Iggy Pop Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 So after my latest failed romantic endeavor, I've concluded that I need to shift my behavior. I won't waste time with details, but I'm the typical "nice guy" always friend zoned, girl I love is dating a tool etc... I've composed a list of rules that I am going to attempt to follow as a sort of experiment to see how my social interaction, mood, and success are effected. I am going to keep a copy of the list in my wallet and review it periodically throughout the day to help make sure I am following it. While these rules aren't strictly related to romance it is a central theme and the pursuit of being the Alpha male is in it's most basic elements an endeavor for sexual superiority and success. I would like to invite commentary, suggestions, and general discussion. I further encourage any one who so desires to partake in this experiment with me and share their observations. Without further a due "The Rules of The Alpha Male" 1. Have an external locus of control 2. Don’t give your boss and coworkers a reason to bitch about you 3. Don’t second guess yourself 4. Don’t care what other people think, 90% are below you in intellect, style, and taste 5. Combine rules 3 and 4 into an agency of confidence 6. Don’t trust cute girls, they only want to use you 7. Always deny or take advantage of those trying to do the same to you 8. Never turn down drunk sex 9. Never get emotionally attached 10. Stand up straight 11. Don’t be an emotional outlet for others 12. Never play second fiddle, just leave 13. Make others earn your respect 14. Don’t give compliments 15. Act like you got **** to do, even when you don’t 16. Don’t throw your pearls before swine 17. Always remember “Nice guys finish last” 18. Always hide your anger 19. Choose your battles 20. Trust your gut 21. Be your own main man 22. Always have class, confidence, and charisma
Radu Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 If obeyed, those rules will turn you into an as*hole, which is not an 'alpha male'. They have some similar qualities, which is why some women go for them, but they are hardly good for a LTR and i doubt you can pull it off forever, since it's not in your nature. 5
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Without further a due "The Rules of The Alpha Male" 1. Have an external locus of control 2. Don’t give your boss and coworkers a reason to bitch about you 3. Don’t second guess yourself 4. Don’t care what other people think, 90% are below you in intellect, style, and taste 5. Combine rules 3 and 4 into an agency of confidence 6. Don’t trust cute girls, they only want to use you 7. Always deny or take advantage of those trying to do the same to you 8. Never turn down drunk sex 9. Never get emotionally attached 10. Stand up straight 11. Don’t be an emotional outlet for others 12. Never play second fiddle, just leave 13. Make others earn your respect 14. Don’t give compliments 15. Act like you got **** to do, even when you don’t 16. Don’t throw your pearls before swine 17. Always remember “Nice guys finish last” 18. Always hide your anger 19. Choose your battles 20. Trust your gut 21. Be your own main man 22. Always have class, confidence, and charisma OP, how old are you? This list makes me think you are very young, late teens, max 20?
Author Iggy Pop Posted August 7, 2012 Author Posted August 7, 2012 Awesome video runner. In regards to my age you were pretty close, I'm 21. In response to the first comment, I do think a lot of these are dickish behaviors. However I observe other men using them with what appears to be success, which may only be superficial. I also agree that these behaviors will not lead to a long term relationship, but they may get me laid. At the very least I'm gonna see what its like to be a douche.
