runner Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 the women i go for do not. and they also tend to remain gorgeous without the make-up. 1
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 It's pretty simple, based on a lifetime of experiences with female friends.....when men are regularly and consistently approaching and making complimentary statements, even the most 'average' of women will take their own self-assessment and inflate it with the validation received.. I know this is true … but there are also a HUGE number of women who are attractive and who feel like garbage because they are not "perfect." Some of them post here a lot. Many of them get eating disorders and obsessive about their looks. They might even cross over with the population of women that you describe. 2
USMCHokie Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 It's pretty simple, based on a lifetime of experiences with female friends.....when men are regularly and consistently approaching and making complimentary statements, even the most 'average' of women will take their own self-assessment and inflate it with the validation received. It's natural. And I'd like to add that this assessment based on external validation tends to create an entitlement complex, where the individual feels entitled to continue receiving the same attention as they always have. As they age and physical attributes erode, they expect the same attention...this is where you often get the self "overrating" of looks... So you get something like this: "10 years ago, I had the hottest guys going after me, so I must be hot too! And of course I'm still thehottest thing around, but why won't the hot guys talk to me...?! It must be their fault." 1
DjinnAgain Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Oh yes, I see the light now. I'm actually an ogre. Oh well, at least I don't wear makeup, so I don't have to worry about a fraud lawsuit. Most the women I know seem to think they are less attractive than they are... Men seem to be more likely to oversell themselves (and wonder why these women who really aren't that attractive, hmph, aren't dating them) -- though that does not of course go for all men. My boyfriend now seems to have no idea he's 10x hotter than I am, so, shh nobody tell him. (PS, if you are that attractive you can date attractive people.)
phineas Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 And I'd like to add that this assessment based on external validation tends to create an entitlement complex, where the individual feels entitled to continue receiving the same attention as they always have. As they age and physical attributes erode, they expect the same attention...this is where you often get the self "overrating" of looks... So you get something like this: "10 years ago, I had the hottest guys going after me, so I must be hot too! And of course I'm still thehottest thing around, but why won't the hot guys talk to me...?! It must be their fault." Too much real life. I meet so many pushing 40 types that had men standing up and saluting when they walked by, who while still attractive have not yet figured out that men our age no longer put up with poor behavior & no longer chase. Then they rage at me when I ignore them after the 2nd flake or when they take 5 days to "check their schedule" & then text me the night I originally asked them out to tell me their free. 1
utterer of lies Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Do women vastly overrate their physical attractivness? I don't think so. Deep down, almost all of them are very insecure about their looks. They might pretend to know they are pretty, but they don't really believe it themselves.
Emilia Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I think men vastly overrate some women's physical attractiveness. How Tulisa got voted sexiest woman alive I'll never know. Even Rita Ora is better looking. . Did you watch the bj footage? That's the reason she got voted in, got her name in the papers more. Only to get dumped by her boyfriend as soon as it didn't make him look bad. I think women often underrate their attractiveness because women are socialised not to be boastful or cocky. We are taught to parade our exterior and to base our values on external validation.
LexiB Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 We're not. Men are far more aesthetically pleasing than women. Have you ever seen a man 5 seconds after he woke up? How different did he look compared to his "ready for work" self? Compare this with a woman. Decent point but your conclusion is flawed. The fact that men largely don't wear makeup doesnt mean they couldn't benefit from makeup (and as you insist are just naturally better looking than women). It means, that society has come to expect men to not wear makeup and leave the house roughly "as is" (how would you react if your buddy asked you which shade of foundation looked best on his skin?) Compare this with a woman.
waiting4u Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I don't think so. Deep down, almost all of them are very insecure about their looks. They might pretend to know they are pretty, but they don't really believe it themselves. There's a lot of truth to this. There's always someone better-looking or more socially adept than you are. I've always rated my attractiveness according to compliments from others, which may not be the best way, as men probably compliment you like crazy when they are trying to pick you up. As far as makeup goes - I'm a pale-skinned redhead, so I've never been able to wear much without looking silly. When I was younger I wore it so I would look older, now that I'm older I realize it does make me look older so I don't wear as much. Generally I think with a lot of makeup women look like they are "trying too hard" and it looks cheap. The Jedi- mind trick is to look like you aren't wearing any I guess. And take good care of your skin. This thread as a whole strikes me as odd though and a little messed up - how can you make generalizations like "do women do this" or "do men act like this" - there's too much difference out there. And beauty is so subjective. Furthermore, it seems kind of bitter to say "all women think they are better looking than we are, the beyotches, how dare they!" lol Edited July 11, 2012 by waiting4u
Eternal Sunshine Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I think I am a stunning bombshell and better looking than a supermodel and will remain this hot until I am 70. I am also so confident in this statement that nothing you tell me will change it 2
manup Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 No, women do, but it's mainly caused by men sticking their dick in just about anything.
