Author ThaWholigan Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 Lets leave race out of this one folks.... 1
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 PS - Yes I am a man and wont know how it feels to be a woman called a slut. However I will say this. Women call other women sluts out of anger and spite for them all the time. If slut were the same as other words, would you not see other classes of people doing the same? I have NEVER heard a gay man angrily call another gay man a faggot, nor have I heard black people maliciously lash out in public and call someone a nigger. That right there shows you how different the words are, and how different the emotions such words invoke.Lets leave race out of this one folks.... I agree. I should have just said this to begin with. But I swear to god, why do so many topics that have NOTHING to do with race, always have someone bring it up? And many a time if race is brought up, its always us black folks haha. I swear to god it seems some people love thinking about the taboo that is the N word.
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 The thing is, the word slut does not have the same history of oppression behind it that racial slurs have. And you cannot hide your race either. So please do not be ignorant and compare the two classes of words. You can hide "slutty" behavior, but you cannot hide your race. I'm not ignorant. And what you just wrote is complete bullsh**. This world is full of biracial people who "look white" and have to sit and listen to idiots say the n word right in front of them, completely oblivious to who they are talking to. People in my own family. Gay people have to hear pea brained comments about "faggots" and then decide whether to speak up, or just go on about their business. People who choose to use disparaging words to marginalize other people are ALL PRACTICING BIGOTRY. I am talking about YOU, and the other people who are choosing to use this language in order to categorize a person. I don't care if "slut" is nicer than the n word or not. I'm not talking about who on the receiving end of this kind of thing is hurt more or less. And of course, you aren't hurting the girl at all, either, because she is not reading this. I am talking about YOU people and where YOU are coming from, which is just the same creepy place as the Aryan brothers are. There happens to be another recent thread where the subject actually turned to racial wretchedness, and I got all fired up about that one, too.
Author ThaWholigan Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 Lets leave race out of this one folks.... meant to add.... Please don't pile on 49, he was at least respectful.
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 I'm not ignorant. And what you just wrote is complete bullsh**. This world is full of biracial people who "look white" and have to sit and listen to idiots say the n word right in front of them, completely oblivious to who they are talking to. People in my own family. Gay people have to hear pea brained comments about "faggots" and then decide whether to speak up, or just go on about their business. People who choose to use disparaging words to marginalize other people are ALL PRACTICING BIGOTRY. I am talking about YOU, and the other people who are choosing to use this language in order to categorize a person. I don't care if "slut" is nicer than the n word or not. I'm not talking about who on the receiving end of this kind of thing is hurt more or less. And of course, you aren't hurting the girl at all, either, because she is not reading this. I am talking about YOU people and where YOU are coming from, which is just the same creepy place as the Aryan brothers are. There happens to be another recent thread where the subject actually turned to racial wretchedness, and I got all fired up about that one, too. They are all bad words, but they arent the same...and plenty of women (hell im sure most of the women on this forum) have used the word slut or bitch before. But I wouldnt go as far to say most have used racial slurs in lashing out at someone. So in that regard I wont say someone who uses the word slut is the same as a person who uses racial slurs.
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 meant to add.... Please don't pile on 49, he was at least respectful. 49 is alright by me, because as far as I know he intends to live by the same standards he hold others to. And I'm still happy for you! 3
Bristolius Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Using the word slut is a way to make a person into a thing of low value. 2
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 And wow...people who say slut are the same as Aryan Brothers?....lmao Im done Smh
MrCastle Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 This thread has had some ups and downs. Right now we are in a down. 3
Ruby Slippers Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Says you. I think that derogatory terms that describe a person's race, sexuality, gender, etc. are all comparable. And people who use them (unless they are being playful) are bottom feeders. Slur = a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion b : a shaming or degrading effect : stain, stigma The "N" word and the "S" word are both slurs. And my point is that people who hurl slurs of any kind have a problem in the head.
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 My only problem is that I wish people would stop trying to compare someone elses plight to that of black people. People do that a lot. There was no need to bring up the N word and try and compare it to slut. They arent comparable...and anyone with an actual grasp of history will tell you that. (Its arrogant to do so and minimizes the experiences of those from my cultures past.) Like I said before, I cant believe the frequency at which people bring up black folks (or something regarding us) on this forum. 2
Author ThaWholigan Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 Indeed.... And to be honest, she might be (in her OWN words) a "bit of a slut" - but she's actually quite alright in person to be honest. The odd gangbang aside..... Don't get ideas, I'm not falling for her . I knew a girl before her who (also in her own words) was a bit of a slag, but she was actually safe. My friend, who was boning her, used to say "if she wasn't a slag, she'd be alright still".