TheFinalWord Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 . 1. Have an external locus of control External locus of control means you attribute external forces to your success and failure (victim mentality). I think you mean internal. . girl I love is dating a tool etc Did this girl love you back? It's not love unless the other person loves you back. It's infatuation/crush, whatever you want to call it. Not love. Love is built on respect and takes time. You don't know it's love until you see someone's true colors, when they're there for you in a hard time. So after my latest failed romantic endeavor, I've concluded that I need to shift my behavior. Don't change who you are because of someone else's opinion Some of those things on that list will turn you into a scum bag. Instead of alpha/beta, just man up. Respect yourself and others will. Be true to yourself. Don't get so upset b/c one girl didn't reciprocate interest. Just accept it and move on. 4. Don’t care what other people think, 90% are below you in intellect, style, and taste You should care what people think and respect their opinions; but disregard negative people's comments. If you are in the top 90%, well with great power comes great responsibility 14. Don’t give compliments You should compliment people if they do something well or are nice to you. 16. Don’t throw your pearls before swine That's from the sermon on the mount; I think you should read the rest, especially as it pertains to your rule 7. 18. Always hide your anger That's not healthy bro. If you have an issue with a person you should talk to them about it. Burying emotions isn't healthy. 19. Choose your battles 20. Trust your gut 21. Be your own main man 22. Always have class, confidence, and charisma Those are pretty good. Definitely choose your battles; as it pertains to dating figure out quickly if a relationship is worth fighting for. If a woman shows no respect early on, or plays games, don't stall with ending things. The problem is 22 clashes with a bunch of your others. Having class means having character and not lowering yourself to the level of those who use and slander other people. 2
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Awesome video runner. In regards to my age you were pretty close, I'm 21. In response to the first comment, I do think a lot of these are dickish behaviors. However I observe other men using them with what appears to be success, which may only be superficial. I also agree that these behaviors will not lead to a long term relationship, but they may get me laid. At the very least I'm gonna see what its like to be a douche. It is probably true that this behaviour will get you laid. What you don't know yet however is that this sort of behaviour is very difficult to shake off once it becomes a habit. Turning yourself into an ******* might compromise your chances for future healthy long term relationships. That's the biggest danger of this list. 2
Janesays Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Is that REALLY the kind of man you want to be? Think carefully before you answer. I personally don't think giving up yourself and your morals is worth a mere piece of a$$. That's not MY definition of a real man, anyway. *shrugs 1
darkmoon Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 i know an alpha male wannabe, he feels compelled to shout and control, but can be ok, but it's supermen like donald trump who are really in the alpha league, he has nothing to prove thru shouting, but is quietly at the top, he's really an alpha - men who are not really alpha just control conversations and relationships with women to feel big which just make them obnoxious
durentu Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) *FACEPALM* First mistake - being something you're not Second mistake - not realizing that nice guys have all the power Third mistake - making an emotional decision But, like everyone else, they like to learn the hard way. good luck. If the goal is to get laid - just get a reputable prostitute. They are clean, experts, and far superior than the random drunk girl. Plus, you don't have to be emotional with them because both of you know it's short term. Ask a limo driver for recommendations, like "scent of a woman". Edited August 7, 2012 by durentu 1
GoodOnPaper Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Second mistake - not realizing that nice guys have all the power. That's a new one. I think most of us equate nice guy with lack of power. What do you mean? 1
EasyHeart Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 22. Always have class, confidence, and charismaJust try doing this one and forget all the other crap. 4
Lonely Ronin Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 That's a new one. I think most of us equate nice guy with lack of power. What do you mean? Most of you are wrong then. A true nice guy demands a certain lever of respect (treat people fairly) be given to him and those around him.
Cracker Jack Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 People are too obsessed with titles these days.... Focus on being a good man. No reason to get caught up in this Alpha/Beta nonsense. That's for forum warriors. 3
Taramere Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 supermen like donald trump who are really in the alpha league, he has nothing to prove thru shouting, but is quietly at the top, he's really an alpha - men who are not really alpha just control conversations and relationships with women to feel big which just make them obnoxious Ah yes...that quietly classy, eternally gracious and dignified, whispering rustle of silk known as Donald Trump. 1
EasyHeart Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Well, you have to look at everyone in context. Trump is a New Yorker. By NY standards, he is calm and classy.
