men! Some want to be young and attractive to attract men though in my opinion more women want to be young and attractive for their own vanity, self-esteem, and/or self-worth as that's how they based their value/worth since it seems that's how society based a woman's value/worth.
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 no gals like me. some get angry when i say hi. Bit curious if by no gals like you do you mean no gals you like as I've encountered that can truly say no gals like him are the ones with no social circle who rarely go out. As for some gals getting angry when you say hi it could be your looks/body langauge or it could be you're saying hi to gals that don't want to hear it. Do the gals look approachable to you or look welcoming to a guy invading their space and taking their time?
Failboy Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Bit curious if by no gals like you do you mean no gals you like as I've encountered that can truly say no gals like him are the ones with no social circle who rarely go out. As for some gals getting angry when you say hi it could be your looks/body langauge or it could be you're saying hi to gals that don't want to hear it. Do the gals look approachable to you or look welcoming to a guy invading their space and taking their time? The reason why so many guys who claim they aren't liked by any girls also happen to be the ones without a big social circle or frequent nightlife is simple... imagine you get blown off by guys your entire life, almost never having sex ever in your entire life, not even be able to befriend guys for basically your entire life... do you think you'd have a big social circle with tons of hot guys and hit the bars every evening? I think not.
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 The reason why so many guys who claim they aren't liked by any girls also happen to be the ones without a big social circle or frequent nightlife is simple... imagine you get blown off by guys your entire life, almost never having sex ever in your entire life, not even be able to befriend guys for basically your entire life... do you think you'd have a big social circle with tons of hot guys and hit the bars every evening? I think not. If guys blew me off my entire life and I wasn't able to befriend guys I'd likely have a social circle with gals and hit the bars every evening. Bit off to me that having a social circle with the same gender and hitting the bars with them isn't considered. To clarify I stated guys no social circle not guys without a big social circle. Most likely the reason guys with no social circle or without a big social circle claim no gals like them is because they mean they aren't liked by any gals they want. Or for them not being liked isn't a gender thing exclusive to women but a people thing as they aren't considered likeable or interesting enough by many.
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 no gals i've talked to, doubt a gal that never goes out would like me either, i don't go out much anymore. i don't look as good as the average joe and don't get body language. guy friends have tried to explain it to me but i didn't understand and they gave up. i barely got any of what they were saying. i don't know when a gal is approachable, have to guess. i'm wasting their time obviously. Perhaps it's best suited to improve your appearance via diet/exercise/fashion/grooming and read up on body language. Perhaps it's better suited to recognize the signs of when a gal isn't approachable such as being preoccupied or sour face so your guesses of when they are approachable may have a higher success rate. 1
Failboy Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 If guys blew me off my entire life and I wasn't able to befriend guys I'd likely have a social circle with gals and hit the bars every evening. Bit off to me that having a social circle with the same gender and hitting the bars with them isn't considered. To clarify I stated guys no social circle not guys without a big social circle. Most likely the reason guys with no social circle or without a big social circle claim no gals like them is because they mean they aren't liked by any gals they want. Or for them not being liked isn't a gender thing exclusive to women but a people thing as they aren't considered likeable or interesting enough by many. So if guys never showed no interest in you whatsoever, you'd be hitting the bars every evening with your gals? Even if men would get angry at you once you merely glance at them? You'd still have fun hitting the bars so frequently? Don't kid yourself, you know god damn well that's not true. No social circle at all, huh? So basically no friends? How would you even know about those guys in the first place, then? I'm just saying the frustration of being blown off and treated like a piece of **** gets them to never go out ... it's not as if they just never go out and then complain to never meet women. They never go out because they did in the past, been resented uncountable times and just can't keep going on like that. And yes it does happen to women to, just not nearly as often as it does for men, therefore a gender thing.
Cracker Jack Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Do you want sympathy or actual advice? Sounds to me like you'd rather give up than actually make changes. 1
udolipixie Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 So if guys never showed no interest in you whatsoever, you'd be hitting the bars every evening with your gals? Even if men would get angry at you once you merely glance at them? You'd still have fun hitting the bars so frequently? Don't kid yourself, you know god damn well that's not true. No social circle at all, huh? So basically no friends? How would you even know about those guys in the first place, then? I'm just saying the frustration of being blown off and treated like a piece of **** gets them to never go out ... it's not as if they just never go out and then complain to never meet women. They never go out because they did in the past, been resented uncountable times and just can't keep going on like that. And yes it does happen to women to, just not nearly as often as it does for men, therefore a gender thing. Perhaps you're the one kidding yourself that I'd operate like you. I would be having fun as I go to the bars to drink, listen to music, and dance and for me fun isn't dependent on whether the guys there want to be approached by me or not. I would be hitting the bars though not every night as it's not a nightly thing for me and nowhere did I state, suggest, or imply so. Perhaps we have different opinions of 'frequent nightlife' as when you said frequent I didn't think it meant hitting the bars every night. I know about guys who have no social circle from others talking about them such as my gals pals and guys making fun of them as the guys tend to be seen as pathetic, needy, whiny losers that cling to any sign of interest. It piques my curiousity and when I go to met them most of the time the guys have no to low self-esteem, self-worth, or self-confidence and seek validation and happiness from others and those traits don't tend to be well-liked by others in my environments. I'm saying: - Most likely when guys say "no gals like me" they mean "no gals" I like - It seems the only guys with no gals liking them are ones with no social circle usually because not being liked isn't a gender thing exclusive to women but a people thing as many others don't consider them likeable or interesting enough. Being blown off and treated like a piece of sh*t isn't a gender thing in my opinion. It happens often to women just not in the same way as guys as it's not when they approach guys rather they're blown off as ala being seen as having no to little value/worth other than sex and their looks and they're treated like a piece of sh*t ala sexual harassment and street harassment.
