madjac74 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Women peak in their late teens and early to mid 20's when their young and beautiful men peak in their 30's when their mature and succesful Says who? The myth is that men peak sexually in their late teens-early 20's and women peak in their mid to late 30's. But there isn't any scientific proof of this. I'm far more horny at 38 than I was at 18 1
Revolver Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Says who? The myth is that men peak sexually in their late teens-early 20's and women peak in their mid to late 30's. But there isn't any scientific proof of this. I'm far more horny at 38 than I was at 18 Its not a myth because i don't mean sexually, I mean overall dating potential.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Women peak in their late teens and early to mid 20's when their young and beautiful men peak in their 30's when their mature and succesful I think this is something certain men like to believe that get caught up in their past dating failures when they were young and focusing on the really hot girls while ignoring the girls that probably would have gone for them. They like to think it's all doomsday Apocolypse for women now and Candyland Dreams for themselves. Now that they are 30, they think they are "mature" and "successful" but they are really just "average" and perhaps a 20 year old girl might be more blinded by the age and the apperance of stability by him having a regular job when the reality is, he's just an average 30 year old guy with an average job and average life. Give her another 10 years when she's 30 and he's 40 and she starts to see it for what it is. Then divorce hits. I don't personally believe anyone "peeks" because of a certain age. Life is a journey and not a downward one just because you hit a certain age. It's up to you to keep it up and keep exploring new sides of yourself and growing those sides. There are actually a lot of studies that show that people get happier the older they get because they become more at ease with who they are and feel more grateful for life in general and less petty about shallow desires that really don't hold much weight in the grand scheme of things. 2
Revolver Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I think this is something certain men like to believe that get caught up in their past dating failures when they were young and focusing on the really hot girls while ignoring the girls that probably would have gone for them. They like to think it's all doomsday Apocolypse for women now and Candyland Dreams for themselves. Now that they are 30, they think they are "mature" and "successful" but they are really just "average" and perhaps a 20 year old girl might be more blinded by the age and the apperance of stability by him having a regular job when the reality is, he's just an average 30 year old guy with an average job and average life. Give her another 10 years when she's 30 and he's 40 and she starts to see it for what it is. Then divorce hits. I don't personally believe anyone "peeks" because of a certain age. Life is a journey and not a downward one just because you hit a certain age. It's up to you to keep it up and keep exploring new sides of yourself and growing those sides. There are actually a lot of studies that show that people get happier the older they get because they become more at ease with who they are and feel more grateful for life in general and less petty about shallow desires that really don't hold much weight in the grand scheme of things. It's not what they "want to believe", it's the reality of the situation and society. Men are valued for their power and economic status, women are valued for their beauty and fertility. In a woman's 20's she's at her peak In both categories while a man in his 30's in starting his prime earning phase. No one is saying EVERY SINGLE 30 and up man is pulling hot women or that every single woman's dating life is finished at 30. A man would still have to have his s*** together and a woman can still be highly attractive after 30. 1
Disenchantedly Yours Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 It's not about what you believe. I know women like to tell themselves 40 is the new 30 and 55 is the new 20 but the bottom line is most men are incredibly visual and women start to decline physically at 20-22. Which isn't to say they look a worn leather jacket by 25 but skin problems and obesity aside a 30 year old woman won't look better than she did when she was 20. Actually it is about what I believe. Because what I believe will be dependent on how I live my life and the kind of people I choose to spend time with. Just as what you believe will be depedent on how you live your life and the kind of people you choose to spend your time with. I can live my life throwing in the towel of my sexuality