Leopard Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I know that it's not so written in stone, but let's consider the typical Alpha and Beta males. The standard stereotype. Do you think it would be easier for an Alpha to settle down and let go of his ways? OR For a Beta to step-it up and bring in more "game"? Why or why not?
monkey00 Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I know that it's not so written in stone, but let's consider the typical Alpha and Beta males. The standard stereotype. Do you think it would be easier for an Alpha to settle down and let go of his ways? OR For a Beta to step-it up and bring in more "game"? Why or why not? I would imagine easier for Beta to step up. Alphas get an adrenaline rush from their lifestyle and personalities, asking them to be more 'conservative' would probably be a difficult task I would imagine. Betas have the potential to grow and become more social or charismatic, I think it's just up to them and how much drive they have to succeed. No one's going to do the legwork for them so they have to work on self-improvement IMO if they want to get with the ladies, or at least make friends with people who will hook them up with ladies. Everyone has the potential for self-growth, I'm just speaking from experience.
PJKino Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Hate these dumb labels men get..why dont womens personalities get overanalzyed like this in the dating world?
Author Leopard Posted August 7, 2012 Author Posted August 7, 2012 Hate these dumb labels men get..why dont womens personalities get overanalzyed like this in the dating world? Don't change the topic.
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Hate these dumb labels men get..why dont womens personalities get overanalzyed like this in the dating world? I know. It's all about nuances not alpha or beta. Never mind 3
ThaWholigan Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 As much as I enjoy talking Alpha and Beta, it's very clear that many men fall upon a spectrum of perceived traits relating to the two instead of being one or the other. I'll play along .......... Either way, I think both sets of men can develop their characters enough to add traits that can help them become more rounded characters if they see fit. So I don't think it's easier for each, it would depend on the individual, but I would imagine that if one had to pick, I would say that Beta's typically have scope for improvement if they believe they can do it. My brother is a very "alpha" like personality (despite being short). My mother is always butting heads with him over every issue, and complains to me that he is rude and never listens, and she never brought him up to be so "disrespectful". She wishes he would change. And I know my brother well as I have lived with him all of his life, being the analytical soul that I am. And I always tell my mother "he was always going to be like this, due to the environment complementing his character in this fashion. So he will never change, he is too comfortable in this mode of character and mode of behaving that it will be hard to shift something that seems to work for him in getting what he wants out of life just to appease others". For all the astrological heads out there, his Sun is trine his Moon. When your core essence is connected to your inner emotional life, it creates that comfort in ones expression. 1
GoodOnPaper Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Do you think it would be easier for an Alpha to settle down and let go of his ways? OR For a Beta to step-it up and bring in more "game"? Much easier for the Alpha to settle down . . . if he wants to. And that's the point -- the Alphas can do whatever they want. I know, theoretically, the Betas can too but when most of those choices result in rejection from women, it's by no means the same thing. While Betas are advised to "bring in more game", swinging over to the "alpha" or "jerk" or "bad-boy" side seems to generate an overwhelmingly negative reaction -- much more so than the reaction to a guy who is an Alpha/jerk/bad-boy to begin with. This leads to my thinking that the Beta path is more difficult.
Failboy Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Much easier for the Alpha to settle down . . . if he wants to. And that's the point -- the Alphas can do whatever they want. I know, theoretically, the Betas can too but when most of those choices result in rejection from women, it's by no means the same thing. While Betas are advised to "bring in more game", swinging over to the "alpha" or "jerk" or "bad-boy" side seems to generate an overwhelmingly negative reaction -- much more so than the reaction to a guy who is an Alpha/jerk/bad-boy to begin with. This leads to my thinking that the Beta path is more difficult. I agree.. Natural alphas can easily settle down as long as they actually WANT to. Most of them just don't want it, therefore it can be "hard" obviously. But whenever I went into jerk mode just to have a better chance with women, I was so out of character and I was just a plain jerk in a negative sense, I had even less success than I had in the first place, with my real personality.
carhill Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 IME, short of death or facing death, few people with intrinsic 'alpha' personalities ever change their style of world interaction. They might mellow a bit, kind of like the old male lion lounging in the shade, but just don't get too close or annoying OTOH, while I don't think 'easier' is an appropriate comparison, a more compliant man can become more assertive and garner some of the 'alpha' behavioral sets, especially if such behaviors are rewarded. Their base personality lends them to being more susceptible and/or suggestible to outside stimulus for intrinsic change than an alpha personality does. I know some pretty old alphas and, even in their twilight years, it's hard for them to sit back and let someone else call the shots. The lion in the shade is a pretty good analogy.
ThaWholigan Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 You can't teach and old dog new tricks But you can teach a man anything
TaraMaiden Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I'll happily talk Alphas and Betas concerning dogs, but humans are far too complicated to label and stereotypically pigeon~hole into one limiting characteristic. It's not only a question of what type they are, it's also a question on how they project that and use it within their environment, and within the dynamics of the different relationships they have with other people. A so-called 'beta' male doesn't have to be an unattractive wimp. 1
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