Leopard Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 ^ hehehehehhehe Ever wonder why men felt the need to oppress women so much? Didn't know we were such a threat
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 ^ hehehehehhehe Ever wonder why men felt the need to oppress women so much? Didn't know we were such a threat Yeah, because men shame women for using prostitutes, escorts, and internet pron. Men want to feel the validation and self-esteem boost that comes with someone trying to woo us and make feel more important to the world outside of sex object. This is why we shame women for running to the competition - they essentially make us feel obsolete.
Leopard Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 ^ Queen Elizabeth, Queen Caterina, Cleoptra.... I can throw names at you too. Doesn't prove anything Algermas. FredRobbins, i'm not going to start a gender wars with you. If you think men own the world, i'll let you continue thinking that. I have better things to do with my time that read your posts about how men are so easily seduced by a woman's sexuality which is why men chose to oppress women. Ta ta
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 I would actually like a traditional set up when I get married, assuming I can make enough money (for me enough money is a salary of around 130,000 to 170,000+ dollars a year) I love the idea of earning all the money and having a woman take care of all the housework so I don't have to. I'd much rather be spending that time earning more money
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 ^ Queen Elizabeth, Queen Caterina, Cleoptra.... I can throw names at you too. Doesn't prove anything Algermas. FredRobbins, i'm not going to start a gender wars with you. If you think men own the world, i'll let you continue thinking that. I have better things to do with my time that read your posts about how men are so easily seduced by a woman's sexuality which is why men chose to oppress women. Ta ta You already did, subtly. Yeah, because men shame women for using prostitutes, escorts, and internet pron. Men want to feel the validation and self-esteem boost that comes with someone trying to woo us and make feel more important to the world outside of sex object. This is why we shame women for running to the competition - they essentially make us feel obsolete. ^^^^ that was the post that made you bow out, :laugh:
mortensorchid Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 For most people there is a melding of the two, no matter what others say. My mom is a very old fashioned type of woman, I think she is depressed that she does not have that same relationship with me and/or my sister because we've been exposed to far too much than her reach. But it would be hard to be an old fashioned person in the world today.
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 OP when it comes to marriage/kids, you're a fool if you think traditional women have it easy or don't do much. My sister is a traditional girl and her kids/house is like a 100 hours a week job (she's got 3 little girls). My best friend's older brother is exactly the same way. These ladies work their asses off It's actually a pretty good deal for us guys if you can earn enough money to support the household by yourself. I would rather be working and making money than doing laundry any day of the week 1
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 One viewpoint You really google imaged a grown man in underwear... I didn't know you went that way.
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 OP when it comes to marriage/kids, you're a fool if you think traditional women have it easy or don't do much. My sister is a traditional girl and her kids/house is like a 100 hours a week job (she's got 3 little girls). My best friend's older brother is exactly the same way. These ladies work their asses off It's actually a pretty good deal for us guys if you can earn enough money to support the household by yourself. I would rather be working and making money than doing laundry any day of the week Somehow, I'm sure throwing clothes in a machine and pressing "start" is easier than being an engineer or the many jobs that men die on - lowering the our average lifespan. And what's with this idea that most men just go to work and have nothing to do with the family when they come home? It seems like people from single parent homes are the main ones pushing this idea mainstream - that men just go to work and completely neglect his family.
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 Somehow, I'm sure throwing clothes in a machine and pressing "start" is easier than being an engineer or the many jobs that men die on - lowering the our average lifespan. The women I know who are traditional do 90% of the housework (cooking, cleaning, laundry, shopping for food, buying clothes and everything) and raising the kids (changing diapers, feeding them, etc...). It's a double full time job when you have very young ones That's perfect for me. I would love to come home and just relax and play with my kids and watch TV and not have to worry about the house looking perfect The question mark here is whether or not I can make enough money to make this happen but the idea sounds great to me. Truth be told, I'm fine with the 50/50 arrangement as well (especially if my wife can make at least 50-60 grand herself) but I would like her to stay home at least for 3-4 years when she has kids
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 The women I know who are traditional do 90% of the housework (cooking, cleaning, laundry, shopping for food, buying clothes and everything) and raising the kids (changing diapers, feeding them, etc...). It's a double full time job when you have very young ones That's perfect for me. I would love to come home and just relax and play with my kids and watch TV and not have to worry about the house looking perfect The question mark here is whether or not I can make enough money to make this happen but the idea sounds great to me. Truth be told, I'm fine with the 50/50 arrangement as well (especially if my wife can make at least 50-60 grand herself) but I would like her to stay home at least for 3-4 years when she has kids I don't know how old you are, but females in the college age bracket do not know how to cook and their rooms/dorms are messy. And I've been to two different colleges in two different states (north and south). And, no offense, but 90% is completely ridiculous. I can't even find guys who only want to play a 10% role in their child's life. This type of stuff only happens, when the parents separate. In that case, the guy has no choice, because the mother and courts essentially removed the father from his kid's life.