and attractiveness because guys like you enjoy putting women down simply because they aren't 22 anymore, or I can teach myself the difference between guys like you and guys that clearly are able to relate to women and their sexuality as we all age. I know what most women are going to want in a man. I learned a bit ago to pay very close attention to the attitudes a man holds about women in general and what a man's attitude will bring to his relationship with me. It is not in any woman's, 18 or 40, best interest to be with men that view women as depreciating "assets" after the age of 22 (LOL at the 22 thing though). Even if this woman is 22, one day she won't be. And she will be left with a partner that doesn't have a very well balanced view of woman. These men simply aren't good investments. However, thankfully, there are men that don't have that throught process and have a more well rounded and mature way to view the opposites gender and themselves. Now I am not saying men aren't visual. I infact have no clue what men being visual has to do with it. Do you really think youth is only attractive in women? Do you really think women don't see the attractiveness of younger actors like Zac Effron? Do you really think women are blind to pot bellies, balding heads and wrinkles on men? No. This isn't a case of male needs for "visualness" being "stronger" and more "neccesary" to warrent the mentality that women begin to decline after 22 (again I have to "lol" at that). This is a case of certain subsection of men that have not let themselves evolve and grow within themselves or in regards to the relationship they have with women. I would say the same about a woman that only valued men, or saw men with lots of money as the only valuable type of man and saying all other men were "depreciated" for it. Do you know that I use to think David Duchvney was really attractive? I use to love X-Files, I thought he was a babe. But as he has gotten older, I just don't think he is all that attractive anymore. I am sorry, but youth is attractive in both men and women. But this does not justify people stewing in youth or using it as a means to talk about the "depreciating" value they believe the other gender to have. I am a much better partner now then when I was 20 anyway. And for men that are driven primarily just by the youth of their partners, will always prove to be poor bets for the fact that they have no clue how to relate to women without this buffer and excuse to objectify their own partners. I am looking for something much more then that. I don't let men like you decide how I live my life or where my worth is. If you forever live with the concept that a certain age group is the "best", you are going to spend a great deal of your life miserable. But if you want to live that way, I don't really care. I do not want to be a person that forever laminates over the ides of youth. I don't want to be with a man that forever laminates over his own lost youth or the youth of other women. Life is a journey about growth. We are not meant to be forever 22 mentally, emotionally, sexually or physically. And to me, it's a huge red flag when people defend their beliefs and attitudes on the back of believing a certain young age is the best of what life has to offer them. I am so glad that 22 wasn't the best life had to offer me. I think everyone has a base understanding that as you get older, you age. But I think a lot of women work on redefining what life means to them as they age. They don't let your bullcrap projections of youth hold them down and tell them they aren't allowed to be a sexual human being anymore. Not one person here hits a certain age and says, "Okay well that's it for me. Time to get off the bus. I might live 50+ more years but I can do it completely asexually because hey, I'm not 22 anymore." How lame. So spare me your thinly concealed dislike for women unless they aren't wrapped up in the social propaganda you let yourself buy into Greg. Men that can only like and enjoy women when they are a certain age don't really like and enjoy any woman of any age. Not even that young 22 year old. 1
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Which isn't to say they look a worn leather jacket by 25 but skin problems and obesity aside a 30 year old woman won't look better than she did when she was 20. Not really true. Most Hollywood celebs look better a 28-30 than they did at 20 Hell, a lot of pornstars look their best at 28-30 compared to 20-21. If you take care of yourself and work out all the time, you should look your best at that age regardless of male or female 1