AD1980 Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I dont know women are pretty harsh on themselves i do think a lot of women may overrate the caliber of man they can get into a relationship My good looking friend uses a lot of average or ok looking women for sex and they fall in love thinking theyre really with him when theyre just beign used when a average guy like me would be perfectly content with these women But instead they chase the hot guys who will bang them but not commit 1
Feelsgoodman Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Decent point but your conclusion is flawed. The fact that men largely don't wear makeup doesnt mean they couldn't benefit from makeup (and as you insist are just naturally better looking than women). It means, that society has come to expect men to not wear makeup and leave the house roughly "as is" (how would you react if your buddy asked you which shade of foundation looked best on his skin?) Compare this with a woman. That's because men have natural aesthetic beauty that does not need to be brought out with makeup. Women, on the other hand, are pretty bland looking "as is", so they need all sorts of merchandise to make themselves look presentable.
ThaWholigan Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 That's because men have natural aesthetic beauty that does not need to be brought out with makeup. Women, on the other hand, are pretty bland looking "as is", so they need all sorts of merchandise to make themselves look presentable. What am I reading? I think there is nothing wrong with acknowledging when a man is attractive or good looking, but all this talk about men being more "aesthetically beautiful than women" is hilarious (and kinda Sherlock Homo...). I've always liked women "as is".....never perceived men to be more aesthetically beautiful than women, even objectively speaking. There is a natural beauty to humanity in general, to ostracize a woman's beauty just to prove a point here is a bit of an overreach. 2
Ninjainpajamas Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I've noticed the opposite as an average... - Women who are constantly told they are attractive/stunning by men/women and pursued by a variety of men (very good-looking, average) who actually are very attractive tend to have more insecurity about their looks and disbelief with their actual beauty It's common for a more attractive woman to actually be pursued even less than an average woman because they can intimidate more men as well. Men are also more likely to settle down with a very attractive women and consider a relationship/long-term potential unless they date very attractive/desirable men with status who tend to have many options from women fawning over them - Women who are constantly being pursued by average or ugly men yet are average or semi-attractive themselves tend to believe they are more attractive then they really are, I suppose because they rely much more on that external validation to determine their attractiveness. I rate the self-confidence/esteem level still primarily low. However that doesn't exclude the former from feeling the same way, in fact I believe most women rely on external validation when it comes to their appearance which is why they get dolled up the way they do (a mans world creation of course)...and this necessarily doesn't come from men as men don't notice all the details, it's women...their competition that they dress up against. Women know men are stupid when it comes to details But this is also another reason why better looking men can have more success with women, because women who are with better looking men tend to feel more desirable themselves. Whereas with men arming an attractive woman is more of an ego boost but I wouldn't say necessarily lends to his self-confidence as If he's had one, he's probably had others. That would become his reality. So I would say mostly women underrate and overrate their level of attractiveness...It depends on whether they primarily rely on external validation for their confidence or they already attain a strong sense of self-worth and value...those women get the farthest IMO in terms of relationships regardless of attractiveness. 1
Bob_Funk Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 A lot of them seem to think they're special just because everything that moves is trying to bang them. What they fail to realize is most guys will sleep with anything under 50. Having boobs and a vag = automatic 5 point boost in looks.
pteromom Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I don't really put a lot of thought into my physical attractiveness. I wear clothes and shoes I like. I wear makeup and jewelry I like. I wear my hair the way I like. Some people will find that combination attractive, and others won't. No skin off my hide. Even if I think I am a 10 and I am really a 5, why would that matter to other people? If I want to go into the world feeling like a 10 every day, I will. I'll be cute and happy and fun and funny, and dance through life smiling. If someone else is thinking "Oh my gosh, why is that 40-something, average-looking woman acting like she's actually ATTRACTIVE?!?!?!", that doesn't affect me at all. They can think what they want, and I'll still be happy with myself.
Negative Nancy Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 That's because men have natural aesthetic beauty that does not need to be brought out with makeup. Not true. Men's makeup just simply is their wallet, car and bank account.
brahmabull117 Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 If someone else is thinking "Oh my gosh, why is that 40-something, average-looking woman acting like she's actually ATTRACTIVE?!?!?!". How dare you do that? Don't you realize that's a crime against humanity punishable by up to 30 years in prison? 3
Andy_K Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I don't think it's that women overrate their own looks - as has been pointed out many times, the vast majority of women are very insecure about their looks. Rather, it is that women underrate men's looks, certainly according to OkCupid anyway. So guys, it's not that the girls think they're too hot for you, it's that they think you're too ugly for them 1
MrNate 2.0 Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 Maybe I'm approaching this from the wrong angle but.. Aren't women supposed to look better than men?
USMCHokie Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 I don't think it's that women overrate their own looks - as has been pointed out many times, the vast majority of women are very insecure about their looks. Rather, it is that women underrate men's looks, certainly according to OkCupid anyway. So guys, it's not that the girls think they're too hot for you, it's that they think you're too ugly for them Interesting perspective, I would be inclined to agree. Like I said before, it's not necessarily the woman's actual beauty, but what that beauty cam get her, in terms of male attractiveness. It's almost like how they measure their attractiveness against other women...just another d*ck measuring contest...
William Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 Topic: Do Women vastly overrate their physical attractiveness? Moderator comment: Do some posters vastly overrate their immunity from infractions?
threebyfate Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 I dunno. Looking in the mirror, I don't look too shabby.
Woggle Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 I notice that the really attractive women tend to be insecure and the not so attractive women tend to really think they are model material.
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