TheBigQuestion Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Fine. You are all correct, women only sleep with the top 20% of men (even though the article directly addressed this), all women are entitled stupid evilheads who only want rich Adonises, and none of us ever have any problems in dating compared to you poor men. There. Happy? You're right back to where you started. Well, I personally never actuall said any of those things, nor did I imply them. Back where I started? You mean in a relationship and happy as a fat kid in a candy store? Sure. I never left that place, though.
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I'm going to go with people believe what makes them feel better. Simply put most people don't want to own up to the fact that they are limiting themselves, not someone else. More self confidence mumbo jumbo. Not everything can be solved with a healthy attitude.
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I don't believe in the 80/20 rule. I believe 80% of the women want that 20% of guys but are all of that 80% being monopolized by that small percentage(20%) of men? Not even close Like I said 80-20 is a gross exaggeration. It's more like 35/20.
Author verhrzn Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Well, I personally never actuall said any of those things, nor did I imply them. Back where I started? You mean in a relationship and happy as a fat kid in a candy store? Sure. I never left that place, though. Yay for you, but how are you helping other guys NOT in a relationship and happy? By supporting the notion that women are up on a pedestal? That women never have dating problems, or shortages? That women are simultaneously judgy sluts? ("Choosing" men like from a menu, turning their nose down at "average" guys but throwing their legs open for hot rich men.) How are ANY of those attitudes helpful??
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Of the men I have had sex and/or a relationship with, I did the approaching most of the time. I put this down to being raised by a grouping of people that resulted in a pretty gender neutral leaning. It never occurred to me to wait to be approached by the guy I wanted. I met a guy I liked and was single? I made my move. The difference was that when I found an interest in someone it was never just about attaining sex. I care about who I have sex with, not just that I could get laid. That never goes over well even for women. I took a friend to a birthday outing. She had had a pretty bad run of it with dating in the previous year and was getting low over it. She proceeded to get drunk to forget her troubles and began hitting on every guy in the group. They reacted the same way women do when approached by a guy who is obviously out to get laid that night and isn't terribly picky about who they take home. I was asked to take her home because she was making the fellas in the group really uncomfortable. You guys act more like women than you think when approached by a woman you have zero interest in. Even if they have decent looks (because she is a cute and thin girl) a sense of desperation kills the attraction even for you - just like it does for women. 1
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Couldn't possibly be that maybe the 80% of men aren't interested in the left over women the 20% didn't want. If men are so desperate to end their dry spell, why not sleep with those women? Oh, right, because men shouldn't have to lower their standards. Except women apparently lower theirs all the time which is why they can get sex so easily. Does anyone not notice what a Funhouse Mirror of Logic this all is? I actually agree with the majority of what you're saying in this thread BTW Anyways, men have much much much lower standards for sex than women do. That's the reason why any girl can walk into a bar and get laid. Guys cannot do that because it takes a whole lot of work to be able to get a woman to want to sleep with you I think that's the only difference in the dating game, it's about equal otherwise
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Of the men I have had sex and/or a relationship with, I did the approaching most of the time. I put this down to being raised by a grouping of people that resulted in a pretty gender neutral leaning. It never occurred to me to wait to be approached by the guy I wanted. I met a guy I liked and was single? I made my move. The difference was that when I found an interest in someone it was never just about attaining sex. I care about who I have sex with, not just that I could get laid. That never goes over well even for women. I took a friend to a birthday outing. She had had a pretty bad run of it with dating in the previous year and was getting low over it. She proceeded to get drunk to forget her troubles and began hitting on every guy in the group. They reacted the same way women do when approached by a guy who is obviously out to get laid that night and isn't terribly picky about who they take home. I was asked to take her home because she was making the fellas in the group really uncomfortable. You guys act more like women than you think when approached by a woman you have zero interest in. Even if they have decent looks (because she is a cute and thin girl) a sense of desperation kills the attraction even for you - just like it does for women. Interesting post Was she hitting on very good looking/high status guys? I can't imagine how or why any guy would turn down a decent looking girl for sex I've seen good looking/successful guys sleep with fat girls because they were horny enough. Personally I don't think that guys have any standards when it comes to sex. Very interesting post though, I can't say I've ever seen that before
Author verhrzn Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Interesting post Was she hitting on very good looking/high status guys? I can't imagine how or why any guy would turn down a decent looking girl for sex I've seen good looking/successful guys sleep with fat girls because they were horny enough. Personally I don't think that guys have any standards when it comes to sex. Very interesting post though, I can't say I've ever seen that before Because of the desperation. You've said the very same thing about me... that I'm decent looking (*cough* all will power channeled to avoid arguing *cough*) but that my entire desperate and sad attitude would be a major turn off.