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Without further a due "The Rules of The Alpha Male" 1. Have an external locus of control 2. Don’t give your boss and coworkers a reason to bitch about you 3. Don’t second guess yourself 4. Don’t care what other people think, 90% are below you in intellect, style, and taste 5. Combine rules 3 and 4 into an agency of confidence 6. Don’t trust cute girls, they only want to use you 7. Always deny or take advantage of those trying to do the same to you 8. Never turn down drunk sex 9. Never get emotionally attached 10. Stand up straight 11. Don’t be an emotional outlet for others 12. Never play second fiddle, just leave 13. Make others earn your respect 14. Don’t give compliments 15. Act like you got **** to do, even when you don’t 16. Don’t throw your pearls before swine 17. Always remember “Nice guys finish last” 18. Always hide your anger 19. Choose your battles 20. Trust your gut 21. Be your own main man 22. Always have class, confidence, and charisma 1. I think you mean "internal", but agreed. 8. I think you should always turn down drunk sex. Everything else sounds pretty good.
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 The real Iggy Pop might hunt you down and flay you ... 4
Leopard Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Being an alpha male has nothing to do with behaviour. It has to do with pheromones. These behaviours are also a result of being an alpha, but a nice guy doing these things won't turn into an alpha.
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Seriously: I believe that the goal of being an "Alpha Male," as defined by lame Internet memes, is not a worthwhile pursuit for a smart young man. How about spending the effort defining what you want out of life and what kind of a MAN you want to be. Do you really think that taking advantage of drunk people is a worthy goal? Who says that 90% of people are "below" you? Do you think you'll be happy living an entire lifetime without emotional connections and attachments? I just want you to think about it. There is no reason to be a doormat, either, but you might want to look for different role models than those put forth by the PUA community. They're truly bogus. 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Being an alpha male has nothing to do with behaviour. It has to do with pheromones. These behaviours are also a result of being an alpha, but a nice guy doing these things won't turn into an alpha. This is true. Someone like me acting alpha is going to look like a silly loser. You are either alpha or you're not.
Leopard Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 This is true. Someone like me acting alpha is going to look like a silly loser. You are either alpha or you're not. Exactly. But it doesn't mean that just because you're not an alpha that you aren't attractive or liked by many women. Might I ask why you feel that you need to be an alpha? What about yourself do you feel is inadequate?
ThaWholigan Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Exactly. But it doesn't mean that just because you're not an alpha that you aren't attractive or liked by many women. Might I ask why you feel that you need to be an alpha? What about yourself do you feel is inadequate? Men who "aren't" Alpha males are presented as "Beta" males, who are "supposedly" weak, supplicant, average, cannot attract women, physically inferior and unattractive etc.....and this is basically how quite a few men online see themselves - or worse, as omega males, which is as low as you can get. The irony of the Alpha male argument (as entertaining as it is) is that humans have an element of complexity that effectively rules the rigid label of Alpha and Beta male obsolete. Each person has a set of characteristics that one can embrace and add learnable traits on top of to complement their character. There are characteristics I have that are unique to me, and I complement them by learning other traits that I feel complement my core character in order to shape the person I am and acquire the things I need out of life and do the same for everyone else. The "Alpha" is seen as the be all and end all, the man who has money, looks, status, and women clamoring to have sex with them all day every day. Which is why some men may feel that they need to be "Alpha". When that is only a fraction of what most people's definition of the human Alpha male is (which differs among people).
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Exactly. But it doesn't mean that just because you're not an alpha that you aren't attractive or liked by many women. Might I ask why you feel that you need to be an alpha? What about yourself do you feel is inadequate? I don't necessarily think I have to be alpha, I just think it makes things easier. I think what's inadequate is that I'm just no good at interacting with women in a way that intrigues or attracts them.
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 So after my latest failed romantic endeavor, I've concluded that I need to shift my behavior. I won't waste time with details, but I'm the typical "nice guy" always friend zoned, girl I love is dating a tool etc... It sucks to be rejected but might as well get used to it because it's not the last time I'm afraid. It happens to everyone and what marks you out from many is the resilience you develop and the character you keep. Being true to yourself is what many call and understand to be 'alpha' if you believe in categorising it as such. 2
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