Disenchantedly Yours Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 It's not what they "want to believe", it's the reality of the situation and society. Men are valued for their power and economic status, women are valued for their beauty and fertility. In a woman's 20's she's at her peak In both categories while a man in his 30's in starting his prime earning phase. No one is saying EVERY SINGLE 30 and up man is pulling hot women or that every single woman's dating life is finished at 30. A man would still have to have his s*** together and a woman can still be highly attractive after 30. You live what you want to believe Revolver. If you want to live in a world where your worth is in your wallet and a woman is how close she was from having tea-parties and playing dress up, you are free to do so. But just because society tells you that's your worth, doesn't mean you have to live it that way. I don't think men want to be wanted for their money anymore then women want to be wnated for their age or beauty. In today's society, women have so much more economic freedom that they no longer are exactly looking for men to support them with economic status. Men today don't even seem to want the responsbility of supporting a woman. Women today have so much more freedom to choose partners based on factors beyond just what man can provide the most money to her. And we actually see that reflected in the increasingly pressure filled media that is placing alot of importance on hot young guys that use to be just reserved for women. Most average guys are average guys. I don't see huge examples of guys hitting 30 and all the sudden getting it on all over the place. I live in a world where I see both men and women struggling and dating is hard no matter your age. I live in a world where 30 year old men still struggle with relating to women and vice versa. Now if you want to talk about extremes like CEOs and Models, we can. But very few of us are CEOs and Models. By the way, men's sperm begins it's decline at age 30. What do you think will happen as women keep climbing the corporate latter and progressing toward more independent futures, as it's going now, and the qualities they will use to pick mates? They will begin to pick mates based on their own physical peek. And if you are going to lay claim that women are past their prime after 25 then we got to be fair and balanced and lay that claim down for men too. We don't live in the 1950s anymore where a man being the primary bread winner was what drove a woman to make a choice about her future. We live in a world wher most likely, both people will have to work. Do you really think women are going to still pick the same kind of men now as they did back then seeing how much financial responsbility as been shifted on women now-a-days? Men's economic freedom from women has given women more agency to pick me on other qualities where as women were once forced to pick me on the the stability of providing. Oh and believe me, I get it. I get how much certain men want to live in a world where the believe their worth keeps going up and women's goes down. I can see how this would make certain men with certain attitudes about women very happy. But I don't live in that world. And I don't invite men that live in that world into my life. 2
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You live what you want to believe Revolver. If you want to live in a world where your worth is in your wallet and a woman is how close she was from having tea-parties and playing dress up, you are free to do so. But just because society tells you that's your worth, doesn't mean you have to live it that way. I don't think men want to be wanted for their money anymore then women want to be wnated for their age or beauty. In today's society, women have so much more economic freedom that they no longer are exactly looking for men to support them with economic status. Men today don't even seem to want the responsbility of supporting a woman. Women today have so much more freedom to choose partners based on factors beyond just what man can provide the most money to her. And we actually see that reflected in the increasingly pressure filled media that is placing alot of importance on hot young guys that use to be just reserved for women. Most average guys are average guys. I don't see huge examples of guys hitting 30 and all the sudden getting it on all over the place. I live in a world where I see both men and women struggling and dating is hard no matter your age. I live in a world where 30 year old men still struggle with relating to women and vice versa. Now if you want to talk about extremes like CEOs and Models, we can. But very few of us are CEOs and Models. By the way, men's sperm begins it's decline at age 30. What do you think will happen as women keep climbing the corporate latter and progressing toward more independent futures, as it's going now, and the qualities they will use to pick mates? They will begin to pick mates based on their own physical peek. And if you are going to lay claim that women are past their prime after 25 then we