Ruby Slippers Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 My only problem is that I wish people would stop trying to compare someone elses plight to that of black people. People do that a lot. There was no need to bring up the N word and try and compare it to slut. They arent comparable...and anyone with an actual grasp of history will tell you that. Like I said before, I cant believe the frequency at which people bring up black folks (or something regarding us) on this forum. It was certainly not my intention to offend anyone or make light of what anyone has been through, in this lifetime or historically. I apologize. 2
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 My only problem is that I wish people would stop trying to compare someone elses plight to that of black people. Nobody was comparing plights. We are comparing people who use slurs.
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Nobody was comparing plights. We are comparing people who use slurs. But use of words brings up the history of words. Words get their meanings from their history. In which case trying to compare use of the words, is akin to comparing the emotions invoked by each slur, thereby comparing history...follow? If we are comparing how bad it is to use certain words, then we have to look at why the words are bad dont we? If all bad words are the same, as you originally said, then next time a girl calls me a man-whore as sometimes my chick friends do, I will call her a cvnt and see how she reacts. But, according to most women I know, the C word is in a totally different class from slut, bitch, or skank. And men are generally taught that this word is the worst thing you can call a woman. Edited August 2, 2012 by kaylan 2
mesmerized Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 But use of words brings up the history of words. Words get their meanings from their history. In which case trying to compare use of the words, is akin to comparing the emotions invoked by each slur, thereby comparing history...follow? If we are comparing how bad it is to use certain words, then we have to look at why the words are bad dont we? If all bad words are the same, as you originally said, then next time a girl calls me a man-whore as sometimes my chick friends do, I will call her a cvnt and see how she reacts. Most men feel proud to be called a man whore! it's their ultimate dream. However it's always been used to degrade women for the same thing men want and do and think it's their exclusive RIGHT lol. I personally don't have a problem with someone using those words as long as they don't hold a double standard. If you hold the same standard for men and women then it's up to you. Most men don't.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Agreed. And I'd react the same way if this was a man in the same situation. I'd call him a slut too. Wholigan is the man in the situation. He isn't doing anything she isn't doing.
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Most men feel proud to be called a man whore! it's their ultimate dream. However it's always been used to degrade women for the same thing men want and do and think it's their exclusive RIGHT lol. I personally don't have a problem with someone using those words as long as they don't hold a double standard. If you hold the same standard for men and women then it's up to you. Most men don't. ^It depends. Ive had one of my chick buddies call me it in jest...and its all fun. But lets say a girl I was into actually cited that as reasoning for her being standoffish from me, then Id feel crappy. I acknowledge women will feel differently about the word then men will, but Im not gonna give a guy props for getting around and then deride a woman of the same thing. You should see me with some of my chick friends...depending on the situation I will give them props for getting some.Wholigan is the man in the situation. He isn't doing anything she isn't doing. Lol it is kinda skanky of OP. However, the reason Id view him and the girl differently in my mind is because hes a nooby whos finally enjoying his sexuality. On the other hand, this chick is someone who seems to be out on the prowl a lot like this...not to mention the awkward gang bang mention. So she has a history of sexually risky behavior it seems. I think a history of sexually risky behavior would garner anyone some raised eyebrows. Conversely, I had a good chick friend in college who was a virgin and lost her 'virginity' to a skanky frat boy. I gave her props for finally getting some...but never saw her as a slut. She wanted to finally see what it was all about, and she had always been a relationship type of girl. Plus she had always been in relationships with women, so she took the chance to be with that guy when she was single for once. Edited August 2, 2012 by kaylan
mesmerized Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 What's so wrong with gang bangs??? Wanting it is waaay more common than you think. This girl is just adventerous enough to go and get it. Good for her:laugh:
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Lol it is kinda skanky of OP. However, the reason Id view him and the girl differently in my mind is because hes a nooby whos finally enjoying his sexuality. Skanky? I don't think so. Human? Yes. I'm not saying I would be doing what Wholigan is. I just don't get how come Wholigan is being "high fived" as this girl is being put down left and right. This makes no sense. It's so "old boys club" too. It doesn't matter if she called herself a bit of a slut, it doesn't give other people to call her slut malciously or "cum bucket" (which is truly one of the worst words I've ever seen used to describe a woman.) On the other hand, this chick is someone who seems to be out on the prowl a lot like this...not to mention the awkward gang bang mention. So she has a history of sexually risky behavior it seems. I think a history of sexually risky behavior would garner anyone some raised eyebrows. I agree with you. I just see what calling her a slut does for anyone. You are allowed to be wary of her behavior and disagree with it without resorting to calling her sexually shaming names meant to humilate her. Whatever her choices are, i does not entitle one person here to call her a name. Whatever name she calls herself, it does not entitle one person here to follow suit. A thread that should be positive came down to show casing a very old double standard. Women that like sex are sluts and men that get sex are high fived. 4
