Woggle Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I am just wondering if anybody has a better life as result of all the bitterness and animosity between men and women. It seems like it just created a whole of bitter and unhappy people. Is anybody benefiting from the current state of affairs except for maybe divorce lawyers and people who have a vested and pitting men and women against each other? 1
FitChick Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 You need to go back to Costa Rica for another vacation or maybe live there permanently. You seemed a lot happier. 3
aj22one Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I suspect a gender war is just like any other war: there are no winners. Well, except for the people who figure out a way to make money off it. haha 1
Cracker Jack Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 The people who don't bother participating in the nonsense. 6
Author Woggle Posted August 7, 2012 Author Posted August 7, 2012 You need to go back to Costa Rica for another vacation or maybe live there permanently. You seemed a lot happier. If I could afford it I probably would.
threebyfate Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Gender wars are to Epic Fail, as methane is to cows. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Actually, there are no "winners" in so-called "gender wars" because the people who wallow in all of that crap are losers by definition. 1
dreamingoftigers Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 What "gender wars"? I was just about to go there myself. What are these so-called "gender" "wars." I've heard of the Battle for women's rights. When I grew up I heard of the "battle" of the sexes. I also grew up during the end of the Cold War. I've seen through the media: 2 gulf wars, afghanistan, Bosnia, Rwanda (that was more of a massacre), Chechnya, Libya being overthrown.... Etc etc etc A gender "war?" when did it get upgraded to this? Are we sending young men and women to fight one another? Are we arming? Do I need to bring an umbrella? My bet: if you went outside and asked 100 people randomly about their stance on the Gender Wars, the first answer you will probably get is "huh?" Or "d'ya mean the fight I get into with the wife everytime I tell her I want to spend the rent on getting a motorcycle?" Really, a gender war?
amaysngrace Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Are gender wars the same thing as inequality?
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 There definitely quite a few people, like Woggle, who are supremely invested in the idea of igniting so-called "gender wars" and doing whatever they can to keep them going. I had no idea until I showed up on LoveShack. 1
oaks Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I am just wondering if anybody has a better life as result of all the bitterness and animosity between men and women. I have a pretty good life without bitterness or animosity towards or from the opposite sex. I think you're proposing an interesting experiment, but I don't need to try it just now. 1
Taramere Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I don't see a gender war. I remember when I was growing up in the 1980s militant feminists who hated men and wanted to exclude them from their lives were a source of mirth for society generally, and tended to be rejected by women in the mainstream. There seems to be an equivalent small and inconsequential "movement" today of crazy men ranting on the internet, campaigning against chivalry, raising pointless and vexatious legal actions etc. I'm sure it will go the same way as the militant "SCUM manifesto" type feminism. Most people are rational enough not to want to associate themselves with a pack of paranoid lunatics who spend their lives campaigning to outlaw anything and everything that isn't 100% in line with their own philosophy. 1
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I agree with the posters that see 'gender wars' as some artificially inflated troublemaking spread chiefly via the Internet. I suspect the average person with less time on their hands doesn't care one bit about this nonsense If my friends saw this thread their reaction would be 2
Author Woggle Posted August 7, 2012 Author Posted August 7, 2012 By gender wars I mean the serious bitterness between men and women these days. If people think that gender relations are good they have their head in the sand. For the record I am not invested in the idea of igniting a gender war. I would love nothing more than for it to end.
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 By gender wars I mean the serious bitterness between men and women these days. Not that many people feel that way, that's what some of us are saying. Sure people feel down from time to time and they post stuff but they usually get over it yet the posts stay. 1
Author Woggle Posted August 7, 2012 Author Posted August 7, 2012 Not that many people feel that way, that's what some of us are saying. Sure people feel down from time to time and they post stuff but they usually get over it yet the posts stay. Just look at the comments on any article about any issue relating to gender. Look at how men and women these days just can't seem to make relationships work anymore.
Emilia Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Just look at the comments on any article about any issue relating to gender. You mean the 16 year-olds' comments? Because not a huge number of mature adults bother commenting on random articles. Look at how men and women these days just can't seem to make relationships work anymore. As opposed to in the good old days when you were seen as left on the shelf if you didn't get married and stigmatised if you divorced? Conflict is as old as mankind Woggle, it's just that nowdays we are more open about it. There are fewer taboos. 3
joystickd Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Gender arguments. I look at it in regards to on here as both genders don't or want to understand that the opposite sex it different on some level. Men want women to date like men and use logic. You see the complaints from bitter guys. In that same token women want men to approach intimacy like women. You see some of the women on here that complain like they think every man is trying to put their dick in them. One common issue with communication is the 3 date rule. When really its not a bad rule but the thing is most people assume 3 dates in a short span of time. You could spread the dates out and spend time in between dates really getting to know one another whether it be phone calls or however you want to communicate. That possibility gets lost because once 3 date rule comes up it turns to an uproar. Also at the same time there is a lot of pointing blame at the opposite sex for their own failures at dating. Its easier to get mad and point the finger than actually examining what is really the problem of why you fail at dating and more than likely it's you. Hell look at the anger and ways people go to rationalize that they are not the blame for their own failures at dating. If you really look at the bitter men and women on here they all got one thing in common. They are their own worst enemy and the reason they fail at dating is themselves but they hate to accept that
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 By gender wars I mean the serious bitterness between men and women these days. Just because a contingent of sad individuals are bitter and vocal about it doesn't make it a "war," even if the recipients of the bitterness speak up against it. For the record I am not invested in the idea of igniting a gender war. I would love nothing more than for it to end. So dishonest ...