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Interesting post Was she hitting on very good looking/high status guys? I can't imagine how or why any guy would turn down a decent looking girl for sex I've seen good looking/successful guys sleep with fat girls because they were horny enough. Personally I don't think that guys have any standards when it comes to sex. Very interesting post though, I can't say I've ever seen that before They were pretty average looking guys. And while I agree that the behavior of some guys comes across like they will screw any girl willing it still has to be presented in a familiar and therefore comfortable manner. It has to fit the "mating dance" profile and she wasn't dancing well that night.
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Because of the desperation. You've said the very same thing about me... that I'm decent looking (*cough* all will power channeled to avoid arguing *cough*) but that my entire desperate and sad attitude would be a major turn off. I thought you had no problems getting laid, just couldn't get a guy to stay in a relationship with you I've always believed that men are just as picky for relationships but they have no standards when it comes to sex. I'm just astonished by Sally's story
TheBigQuestion Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Yay for you, but how are you helping other guys NOT in a relationship and happy? By supporting the notion that women are up on a pedestal? That women never have dating problems, or shortages? That women are simultaneously judgy sluts? ("Choosing" men like from a menu, turning their nose down at "average" guys but throwing their legs open for hot rich men.) How are ANY of those attitudes helpful?? All I ever said was that women typically have more options. I never said women have more power or should be put on a pedestal. In fact, I disavowed that position entirely. I also never even came close to asserting that women never have dating problems. I never said or implied that women are "judgy sluts." If you're going to debate me to any degree, at least stick to statements I've actually made. Notice that I actually agreed with the overall message of the article. I made a single point about how women will typically have more options, probably because men are the aggressors, and you (predictably) jumped on that tidbit and focused on it to the exclusion of everything else. With that said, it isn't my responsibility to help the clueless men here.
Author verhrzn Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 I thought you had no problems getting laid, just couldn't get a guy to stay in a relationship with you I've always believed that men are just as picky for relationships but they have no standards when it comes to sex. I'm just astonished by Sally's story I actually have an easier time getting a relationship than I do getting laid.
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) I actually have an easier time getting a relationship than I do getting laid. I dunno what to tell you. Even my good looking male friends have zero standards for sex when they've had enough alcohol and I've seen them screw women who were legitimately below average looking You're not bad looking at all. Hell the first girl I ever slept with was legitimately chubby and did not have a cute face. I just did it to get my V card out of the way Hell I would have loved to have lost it with somebody who looked like you Edited August 3, 2012 by brahmabull117
veggirl Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I don't believe in the 80/20 thing, but... I meet few men who have a lack of options. The 80-20 rule is something I have never seen. You also live in the land of "most people love gang bangs" 1
ThaWholigan Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I don't believe in the 80/20 thing, but... You also live in the land of "most people love gang bangs" Not most I had met quite a few girls who did gangbangs because of the area I live in and the people I have mixed with over the years. I don't think it's indicative of what people in my city get up to, but it's not as uncommon as people think.
Lonely Ronin Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 More self confidence mumbo jumbo. Not everything can be solved with a healthy attitude. I didn't say self confidence. Simply put most people don't want to own up to the fact that they are limiting themselves, not someone else. You can limit your self in several ways, and none of them are related to your self confidence. 1. Playing video games 4 hrs a day 2. Bad personal hygiene 3. Your living situation 4. Your Job 5. Who your friends are and that's just to name a few.
