counterman Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Amongst the many girls I've approached today, one of them was a PUA coach. I spoke to her a bit and then she said she had a boyfriend but said she was really impressed with my approach, since she's a PUA coach. Then I asked her what she teaches guys and she says "basic social interactions". She runs boot camps and each camp goes for 3 days, where they do in-class demonstrations as well as taking the clients to clubs and getting them to pick-up girls. But the thing is, it' costs $3000 for each boot camp... She says the guys who go to these boot camps are great guys but they just don't know how to socialise with women properly. She mentioned that she teaches them how to approach different scenarios, kino escalation and that most of the things she teach is 'natural game'. I personally would not fork out $3k for a boot camp like this... but then again, I don't know personally know anyone who's been through this. If you have done this, is it life-changing? She also said that if I did try any PUA stuff, she would immediately know, which I thought was hilarious Just thought I would share that story
yongyong Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Have you been to a business seminar? do they really give you a secret? Or do you come with a motivation that will stay temporarily? What they will teach is pretty common sense. of course if you don't know anything about woman, every information would sound like a brilliant info. I believe most guys never cold approached women in life. they will be forced to approach due to the investment they made and pressure from the instructor. Basically you pay someone $3000 so they can tell you 'approach her' Do personal trainers teach you how to get into shape? No Without an appointment with a personal trainer, you are likely to skip the gym. When personal trainer is just standing next to you, you will exercise harder too. You thought you couldn't swim. you never tried swimming because of this fear. One day, someone throws you in the water and you had to swim to survive. you realized you had that ability! It's smilar. they approach women by pressure and just discover their hidden ability! Only dumbass will think 'oh the instructor changed me' No, you already had that power in you idiot. If you are successful guy who can just spend it, do it for fun experience (like going to skydiving). If you have to think about it many times, you can't afford it. 1
ascendotum Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 How did you meet her cman, just randomly? If so kind of an unusual career girl to come across. $3K, for a 3 day seminar is kind of steep. I've been on some expensive IT seminars, but for stuff like this, seems pretty steep when there is a bunch free or relatively cheap stuff floating around on the www and its not like its highly technical. Should have made you feel really good that she was really impressed with your approach....so in theory you should be doing well yes? I've seen a few clips of some of these PUA classes, and looking at the guys who are the students, you can just tell that its no shock they are there for help.
Author counterman Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 Have you been to a business seminar? do they really give you a secret? Or do you come with a motivation that will stay temporarily? What they will teach is pretty common sense. of course if you don't know anything about woman, every information would sound like a brilliant info. I believe most guys never cold approached women in life. they will be forced to approach due to the investment they made and pressure from the instructor. Basically you pay someone $3000 so they can tell you 'approach her' Do personal trainers teach you how to get into shape? No Without an appointment with a personal trainer, you are likely to skip the gym. When personal trainer is just standing next to you, you will exercise harder too. You thought you couldn't swim. you never tried swimming because of this fear. One day, someone throws you in the water and you had to swim to survive. you realized you had that ability! It's smilar. they approach women by pressure and just discover their hidden ability! Only dumbass will think 'oh the instructor changed me' No, you already had that power in you idiot. If you are successful guy who can just spend it, do it for fun experience (like going to skydiving). If you have to think about it many times, you can't afford it. That's exactly it. They pay for the instructors to tell them to approach girls. It's like giving 3000$ to your friend and telling him 'don't give me the money back if I don't approach a certain amount of girls'. :eek: HOW MUCH??? :eek::eek: I know I was thinking 'what the f...' How did you meet her cman, just randomly? If so kind of an unusual career girl to come across. $3K, for a 3 day seminar is kind of steep. I've been on some expensive IT seminars, but for stuff like this, seems pretty steep when there is a bunch free or relatively cheap stuff floating around on the www and its not like its highly technical. Should have made you feel really good that she was really impressed with your approach....so in theory you should be doing well yes? I've seen a few clips of some of these PUA classes, and looking at the guys who are the students, you can just tell that its no shock they are there for help. Yep, it was randomly; saw her walking by and just walked up to her and said hi. There really was nothing impressive about it... but I always appreciate it when a girl smiles after being approached or makes a comment like the one she did. I'm doing okay - slowly picking it up again and getting comfortable talking to girls. The dates will start rolling in soon (I hope ) I agree - $3k is really steep. And, like you said, there's plenty of free material around. If those guys put themselves out there and kept trying, they would eventually pick it up. But I think the boot camps give them a bit of confidence and a taste of success which may keep them going by themselves afterwards. I've seen some of those classes too and it is clear they're seeking help and kudos to them for doing something about it instead of sitting around, even if it means forking out a heap of cash.