got to be fair and balanced and lay that claim down for men too. We don't live in the 1950s anymore where a man being the primary bread winner was what drove a woman to make a choice about her future. We live in a world wher most likely, both people will have to work. Do you really think women are going to still pick the same kind of men now as they did back then seeing how much financial responsbility as been shifted on women now-a-days? Men's economic freedom from women has given women more agency to pick me on other qualities where as women were once forced to pick me on the the stability of providing. Oh and believe me, I get it. I get how much certain men want to live in a world where the believe their worth keeps going up and women's goes down. I can see how this would make certain men with certain attitudes about women very happy. But I don't live in that world. And I don't invite men that live in that world into my life. Good post. I think you can look good at as a man or a woman into your 30s and 40s if you stay dedicated enough to your physical well being The reason the average man and woman looks much better at 21 than 35 is because most people do a horrible job of taking care of themselves and it's much easier to get away with that at the age of 21 than it is at 35. 10-15 years of partying, drinking, smoking, tanning excessively and not working out will take a toll on you. Look at Dwayne the Rock Johnson, dude looks better at 40 than 25. Look at Monica Belluci, she looked fantastic at 40. I also agree with your point about money and income being massively overrated. Nowadays, with women earning their own money, that's merely a prerequisite in many cases and doesn't guarantee you anything. Look at all the single women on this forum turning down well off men because they don't find them attractive or excited It's not 1950 anymore, money by itself really means nothing and it certainly won't guarantee you a good or even attractive woman 2
mesmerized Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I'm sorry but only on internet men only find teenagers attractive. Any woman who wants to base her life based on loveShack losers opinion should probably kill herself at 22, at most 25. In real life I really don't know ANY guy who wants to do anything of serious quality with a teenager. I even don't know anyone (men in their twenties and thirties) who has a girlfriend younger than 22...This bizarre/pervert obsession belongs to men who can't get any girl thus have to whack to barely legal porn all day in their basements. 3
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I'm sorry but only on internet men only find teenagers attractive. Any woman who wants to base her life based on loveShack losers opinion should probably kill herself at 22, at most 25. In real life I really don't know ANY guy who wants to do anything of serious quality with a teenager. I even don't know anyone (men in their twenties and thirties) who has a girlfriend younger than 22...This bizarre/pervert obsession belongs to men who can't get any girl thus have to whack to barely legal porn all day in their basements. yea it's a little bizarre. 18 and 19 year olds can be okay sometimes if they're really mature but most of them are very very annoying and i'm only 23 myself I can't imagine how a 28 year old would want to deal with an 18 year old 1
Revolver Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Again thats not what I "want to believe", that's the reality of the situation. And the world we live in. Men are told from early on(from music,tv, movies)that if you dont have a certain type of car, not in a certain tax bracket, Or dont have a certain job thay you mean nothing and have no power. Its harsh, but we use that as motivation to be successful and accomplish great Things. Life's tough, but what I realize though is men are quicker to accept this reality then women. And I never said a man doesn't decline physically, I personally believe men aging better is a myth. Men just aren't judged for their looks Like or as much as women are. Btw women still "marry up" What women really want: to marry a rich man - Telegraph Even with the Economic freedom and opportunity then their female peers of decades before
Shaun-Dro Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I'm tired of this "better with age" hogwash that's so popular on forums and in the media. The truth is beauty is the only thing worth having, and youth is beauty. On paper, I appear to have a really good life right now. I'm self-sufficient, make great money compared to my peers, and am getting laid more than ever (escorts). But I'd give all that up to not have 18 year old girls immediately dismiss me as a potential romantic prospect based on my age. Oh, so you too have been tearing up the teen girls, huh? well what can I say? Had fun, didn't you? Naughty boy.