StrangeBehaviors Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 I prefer old fashioned. Your career, education, etc. don't interest me much. From the guys I know that I've asked in a varied demographic, they don't either. They do tell me they "act" interested to see where things will go. Just being honest.
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 I don't know how old you are, but females in the college age bracket do not know how to cook and their rooms/dorms are messy. And I've been to two different colleges in two different states (north and south). And, no offense, but 90% is completely ridiculous. I can't even find guys who only want to play a 10% role in their child's life. This type of stuff only happens, when the parents separate. In that case, the guy has no choice, because the mother and courts essentially removed the father from his kid's life. You're not quite understanding what I'm telling you I wouldn't do a traditional arrangement if my wife was a bad housemaker. The assumption here is that she would be great as a housemaker and I would be great at making money. If she's not good at that, then obviously I would want her to make money herself In terms of my role with the kids. I love little kids to death and I would play with my kids all the time and help raise them, I would just have my wife do majority of the hard work (you know sending them off to school, feeding them, changing diapers, etc...).
todreaminblue Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 I can't stand old fashioned girls. It's like babysittting an adult child. I like feminists - the real ones, not the man-hating ones that only want to be equal when it benefits them. dont date old fasioned girls try old fashioned women and you wont have to babysit or stick to modern women.....be with who and what makes you happy and dont concern yourself with women you cant stand.....you will have a more fulfilling life if you concentrate on things that make you happy and that includes women who make you happy.....good luck.....deb 1
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 You're not quite understanding what I'm telling you I wouldn't do a traditional arrangement if my wife was a bad housemaker. The assumption here is that she would be great as a housemaker and I would be great at making money. If she's not good at that, then obviously I would want her to make money herself In terms of my role with the kids. I love little kids to death and I would play with my kids all the time and help raise them, I would just have my wife do majority of the hard work (you know sending them off to school, feeding them, changing diapers, etc...). You're making it seem like, generally, women work and come home and do all of the work there, too. When, in reality, that type of stuff is long gone. They've pretty much abandoned their gender roles outside of dating. I literally know no women that work and do the all of the housework, or even the majority. The only time I see that is single mothers who removed the fathers from picture.
carhill Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 You really google imaged a grown man in underwear... I didn't know you went that way. I was visualizing Leopard's post and the image came to mind when remembering an old CSI Vegas episode where men had this fetish about diapering and being mommied
Author FredRobbins Posted July 15, 2012 Author Posted July 15, 2012 dont date old fasioned girls try old fashioned women and you wont have to babysit or stick to modern women.....be with who and what makes you happy and dont concern yourself with women you cant stand.....you will have a more fulfilling life if you concentrate on things that make you happy and that includes women who make you happy.....good luck.....deb Pretty sure I implied that in the OP. I already know I like the modern ones - the real feminists. I was just wondering what the others prefer.
carhill Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 Since no one addressed my scenario, it described my mother at the point she met my father in 1951. She would go on to become what people today describe as an 'old fashioned' SAHM who devoted her life to her husband and child. Life is a mixed bag and it's really tough to pigeon-hole people. Myself, I prefer a woman who has the same role flexibility as I do; that synergy I find positive and compatible.