mickleb Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 I've seen some of those classes too and it is clear they're seeking help and kudos to them for doing something about it instead of sitting around, even if it means forking out a heap of cash. If people are unhappy about their lives, they should do something about it, but to fleece a guy bare of $1000 a day and call it 'helping' is taking the p*ss. The things a guy could do with $3000 that would improve his quality of life, self-esteem and chances with women! Unbelievable! 1
Radu Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Amongst the many girls I've approached today, one of them was a PUA coach. I spoke to her a bit and then she said she had a boyfriend but said she was really impressed with my approach, since she's a PUA coach. Then I asked her what she teaches guys and she says "basic social interactions". She runs boot camps and each camp goes for 3 days, where they do in-class demonstrations as well as taking the clients to clubs and getting them to pick-up girls. But the thing is, it' costs $3000 for each boot camp... She says the guys who go to these boot camps are great guys but they just don't know how to socialise with women properly. She mentioned that she teaches them how to approach different scenarios, kino escalation and that most of the things she teach is 'natural game'. I personally would not fork out $3k for a boot camp like this... but then again, I don't know personally know anyone who's been through this. If you have done this, is it life-changing? She also said that if I did try any PUA stuff, she would immediately know, which I thought was hilarious Just thought I would share that story Dude, it's a freaking scam. Wanna know how to do it ? This is how : - pick up Body Language almanack by Allen Pease - read the above book and understand it - pick up Verbal Language by Allen Pease [to understand metalanguage] - pick up a few other good books like The Sex God Method by Daniel Rose and join some forums about dressing, style, clothes - go and talk to a good cheap hairdresser [straight girl], who is passionate about her work and which doesn't work in an upscale place, promiss a tip if she teaches you how to take care of hair/face/etc. Ppl love to talk about what they know, it gives them a sense of security, of belonging. During this interaction try to focus for the space between her eyes, on a spot, then start to move around in that area. - find a girl in your social circle [or just on the street], and ask her to go with her when she goes out clothes shopping. Make it clear you are not interested, you are trying to understand clothes. I did this with a college girl that was 7yrs my junior. Yes, it was embarassing, but i still get along great with her. - join a gym, pump some iron. - start hitting on girls when you are ready with the simple aim of getting as many rejections as possible in a single day, cold approaches, you won't find serious girls in clubs [for serious relationships]. - when interacting with a girl at her work place, cashier, saleswoman ... whatever, make some small talk, make a joke ... no pressure. Do not go in thinking 'i need to get her #'. There you go, do this, it will help immensely and it won't cost you3k $. With that program you are getting basically [it's Mystery's base method], a way of getting a ONS from time to time from girls who never heard of this stuff. I live in what is considered a 3rd world country, and if you tried this stuff most clubbers would laugh in your face. And let's say you wanted a relationship ? You are building with this program a facade, something that might work for the night, but which any normal girl will see through very fast, because down below it's still the same you, the one who lacks confidence. They love to try and figure us out, it's in their biology, they are very curious, you actually think that you can pull with what you get in 3d the wool over her eyes for decades ? You know why that girl told you that she will see if someone tries PUA stuff on her ? Because it's standardized. It's a one size fits all, happy pill, answer in a world where there infinite variations. Mystery's method worked best for Mystery when nobody knew of him. But Mystery is over 6 feet tall, polished his style over yrs and yrs, was a natural alpha, and he was a street magician ... those ppl who make a living out of misdirection and illusion. Oh, and the steps i wrote above ... i did it. Never pay anything big for PUA stuff, join their forums, sift through the information, make it a project, and only buy cheap books on the subject ... anything else is a scam. PS: Sorry, misread the post as made by someone who considered taking one of these scam-classes.