Failboy Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Perhaps you're the one kidding yourself that I'd operate like you. I would be having fun as I go to the bars to drink, listen to music, and dance and for me fun isn't dependent on whether the guys there want to be approached by me or not. I would be hitting the bars though not every night as it's not a nightly thing for me and nowhere did I state, suggest, or imply so. Perhaps we have different opinions of 'frequent nightlife' as when you said frequent I didn't think it meant hitting the bars every night. I know about guys who have no social circle from others talking about them such as my gals pals and guys making fun of them as the guys tend to be seen as pathetic, needy, whiny losers that cling to any sign of interest. It piques my curiousity and when I go to met them most of the time the guys have no to low self-esteem, self-worth, or self-confidence and seek validation and happiness from others and those traits don't tend to be well-liked by others in my environments. I'm saying: - Most likely when guys say "no gals like me" they mean "no gals" I like - It seems the only guys with no gals liking them are ones with no social circle usually because not being liked isn't a gender thing exclusive to women but a people thing as many others don't consider them likeable or interesting enough. Being blown off and treated like a piece of sh*t isn't a gender thing in my opinion. It happens often to women just not in the same way as guys as it's not when they approach guys rather they're blown off as ala being seen as having no to little value/worth other than sex and their looks and they're treated like a piece of sh*t ala sexual harassment and street harassment. No - I'm not saying you would operate like me, because we are two completely different characters. I'm saying you'd operate like any human being would. Part of the club/bar scene is to be seen and "liked" by the opposite sex. Denying that is pointless. If you, as the case for some men, never succeed at this, while having to witness tons of jerks making out with women you'd like, you are not going to enjoy it. And you are eventually going to avoid it. Any healthy human being would, including you, if you were in those shoes. Actually there's a direct quote of you stating, suggesting or implying so. Wanna make me quote it or can you look it up yourself? Needless to say that this is not relevant and figurative anyways - but I get your style: You're always so literal (and boring). Everybody seeks validation and happiness from others. It's just that some people get that without really "seeking" it actively. Others almost never get it so they have to be more active - meaning desperate and needy - about it. And they will cling on signs of interest because it just rarely happens for them. They are normal people, just less fortunate. So they react different to things that are special to them, when said things are routine for social 9s. You'd be desperate and needy as well if you were physically ugly as shiit, trust me. You and your pals are, however, very ugly on the inside I reckon... which is worse in my opinion. But that's just me. I don't know about other people, but I'd trade being resented, laughed at and ignored for being lusted after for my looks and validated on the street on any day of the week and twice on sunday. And so would most women, actually.
ThaWholigan Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) Do you want sympathy or actual advice? Sounds to me like you'd rather give up than actually make changes. Rhetorical question?? Same old, same old. Girls like guys. Stop analyzing every failure and just get on with it, eventually you will get success. If you, as the case for some men, never succeed at this, while having to witness tons of jerks making out with women you'd like, you are not going to enjoy it. And you are eventually going to avoid it. Any healthy human being would, including you, if you were in those shoes. I guess that makes me unhealthy then . I've pulled a couple times, but struck out so many other times, and been called ugly many times too. Did that ever stop me going out and enjoying myself? No. Edited August 12, 2012 by ThaWholigan 2
Failboy Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Rhetorical question?? Same old, same old. Girls like guys. Stop analyzing every failure and just get on with it, eventually you will get success. I guess that makes me unhealthy then . I've pulled a couple times, but struck out so many other times, and been called ugly many times too. Did that ever stop me going out and enjoying myself? No. Well, it depends. Not saying you will stop for life, but there will be times when you'll at least take a break. That, or it doesn't take as big of a toll on your psyche as it would for most people. No healthy human being would go through pain on purpose repeatedly and expect eventual happiness as a result. Good to see you doing good for yourself lately, bro. I can perfectly understand guys like kansas city, though.
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