serial muse Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) For the record I am not invested in the idea of igniting a gender war. I would love nothing more than for it to end. Maybe you really believe that you think this...but the truth is, it's pretty obvious that when it comes to what to click on, you choose the stuff that'll piss you off. That's the whole point of confirmation bias. How many times have you posted on here about your anger over men getting cheated on in the infidelity forum, as some sort of proof of something? But there are many, many women who are also getting cheated on, of course. And here's the thing. You may know this intellectually, but when it comes to what you feel like clicking on, what interests you, what you deep-down want to read - you're going to choose the threads about the dudes. And then you get pissed, and then you link to them for us all to read, and it's like all of that other data doesn't exist for you - at least not in the same space. You can acknowledge intellectually that it's there, but you don't feel that it matters as much, because you choose to read a lot less of it. And that is the part that is entirely on you. Those are your choices. That's the part you're contributing to the so-called gender wars. You keep making those same choices, and then coming here and telling us "see? How can I not get pissed off when I read this?" Well, yes. But it's what you choose to read. It's not passively washing over you. You are making choices, although you are consistently telling yourself you aren't. Just like the bitter brigade, who tell themselves that life has done this to them, and that they're not responsible for being the playthings of fate. BS. Yes, shxt happens to good people. We've all had crap happen to us. Yes, there are a LOT of things out of our control. But anger isn't one of them. Edited August 7, 2012 by serial muse 3
dreamingoftigers Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Just look at the comments on any article about any issue relating to gender. Look at how men and women these days just can't seem to make relationships work anymore. My husband has a thing for looking up the headlines online. He checks the comments section too. It takes a long time each day for him to "keep current" as he says. I finished school six weeks early so I'm back in here with a vagrancy during my little paid vacation. Mostly if he notices the comment section he laughs at the moronic nature of it as MOST people do. I would say maybe 1 in 500 people get involved in the comments section. Most people have to be really moved to write something. Then there are the Internet Superheroes, mostly kids off for summer or what have you that have way too much time on their hands. Most intelligent or mature people won't bother with getting into a ****storm on places like yahoo or stupid "gender" articles. Most of those gender issues were decided decades ago and I'm pretty sure that I can go out and work a crappy job for equal pay (a lot of the upper positions are still being held by the "Old Boys Club" but that's changing). Little idiots that don't want to make anything of their lives or invite a woman to have equal influence in a relationship are more than welcome to do so. They probably won't have happy marriages where they feel like their wife respects them. She probably won't because he spends day and night on the Internet trolling and denigrating women. As for the women on the opposite end. Who even knows how that trainwreck is going to crash, but it probably won't be lovely. Nobody of the opposite sex generally likes hanging out with haters of such. It's kind of like being the black guy at the White Power rally. You don't tend to feel too popular. And you aren't going to respect anyone there. You probably aren't going to stay long either. Have you even taken a lot of time to read those comments? (*ahem* I'm guessing so). Can you seriously see a ton of people with a boatload of personal responsibility and otherwise kind natures writing them on a regular basis? Have you thought about their age and self-victimization status? How is that crap helping anyone? Jeez. I really hope not many take it seriously. It's just like every other period in history where people have felt they needed a scapegoat to blame their life crap on. It's been blamed on Jews, blacks and poor people, why not the opposite sex or more currently fat people. Ridiculous. And it's all got the same root, self-dissatisfaction followed by blaming and hate. "I don't have a girlfriend and nobody loves me because of "Hypergamy" "gold-digging" "women only want xyz set of combinations I don't have" "women only use sex to get classier men." " "Men are useless" stuff from some woman trying to get goats because she's mad that the last guy dumped her for being a total pain in the ass. Most people see right through this stuff. The regular women on LS hear it so much that it often doesn't even produce a bitter rise from them. More often we just want the poor bastard to work in himself so he might get out of his own self-induced misery some day and quit making other women feel like crap. I'm more likely to notice that the dude can't spell or that some of the older one's that have become so drilled into that crap border on sociopathic though-processes. Woggle, it's an empty vat. If you were to open up a container that held all of the hate and bitterness of the world, you'd find that there was nothing of value in it. The would be no worthwhile reaction made from the contents. The vast vast majority of us want to go sit in the Sun or sorbs time with our kids or work on a hobby instead of trying to figure out the workings of the stupid empty vat of hate. And seriously Woggle: life's too fuc*ing short. There's got to be a better hobby than deciphering what some random chick on the Internet said about men. Maybe instead of being riled here on loveshack week to week, go out, just BE a man (not like "man up" or "grow a pair" or what have you) but just BE, and in that sense be an Ambassador for men to a) look up to and/or b) for women to see as decent. Help someone move, be a Big Brother or whatever the New Jersey equivalent is. Something that better reflects masculine traits and values than trying to flagellate stupid "misandrists" and trolls who are just trying to get you riled.
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