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Again thats not what I "want to believe", that's the reality of the situation. And the world we live in. Men are told from early on(from music,tv, movies)that if you dont have a certain type of car, not in a certain tax bracket, Or dont have a certain job thay you mean nothing and have no power. Its harsh, but we use that as motivation to be successful and accomplish great Things. Life's tough, but what I realize though is men are quicker to accept this reality then women. And I never said a man doesn't decline physically, I personally believe men aging better is a myth. Men just aren't judged for their looks Like or as much as women are. Btw women still "marry up" What women really want: to marry a rich man - Telegraph Even with the Economic freedom and opportunity then their female peers of decades before Money is nothing more than a prerequisite nowadays for dating a certain percentage of women who are either gold diggers or very well off themselves. Even when it comes to those women who are well off by themselves, your money guarantees you nothing. It's just a trait to qualify yourself and you still need to "bring it" in looks and personality I know a ton of women and even beautiful women dating or even married to guys who are very average in income. Most women date guys about as well off as they are. All this talk on LS about how all women want a guy who is way out of their league is complete nonsense. Go observe a 100 couples the next time you're out or even talk to a 100 couples. They'll all be shockingly close in all areas - whether it's looks, income, personality, etc.... Most people (regardless of gender) want somebody who is about their league across the board 2
Shaun-Dro Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I don't understand why you think that girls in college now should be rewarding you because you were studious when you were in school. I also don't understand why 18 year old girls shouldn't be banging hot young 18 year old male football players. I don't think most 18 year old girls are looking to settle down, get married or bang much older guys. All in all, your thoughts appear to require some help per a professional. And not a professional escort. Being a 25 year old guy, you are doing yourself no favors by paying for sex instead of learning to relate to women around your own age. The older you get, the harder it will be for you to relate to women if you don't go through those struggles now. I actually think it's important for both young women and men to learn about how to relate to the other sex, even in all it's ups and downs and learn how to be more giving toward another human being and learning of what you need as well. While not all the relationships I had where ultimately right for me, I certainly learned important things from them. Both about what I needed and it taught me how to relate to men better and be less selfish. If all you do is pay women to sleep with you and jerk off to porn, or laminate over teenage girls you are never going to learn those things. Let the OP do what pleases him. If he doesn't have any inclination in going through headache times in trying to date women, I don't blame him.
mesmerized Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Money is nothing more than a prerequisite nowadays for dating a certain percentage of women who are either gold diggers or very well off themselves. Even when it comes to those women who are well off by themselves, your money guarantees you nothing. It's just a trait to qualify yourself and you still need to "bring it" in looks and personality I know a ton of women and even beautiful women dating or even married to guys who are very average in income. Most women date guys about as well off as they are. All this talk on LS about how all women want a guy who is way out of their league is complete nonsense. Go observe a 100 couples the next time you're out or even talk to a 100 couples. They'll all be shockingly close in all areas - whether it's looks, income, personality, etc.... Most people (regardless of gender) want somebody who is about their league across the board My friend now has no money, no job, average height and looks but a gorgeous girl friend who pursued him. His personality is great though.
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 My friend now has no money, no job, average height and looks but a gorgeous girl friend who pursued him. His personality is great though. I know a guy like that too although he's definitely handsome in the face Hell that guy has been with a 100+ women and he's super broke. I sometimes wonder what universe these LS men live in
ThaWholigan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 My friend now has no money, no job, average height and looks but a gorgeous girl friend who pursued him. His personality is great though. Seen it plenty of times too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to add that I'm a little disturbed by the obsession with 18 year old girls. Sure, their legal, but not by much (actually, in England the legal AOC is 16). But in a lot of ways they are still like little girls. When I have been to rock shows, I have met quite a few 18 year olds and there isn't much difference between them and their 16 year old counterparts. Hence, they don't really captivate me - they can be physically very attractive sometimes, that's undeniable but there age shows often. I like girls who are my age, I find it easier to relate to them and I find girls who are in their 20s and up more attractive in general, even physically. Therefore I will never understand the obsession with 18 year olds, because more often than not, they are kinda like kids still. It's a bit predatory to me, as bad as the 30 year old guys over here who sleep with 16 year olds just because it's legal (it happens).