aj22one Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Lol it is kinda skanky of OP. However, the reason Id view him and the girl differently in my mind is because hes a nooby whos finally enjoying his sexuality. On the other hand, this chick is someone who seems to be out on the prowl a lot like this...not to mention the awkward gang bang mention. So she has a history of sexually risky behavior it seems. I think a history of sexually risky behavior would garner anyone some raised eyebrows. Conversely, I had a good chick friend in college who was a virgin and lost her 'virginity' to a skanky frat boy. I gave her props for finally getting some...but never saw her as a slut. She wanted to finally see what it was all about, and she had always been a relationship type of girl. Plus she had always been in relationships with women, so she took the chance to be with that guy when she was single for once. Well put. Lots of people get squeamish about the "slut" word, but sometimes it can have a specific meaning in a specific circumstance. Not just a word for all women who aren't virgins. I don't see anything wrong with what 49322 said honestly, in fact I kinda get annoyed with the implication some posters have that all men are horndogs. Stereotypes suck, but don't throw stones if you live in a glass house haha. 1
Author ThaWholigan Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 What's so wrong with gang bangs??? Wanting it is waaay more common than you think. This girl is just adventerous enough to go and get it. Good for her:laugh: I've met so many girls who have done it. I know so much guys who have been part of it. My brother's been in a few. He nearly shat himself when it emerged that one of the girls "escaped", and he wasn't so sure she was there willingly after he heard that. Never did it again. He was lucky he only got his pole shined. He tried to get me to go to a few, I always said no . I digress, it's true, a lot of girls have done it, and quite a few like it. This girl is no different, I've met a few girls like her. She's not a bitch though - to be honest, the loose girls I know and have met have actually been some of the least bitchy girls I've known. 1
fortyninethousand322 Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Wholigan is the man in the situation. He isn't doing anything she isn't doing. A thread that should be positive came down to show casing a very old double standard. Women that like sex are sluts and men that get sex are high fived. First of all I never "high fived" anyone. I've had friends in the past who hooked up with some random girl. Whenever they tried to talk/brag about it I either told them straight up I didn't want to hear it or I tuned them out and acted annoyed. Secondly, I hold the OP to the same standard as the girl in this situation. The only difference of course (which I was referring to in the post of mine you quoted) is that she propositioned him. That to me, is questionable behavior, even it was done by the OP.
It's Just Me Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 However, the reason Id view him and the girl differently in my mind is because hes a nooby whos finally enjoying his sexuality. On the other hand, this chick is someone who seems to be out on the prowl a lot like this...not to mention the awkward gang bang mention. So she has a history of sexually risky behavior it seems. I think a history of sexually risky behavior would garner anyone some raised eyebrows. Conversely, I had a good chick friend in college who was a virgin and lost her 'virginity' to a skanky frat boy. I gave her props for finally getting some...but never saw her as a slut. She wanted to finally see what it was all about, and she had always been a relationship type of girl. Plus she had always been in relationships with women, so she took the chance to be with that guy when she was single for once. Either way, you're being judgmental, and so is everyone else who thinks the way you do (no offense). Sexuality is fluid. Who gives a crap what you or anyone thinks about Wholigan, the girl, or your good chick friend or the skanky frat boy? Let people be and do what they choose to do. Until there's a problem, it's all good. 3
kaylan Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Skanky? I don't think so. Human? Yes. I'm not saying I would be doing what Wholigan is. I just don't get how come Wholigan is being "high fived" as this girl is being put down left and right. This makes no sense. It's so "old boys club" too. I use skanky for risky sexual behavior. I did some skanky stuff in my past myself. Anyways I think the reason OP is being hi fived is because he doesnt have the history of risky sexual behavior and possible gang bangs she does. If the sexes were reversed Id feel the same. It doesn't matter if she called herself a bit of a slut, it doesn't give other people to call her slut malciously or "cum bucket" (which is truly one of the worst words I've ever seen used to describe a woman.) I wouldnt use cum bucket...thats a bit much. But Im sorry...she is an overly promiscuous and albeit easy gal. The kind of gal Id use for sex and not date. If you dont want me to use the S words, then Ill spell it out. And theres nothing wrong with enjoying sex....Im just saying it raises eyebrows when a girl meets guys online the night of the first message to try and have sex, and then later says something about possible gang bangs. I agree with you. I just see what calling her a slut does for anyone. You are allowed to be wary of her behavior and disagree with it without resorting to calling her sexually shaming names meant to humilate her. Whatever her choices are, i does not entitle one person here to call her a name. Whatever name she calls herself, it does not entitle one person here to follow suit. She humiliates herself by bringing up her sexual history with a guy she barely knows and that it ends up online. A thread that should be positive came down to show casing a very old double standard. Women that like sex are sluts and men that get sex are high fived.Um no...people who have a history of risky sexual behavior are seen as slutty. People without such history are not. Its not a man or woman thing for me and some others. Women here would think the same of a guy who did what this girl did. You think girls here would be speaking highly of a guy who messages women for sex, and then talks about possible threesomes and calls himself a whore? I guarantee women here would have called him the words slut or skank, and no one would bat an eye. All in all, I say let OP have his fun. Let him use the girl for what he wants, and she will do the same.
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