Imajerk17 Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 LOL. You know how far the PUA community has come a long way when everyone in it says that they are not a PUA. This isn't 2005 anymore. Anyway counterman, props. Her appraisal of your approach means more that it is coming from a woman and less that it is coming from a coach. Although she would have told you if you hadn't done well (unlike most women who would be "nice"), because she is a coach and so she is used to giving feedback. The point is that a woman honestly really liked your approach. There is some real transfer of information and skill in working with a coach in person---I don't care how much you read, most of us have a tough time gauging how we are really coming across. You do have to have some idea of what makes a good conversation and whatnot. I'm not sure if it's $3000 though. You could probably barter with a female friend much much cheaper to get her to go out with you and watch you approach. 1
Author counterman Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 If people are unhappy about their lives, they should do something about it, but to fleece a guy bare of $1000 a day and call it 'helping' is taking the p*ss. The things a guy could do with $3000 that would improve his quality of life, self-esteem and chances with women! Unbelievable! Yeah, I wouldn't do it -- there are better uses for that 3000$ IMO. That's the thing I don't like about these coaches. Most say they're not like other PUAs and that this REALLY works over the others. They say they want to help frustrated guys and then charge 1000$ per day. Dude, it's a freaking scam. Wanna know how to do it ? This is how : - pick up Body Language almanack by Allen Pease - read the above book and understand it - pick up Verbal Language by Allen Pease [to understand metalanguage] - pick up a few other good books like The Sex God Method by Daniel Rose and join some forums about dressing, style, clothes - go and talk to a good cheap hairdresser [straight girl], who is passionate about her work and which doesn't work in an upscale place, promiss a tip if she teaches you how to take care of hair/face/etc. Ppl love to talk about what they know, it gives them a sense of security, of belonging. During this interaction try to focus for the space between her eyes, on a spot, then start to move around in that area. - find a girl in your social circle [or just on the street], and ask her to go with her when she goes out clothes shopping. Make it clear you are not interested, you are trying to understand clothes. I did this with a college girl that was 7yrs my junior. Yes, it was embarassing, but i still get along great with her. - join a gym, pump some iron. - start hitting on girls when you are ready with the simple aim of getting as many rejections as possible in a single day, cold approaches, you won't find serious girls in clubs [for serious relationships]. - when interacting with a girl at her work place, cashier, saleswoman ... whatever, make some small talk, make a joke ... no pressure. Do not go in thinking 'i need to get her #'. There you go, do this, it will help immensely and it won't cost you3k $. With that program you are getting basically [it's Mystery's base method], a way of getting a ONS from time to time from girls who never heard of this stuff. I live in what is considered a 3rd world country, and if you tried this stuff most clubbers would laugh in your face. And let's say you wanted a relationship ? You are building with this program a facade, something that might work for the night, but which any normal girl will see through very fast, because down below it's still the same you, the one who lacks confidence. They love to try and figure us out, it's in their biology, they are very curious, you actually think that you can pull with what you get in 3d the wool over her eyes for decades ? You know why that girl told you that she will see if someone tries PUA stuff on her ? Because it's standardized. It's a one size fits all, happy pill, answer in a world where there infinite variations. Mystery's method worked best for Mystery when nobody knew of him. But Mystery is over 6 feet tall, polished his style over yrs and yrs, was a natural alpha, and he was a street magician ... those ppl who make a living out of misdirection and illusion. Oh, and the steps i wrote above ... i did it. Never pay anything big for PUA stuff, join their forums, sift through the information, make it a project, and only buy cheap books on the subject ... anything else is a scam. PS: Sorry, misread the post as made by someone who considered taking one of these scam-classes. Props to you man Seriously, everything you said is spot on. I should print this out and give it to those guys taking these classes. Some of the stuff you've mentioned I've done myself but you've given me some really good tips already, which I will definitely use, such as asking a female friend to go shopping. Fashion is important. Will need to learn how to take care of my face better as well With regards to what they teach, it's pretty much the same as other PUAs... but might be worded a little differently. It is definitely based on the Mystery Method. I would much prefer to develop those intrinsic and extrinsic qualities myself and become a better person overall, then learn a program which costs 3000$ and teaches me something I could learn myself. It's definitely a scam. The more and more LOL. You know how far the PUA community has come a long way when everyone in it says that they are not a PUA. This isn't 2005 anymore. Anyway counterman, props. Her appraisal of your approach means more that it is coming from a woman and less that it is coming from a coach. Although she would have told you if you hadn't done well (unlike most women who would be "nice"), because she is a coach and so she is used to giving feedback. The point is that a woman honestly really liked your approach. There is some real transfer of information and skill in working with a coach in person---I don't care how much you read, most of us have a tough time gauging how we are really coming across. You do have to have some idea of what makes a good conversation and whatnot. I'm not sure if it's $3000 though. You could probably barter with a female friend much much cheaper to get her to go out with you and watch you approach. I did appreciate the feedback from her and am happy that a woman did like my approach. Honestly, whether she a girl has a boyfriend or she's not interested or attracted to me, I find enjoyment when they're flattered by being approached. Definitely agree with what you said about most having a tough time gauging how they come across. I still have a little difficulty with it, and I've improved leaps and bounds due to the feedback people were giving me. There's always more improvement though. That's the one big thing I have a firm idea about from all the cold-approaches, seeing how a conversation is going and gauging how the interaction is going. Looking back to my first ever approach, it was so awkward and I really had no clue on how to converse normally. That's what I would do. Get a friend to help me out and watch. I have friends who work in retail and some popular fashion outlets, so I would ask them to help me with my clothes. I have girls who are really into perfumes, so they could help with that. With this, I guess I would ask a girl who is great with social interactions and has a bit of understanding with this. What I have done in the past is ask the girls I've approached what they thought of my approach. Like you said, most would say 'nice'. But after insisting that she could be honest and I wouldn't care, they let me know exactly what they like and didn't like, which is feedback I can use to improve myself.
kaylan Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Boot camps are scams. They are teaching common sense social skills that you can learn from your guy friends
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