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 More self confidence mumbo jumbo. Not everything can be solved with a healthy attitude. Healthy attitude is the key to life What's the difference between the guys your age who have college degrees, good high paying jobs, relationships with attractive women, healthy and social lifes and you? You've already mentioned that you're reasonably decent looking and you come off as being sociable here so I'll tell you difference - healthy attitude and drive to get what one wants Hell, I'm 23 and I am about to receive a business degree from a top 25 school. I got an interview set up on tuesday to sell cars at one of the biggest dealerships in my state (a job that could allow me to make 60+ k at a very early age). What's the difference between me and you? I go after and get what I want, guys like you sit at home and make excuses for everything. That's about it, only difference Life ain't that hard. You got winners and you got losers. You got people who try to grab life by the horns and get what they want and you got people who are deathly afraid of their own shadows who try to shrink and make themselves as small as possible...for what reason again? The only thing stopping you from getting what you want is you
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 What's the difference between the guys your age who have college degrees, good high paying jobs, relationships with attractive women, healthy and social lifes and you? They didn't waste their college years. That's the difference. I majorly messed up and can't go back and fix it.
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 They didn't waste their college years. That's the difference. I majorly messed up and can't go back and fix it. You're not 40 years old man. It's never too late to fix your life 1
Author verhrzn Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Life ain't that hard. You got winners and you got losers. You got people who try to grab life by the horns and get what they want and you got people who are deathly afraid of their own shadows who try to shrink and make themselves as small as possible...for what reason again? The only thing stopping you from getting what you want is you Well... and the other person, at least in relationship terms. After all, if I really want someone, I can't just "get them" unless they WANT to be got. I agree that you can "go after" things you want in life by being aggressive in terms of job and things. And you can aggressively pursue a relationship. But pursuing a specific person FOR a relationship when they might not want one is a good distinction to make.
Lonely Ronin Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Fixed this for you! It's never too late to fix your life
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Well... and the other person, at least in relationship terms. After all, if I really want someone, I can't just "get them" unless they WANT to be got. I agree that you can "go after" things you want in life by being aggressive in terms of job and things. And you can aggressively pursue a relationship. But pursuing a specific person FOR a relationship when they might not want one is a good distinction to make. Verzn your problems from your own admission are a result of your social awkwardness The reason you're socially awkward is because you're very uncomfortable in your own skin/likely have low self esteem and no confidence You're going to continue to struggle to get a relationship until you become comfortable in your own skin. I had a girl in my class last semester that was downright ugly - had acne scars all over her face and everything. She still had a very nice personality and had a great boyfriend that was actually not a bad looking guy There are lots and lots of women with worse genetics than you who are in happy relationships
Author verhrzn Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Verzn your problems from your own admission are a result of your social awkwardness The reason you're socially awkward is because you're very uncomfortable in your own skin/likely have low self esteem and no confidence You're going to continue to struggle to get a relationship until you become comfortable in your own skin. I had a girl in my class last semester that was downright ugly - had acne scars all over her face and everything. She still had a very nice personality and had a great boyfriend that was actually not a bad looking guy There are lots and lots of women with worse genetics than you who are in happy relationships Uh.... well, I actually wasn't talking about myself. I just meant that we should make a distinction between "getting a relationship" (sure, be aggressive, grab the bull by the horns) and "getting a relationship with a specific person." (Probably need their consent.) If we're using me, it doesn't matter HOW socially non-awkward I am, a person may still not want to date me, and no amount of "grabbing the bull of life by the horns!" will change that. See what I mean?
brahmabull117 Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 If we're using me, it doesn't matter HOW socially non-awkward I am, a person may still not want to date me, and no amount of "grabbing the bull of life by the horns!" will change that. See what I mean? Grabbing life by the horns doesn't mean you force every opportunity, even when it may or may not be successful It means that you do your best to consistently put yourself in winning situations and maximizing every situation and everyday - that means talking to a lot of guys with that positive attitude and then something good will happen
jobaba Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Healthy attitude is the key to life What's the difference between the guys your age who have college degrees, good high paying jobs, relationships with attractive women, healthy and social lifes and you? You've already mentioned that you're reasonably decent looking and you come off as being sociable here so I'll tell you difference - healthy attitude and drive to get what one wants Hell, I'm 23 and I am about to receive a business degree from a top 25 school. I got an interview set up on tuesday to sell cars at one of the biggest dealerships in my state (a job that could allow me to make 60+ k at a very early age). What's the difference between me and you? I go after and get what I want, guys like you sit at home and make excuses for everything. That's about it, only difference Life ain't that hard. You got winners and you got losers. You got people who try to grab life by the horns and get what they want and you got people who are deathly afraid of their own shadows who try to shrink and make themselves as small as possible...for what reason again? The only thing stopping you from getting what you want is you Hate to inform you, but YOU are the one with the bad attitude, dude. No insults. Just think about it...
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