brahmabull117 Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Seen it plenty of times too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to add that I'm a little disturbed by the obsession with 18 year old girls. Sure, their legal, but not by much (actually, in England the legal AOC is 16). But in a lot of ways they are still like little girls. When I have been to rock shows, I have met quite a few 18 year olds and there isn't much difference between them and their 16 year old counterparts. Hence, they don't really captivate me - they can be physically very attractive sometimes, that's undeniable but there age shows often. I like girls who are my age, I find it easier to relate to them and I find girls who are in their 20s and up more attractive in general, even physically. Therefore I will never understand the obsession with 18 year olds, because more often than not, they are kinda like kids still. It's a bit predatory to me, as bad as the 30 year old guys over here who sleep with 16 year olds just because it's legal (it happens). yea it's really really creepy
Shaun-Dro Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Seen it plenty of times too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to add that I'm a little disturbed by the obsession with 18 year old girls. Sure, their legal, but not by much (actually, in England the legal AOC is 16). But in a lot of ways they are still like little girls. When I have been to rock shows, I have met quite a few 18 year olds and there isn't much difference between them and their 16 year old counterparts. Hence, they don't really captivate me - they can be physically very attractive sometimes, that's undeniable You just said it right there. It's all about the physical beauty that makes these young girls desirible. I'm guilty of this myself but I'm smart enough to know that there isn't going to be anything beyond just having a really good time with them. My uncle just called me the other day and said he was considering calling up an escort service that specializes in teen girls. I asked him why since he's in his 40s and I didn't think he'd be interested in them, and he simply answered that he hasn't had a young girl since he was 19 and was hungry to try them again. I just laughed and told him to be sure they're legal.
ThaWholigan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You just said it right there. It's all about the physical beauty that makes these young girls desirible. I'm guilty of this myself but I'm smart enough to know that there isn't going to be anything beyond just having a really good time with them. My uncle just called me the other day and said he was considering calling up an escort service that specializes in teen girls. I asked him why since he's in his 40s and I didn't think he'd be interested in them, and he simply answered that he hasn't had a young girl since he was 19 and was hungry to try them again. I just laughed and told him to be sure they're legal. I said sometimes. Sometimes 18 year old girls really look like teenagers - I grew out of finding teenagers attractive when I hit 21. I find them more attractive if they look like they are in their 20s - a couple of times I have been fooled by a few 19 year olds. The last girl I had any kind of intimate dealings with had only just turned 20. But basically, I find women much more attractive in their 20s, than when they are 18-19, likely because of the age I am at, and because I have always found women in their 20s attractive.
mesmerized Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 You just said it right there. It's all about the physical beauty that makes these young girls desirible. I'm guilty of this myself but I'm smart enough to know that there isn't going to be anything beyond just having a really good time with them. My uncle just called me the other day and said he was considering calling up an escort service that specializes in teen girls. I asked him why since he's in his 40s and I didn't think he'd be interested in them, and he simply answered that he hasn't had a young girl since he was 19 and was hungry to try them again. I just laughed and told him to be sure they're legal. Being creepy in your family is normal I see. Do you have a sister by any chance? 8
Shaun-Dro Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I said sometimes. Sometimes 18 year old girls really look like teenagers - I grew out of finding teenagers attractive when I hit 21. I find them more attractive if they look like they are in their 20s - a couple of times I have been fooled by a few 19 year olds. The last girl I had any kind of intimate dealings with had only just turned 20. But basically, I find women much more attractive in their 20s, than when they are 18-19, likely because of the age I am at, and because I have always found women in their 20s attractive. I agree with you. I find women in their 20s the hottest too. I've messed mostly with broads in their 20s anyway, with an occassional 18-19 year old thrown in, but not often. Mesmerized: you're really funny. What my uncle wants to do may be just talk. I'm not taking him very seriously since we did share a laugh over it. The same as I don't take you seriously either.
ThaWholigan Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 I agree with you. I find women in their 20s the hottest too. I've messed mostly with broads in their 20s anyway, with an occassional 18-19 year old thrown in, but not often. Mesmerized: you're really funny. What my uncle wants to do may be just talk. I'm not taking him very seriously since we did share a laugh over it. The same as I don't take you seriously either. What about women your age? As I have gotten older, I have consistently found women my own age the hottest, and sometimes older (late 20s women ).
Negative Nancy Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 My uncle just called me the other day and said he was considering calling up an escort service that specializes in teen girls. I asked him why since he's in his 40s and I didn't think he'd be interested in them, and he simply answered that he hasn't had a young girl since he was 19 and was hungry to try them again. I just laughed and told him to be sure they're legal. That's fu.cking sick and creepy.
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