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) You're making it seem like, generally, women work and come home and do all of the work there, too. No I don't. The ones who do all the work are traditional housewifes who don't work at all and do almost everything in the house I'm fine with that arrangement and I'm fine with 50-50 thing where both parties work and split all the housework, but I would prefer my wife to stay at home when she has kids at least for 4-5 years I would prefer the traditional set up in a perfect world if I can make six figures myself but we'll see how feasible that is Edited July 15, 2012 by brahmabull117
LoveEachOther Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 No I don't. The ones who do all the work are traditional housewifes who don't work at all and do almost everything in the house I'm fine with that arrangement and I'm fine with 50-50 thing where both parties work and split all the housework, but I would prefer my wife to stay at home when she has kids at least for 4-5 years I would prefer the traditional set up in a perfect world if I can make six figures myself but we'll see how feasible that is Then, what's the point. They have to do something. And it kind of did come off like that. I think you even went on about women having double jobs. And are they single, by the way?
todreaminblue Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty sure I implied that in the OP. I already know I like the modern ones - the real feminists. I was just wondering what the others prefer. Do you know it just hit me then that op stands for opening post and not opening person......so thanks for replying to clarify your post or i may never have gotten that bolt from the blue and still be writing can the op please clarify their thread.....as a woman i try really hard not to put people in boxes and try to understand why they believe in what they believe and accept differences as best i can ...can you clarify what you consider to be old fashioned behaviour from a woman and real feminism that si different from hard core?....thanks....deb
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 Then, what's the point. They have to do something. And it kind of did come off like that. I think you even went on about women having double jobs. And are they single, by the way? Being a house wife and having 2 or 3 little kids is like a 100 hours a week job brah. I've spent time with my sister in NY and she has to work her ass off to be a housemaker and raise her kids (which she loves of course) I'll never disrespect "traditional" housewives after seeing how hard my sister works 1
LoveEachOther Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 Being a house wife and having 2 or 3 little kids is like a 100 hours a week job brah. I've spent time with my sister in NY and she has to work her ass off to be a housemaker and raise her kids (which she loves of course) I'll never disrespect "traditional" housewives after seeing how hard my sister works But are they single? You kinda ignored that. The only time I see/hear/read of women doing "90% housework and [real] work", as you put, is in single parent homes. In which case, they brought that on themselves by removing the father from his kid, so there's no point in them complaining or you defending them. And I've noticed that many of your examples revolve around your sisters/mother as opposed to the general population. They must be the reason you're usually so quick to rush to the defense of women and or "white knight".
brahmabull117 Posted July 15, 2012 Posted July 15, 2012 But are they single? You kinda ignored that. The only time I see/hear/read of women doing "90% housework and [real] work", as you put, is in single parent homes. In which case, they brought that on themselves by removing the father from his kid, so there's no point in them complaining or you defending them. And I've noticed that many of your examples revolve around your sisters/mother as opposed to the general population. They must be the reason you're usually so quick to rush to the defense of women and or "white knight". No my sister lives with her husband, but he works a lot They had to hire a nanny because it was just too much work for my sis having 3 tiny ones in the house. That's why I won't disrespect traditional housewives anymore because I've seen first hand how much work it is
RedRobin Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 The women I know who are traditional do 90% of the housework (cooking, cleaning, laundry, shopping for food, buying clothes and everything) and raising the kids (changing diapers, feeding them, etc...). It's a double full time job when you have very young ones That's perfect for me. I would love to come home and just relax and play with my kids and watch TV and not have to worry about the house looking perfect The question mark here is whether or not I can make enough money to make this happen but the idea sounds great to me. Truth be told, I'm fine with the 50/50 arrangement as well (especially if my wife can make at least 50-60 grand herself) but I would like her to stay home at least for 3-4 years when she has kids All the men I know who acted like that ended up divorced after the kids started school. Because if she has to do all the housework and childcare, she can still get a good portion of your paycheck, the liberty to screw as many other men as she likes... and she doesn't have to take care of one more kid (you). Even better... she probably gets every other weekend to herself and an occasional break from the kids if she divorces you. Something to think about... If you are a responsible father and husband, you will not be coming home and kicking up your feet in the lazy boy. None of the husbands I know who are long-time married do. They share the load... and wives do too. It's not all one way... not with childcare or financially. 3
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